Recruitment

[cochise]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

I don't really see the alternative though, I don't think the way the bulldogs is attacking it is going to lead to long term success and think they will be in the hole again in a couple of years.


I disagree to some extent. To get around the salary cap and succeed, you need:
- a solid core of first graders on standard money. Even better if they are on unders to stay with their mates and achieve success
- a small group of star players that add the spark, and produce performances that help everyone else in the side produce their best football
- a group of youngsters that you are exposing to first grade to see where they fit in
- when the first group start wanting to be paid in line with the 2nd, you move them on and replace them with the 3rd
- if the 3rd group do not show the required talent, you move them on and get new youngsters

Problems start to come when you need to pay players in the first group the equivalent of money in the 2nd group. We have fallen into this trap, see Packer, Mbye Reynolds etc

We do not have either of the first 2 groups. Our core first graders are either not up to it (Garner, JTJ etc) or massively overpaid (Brooks, Doueihi, Nofa). We don't have a single marquee player and are throwing under prepared kids to the wolves in a poor side.

We are not going to get the Marquee players until we start winning, we need to improve that group of core 1st grade players.

 

[tiger_one]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

I don't really see the alternative though, I don't think the way the bulldogs is attacking it is going to lead to long term success and think they will be in the hole again in a couple of years.


I disagree to some extent. To get around the salary cap and succeed, you need:
- a solid core of first graders on standard money. Even better if they are on unders to stay with their mates and achieve success
- a small group of star players that add the spark, and produce performances that help everyone else in the side produce their best football
- a group of youngsters that you are exposing to first grade to see where they fit in
- when the first group start wanting to be paid in line with the 2nd, you move them on and replace them with the 3rd
- if the 3rd group do not show the required talent, you move them on and get new youngsters

Problems start to come when you need to pay players in the first group the equivalent of money in the 2nd group. We have fallen into this trap, see Packer, Mbye Reynolds etc

We do not have either of the first 2 groups. Our core first graders are either not up to it (Garner, JTJ etc) or massively overpaid (Brooks, Doueihi, Nofa). We don't have a single marquee player and are throwing under prepared kids to the wolves in a poor side.

We are not going to get the Marquee players until we start winning, we need to improve that group of core 1st grade players.

Oh, that chicken or the egg thing .......

 

[cochise]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

I don't really see the alternative though, I don't think the way the bulldogs is attacking it is going to lead to long term success and think they will be in the hole again in a couple of years.


I disagree to some extent. To get around the salary cap and succeed, you need:
- a solid core of first graders on standard money. Even better if they are on unders to stay with their mates and achieve success
- a small group of star players that add the spark, and produce performances that help everyone else in the side produce their best football
- a group of youngsters that you are exposing to first grade to see where they fit in
- when the first group start wanting to be paid in line with the 2nd, you move them on and replace them with the 3rd
- if the 3rd group do not show the required talent, you move them on and get new youngsters

Problems start to come when you need to pay players in the first group the equivalent of money in the 2nd group. We have fallen into this trap, see Packer, Mbye Reynolds etc

We do not have either of the first 2 groups. Our core first graders are either not up to it (Garner, JTJ etc) or massively overpaid (Brooks, Doueihi, Nofa). We don't have a single marquee player and are throwing under prepared kids to the wolves in a poor side.

We are not going to get the Marquee players until we start winning, we need to improve that group of core 1st grade players.


Oh, that chicken or the egg thing .......

Pretty much mate. lol

 

[BAGNF05]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

I don't really see the alternative though, I don't think the way the bulldogs is attacking it is going to lead to long term success and think they will be in the hole again in a couple of years.


I disagree to some extent. To get around the salary cap and succeed, you need:
- a solid core of first graders on standard money. Even better if they are on unders to stay with their mates and achieve success
- a small group of star players that add the spark, and produce performances that help everyone else in the side produce their best football
- a group of youngsters that you are exposing to first grade to see where they fit in
- when the first group start wanting to be paid in line with the 2nd, you move them on and replace them with the 3rd
- if the 3rd group do not show the required talent, you move them on and get new youngsters

Problems start to come when you need to pay players in the first group the equivalent of money in the 2nd group. We have fallen into this trap, see Packer, Mbye Reynolds etc

We do not have either of the first 2 groups. Our core first graders are either not up to it (Garner, JTJ etc) or massively overpaid (Brooks, Doueihi, Nofa). We don't have a single marquee player and are throwing under prepared kids to the wolves in a poor side.

We are not going to get the Marquee players until we start winning, we need to improve that group of core 1st grade players.

Based on your formula Cochise the best players I can see available to us are Tepai Moeroa and Lachlan Fitzgibbon. Clubs don’t release that many guys in their prime unless they’re not really that great.

