Recruitment

@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422581) said:
What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

Great post geo
 
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422581) said:
What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

lol.

You make it sound like this was part of the master plan.

Wests have been scooping up all the plodders they can for the last 4 seasons, on top of that they publicly approached and been rejected by several marque players. On top of that, they have ( for a range of reasons) lost juniors that are now superstars.

Junior pathways are now only being discussed because its literally the clubs only option.
 
@tigerbalm said in [Recruitment](/post/1422598) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422581) said:
What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

lol.

You make it sound like this was part of the master plan.

Wests have been scooping up all the plodders they can for the last 4 seasons, on top of that they publicly approached and been rejected by several marque players. On top of that, they have ( for a range of reasons) lost juniors that are now superstars.

Junior pathways are now only being discussed because its literally the clubs only option.

And it failed back in 2016 when we lost our last talented crop. Club needs to identify its weaknesses and fix them rather than blame shifting.
 
@tigerbalm said in [Recruitment](/post/1422598) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422581) said:
What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

lol.

You make it sound like this was part of the master plan.

Wests have been scooping up all the plodders they can for the last 4 seasons, on top of that they publicly approached and been rejected by several marque players. On top of that, they have ( for a range of reasons) lost juniors that are now superstars.

Junior pathways are now only being discussed because its literally the clubs only option.

You haven't heard Hartigan speak?
 
@bagnf05 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422601) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Recruitment](/post/1422598) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422581) said:
What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

lol.

You make it sound like this was part of the master plan.

Wests have been scooping up all the plodders they can for the last 4 seasons, on top of that they publicly approached and been rejected by several marque players. On top of that, they have ( for a range of reasons) lost juniors that are now superstars.

Junior pathways are now only being discussed because its literally the clubs only option.

And it failed back in 2016 when we lost our last talented crop. Club needs to identify its weaknesses and fix them rather than blame shifting.

Aren't they doing that with the appointment of Tim Sheens, Brett Kimmorely, Indigenous programs, cap management..
 
@bagnf05 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422601) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Recruitment](/post/1422598) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422581) said:
What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

lol.

You make it sound like this was part of the master plan.

Wests have been scooping up all the plodders they can for the last 4 seasons, on top of that they publicly approached and been rejected by several marque players. On top of that, they have ( for a range of reasons) lost juniors that are now superstars.

Junior pathways are now only being discussed because its literally the clubs only option.

And it failed back in 2016 when we lost our last talented crop. Club needs to identify its weaknesses and fix them rather than blame shifting.

There has been a lot of change in the club since 2016
 
They're doing everything right bar signing big name experienced players. They're setting up good pathways, putting the right people in development pathways, investing in indigenous programs and signing some talented young players

Issue is missing out on big name players. We need to sign more players in the 100-150 game mark who are genuine good first graders.
 
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422605) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422601) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Recruitment](/post/1422598) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422581) said:
What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

lol.

You make it sound like this was part of the master plan.

Wests have been scooping up all the plodders they can for the last 4 seasons, on top of that they publicly approached and been rejected by several marque players. On top of that, they have ( for a range of reasons) lost juniors that are now superstars.

Junior pathways are now only being discussed because its literally the clubs only option.

And it failed back in 2016 when we lost our last talented crop. Club needs to identify its weaknesses and fix them rather than blame shifting.

Aren't they doing that with the appointment of Tim Sheens, Brett Kimmorely, Indigenous programs, cap management..

Who are they replacing? Seems we’re just throwing more money at different stuff to me.
 
Obviously the club moved in a different direction again with the Pangai Junior deal. Does anyone have an idea what direction that is?
 
@jc99 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422608) said:
They're doing everything right bar signing big name experienced players. They're setting up good pathways, putting the right people in development pathways, investing in indigenous programs and signing some talented young players

Issue is missing out on big name players. We need to sign more players in the 100-150 game mark who are genuine good first graders.

Hoorah, let’s get Lachlan Fitzgibbon that’ll bring the crowds back. Club needs to grow a set.
 
@jc99 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422608) said:
They're doing everything right bar signing big name experienced players. They're setting up good pathways, putting the right people in development pathways, investing in indigenous programs and signing some talented young players

Issue is missing out on big name players. We need to sign more players in the 100-150 game mark who are genuine good first graders.

Good post mate and I agree that is where we should be looking.
 
@iwasright said in [Recruitment](/post/1422299) said:
This is how bad we are going with recruitment. I can tell you TPJ’S manager is very very close with a high Wests Tigers member and we still couldn’t get the signing done. This has officially confirmed that we are really struggling to bring high profile players to the club

Anyone with a name Iwasright should'nt have any way to start new topics.
 
@bagnf05 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422613) said:
@jc99 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422608) said:
They're doing everything right bar signing big name experienced players. They're setting up good pathways, putting the right people in development pathways, investing in indigenous programs and signing some talented young players

Issue is missing out on big name players. We need to sign more players in the 100-150 game mark who are genuine good first graders.

Hoorah, let’s get Lachlan Fitzgibbon that’ll bring the crowds back. Club needs to grow a set.

The club needs to stop publicly talking about targets. End of the day they've got no one to blame but themselves for not being able to sign current first grade quality players and that won't change until we can make finals and win games
 
@twentyforty said in [Recruitment](/post/1422612) said:
Obviously the club moved in a different direction again with the Pangai Junior deal. Does anyone have an idea what direction that is?

We can’t sign really really good players so now we just have to find some really really average