 

[851]

Given the fact that we are missing out on any player we target who as any kind of alternative offer means one of a number of possibilities:

1. Our valuations are not realistic. It's all very noble saying we won't pay overs but any player is worth what a given club is willing to pay him.

2. The people negotiating the contracts are doing a terrible job of selling the club. This can't be ignored when a club like the Bulldogs who have won a handful of games in the past three years are seen as a more attractive destination than us.

3. Players don't want to play for the coach. Again this is something which needs to be considered but Trent Barrett is hardly the next Craig Bellamy so I'm not sure why he would be a more attractive coach to work under than Madge.

Regardless of any of the above this is something the club can't ignore and the Tigers management can't shrug their shoulders and say oh well, on to the next one. This is a critical issue now which is seriously affecting our future prospects of success and if it's not being looked at closely by the club then the cycle of failure in these types of negotiations is likely to continue.

I would say a combination of all 3, but number 3 I think is a biggie

 

[PJ_]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

I don't really see the alternative though, I don't think the way the bulldogs is attacking it is going to lead to long term success and think they will be in the hole again in a couple of years.

Hope so

 

[cochise]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

I don't really see the alternative though, I don't think the way the bulldogs is attacking it is going to lead to long term success and think they will be in the hole again in a couple of years.

Hope so

We agree on that lol

 

[PJ_]

Recruitment does need a win though.
Lift our morale and give us some hope.

 

[BAGNF05]

Recruitment does need a win though.
Lift our morale and give us some hope.

At this stage if we just swapped Garner and got rid of mbye and BJ I’d be much more chipper

 

[PJ_]

At least the bucks won.

 

[cochise]

Recruitment does need a win though.
Lift our morale and give us some hope.

I would love a big signing, I really wanted TPJ.

 

[PJ_]

Recruitment does need a win though.
Lift our morale and give us some hope.

At this stage if we just swapped Garner and got rid of mbye and BJ I’d be much more chipper

Totally

 

[TheDaBoss]

Recruitment does need a win though.
Lift our morale and give us some hope.

At this stage if we just swapped Garner and got rid of mbye and BJ I’d be much more chipper

I dont know what garners problem is, he was improving rapidly the start of this year, after a dissapointing 2020, now he is meh

His form in 2019 was amazing

 

[PJ_]

Recruitment does need a win though.
Lift our morale and give us some hope.

I would love a big signing, I really wanted TPJ.

Yeah me too bro. We needed that aggression.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

Agree, for too many years we act like a fly without head.
We have no consistent direction how should we play, which type of players do we need, which players to buy...
If we cannot buy the most expensive players for whatever reason, we have to change our strategy and concentrate on what we can do.
The Storm has shown the way, and for some time we follow them, then we turn by 180 and chase players that do not even want to play for the WT.
For some reasons, we keep players that cannot get us anywhere (Nofoaluma, Mbye, Packer, Matulino) and at the same time don't even get a chance to younger players like Tuilagi, Simpkins, Dias, Cooper ..
We keep repeating this endlessly, justifying it (they are too young etc.) But the only way to find out if any of those players is a keeper, is to give them chances, not just one game - how many games we given Nofoaluma, Mbye, Packer to realise that they are not for us.
If we know that:
- we need good defensive players;
- we need several aggressive forwards;
- we need tall, fast wingers;
- we need faster play the ball;
- we need faster defence line;
But what we do? We just want any player, if he is more expensive, the more we need him??
"if you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there".

 

[PJ_]

Recruitment does need a win though.
Lift our morale and give us some hope.

At this stage if we just swapped Garner and got rid of mbye and BJ I’d be much more chipper

I dont know what garners problem is, he was improving rapidly the start of this year, after a dissapointing 2020, now he is meh

His form in 2019 was amazing

Yeah bro. Thought he was coming good and now seems to be going downhill.

 

[BAGNF05]

Recruitment does need a win though.
Lift our morale and give us some hope.

At this stage if we just swapped Garner and got rid of mbye and BJ I’d be much more chipper

I dont know what garners problem is, he was improving rapidly the start of this year, after a dissapointing 2020, now he is meh

His form in 2019 was amazing

Mentality. To me he doesn’t have the mongrel in him to play back row. Probably a nice guy but needs to be nice like Jake Turbo is, but go mental on the field.

 

[BAGNF05]

Recruitment does need a win though.
Lift our morale and give us some hope.

At this stage if we just swapped Garner and got rid of mbye and BJ I’d be much more chipper

I dont know what garners problem is, he was improving rapidly the start of this year, after a dissapointing 2020, now he is meh

His form in 2019 was amazing

Yeah bro. Thought he was coming good and now seems to be going downhill.

Runs a beautiful line when on the front foot. That’s all he’s got though.

 

[Geo]

What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

 

[pedrolaurie]

What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

We have the youngest team we've had in ages. So much talent and potential.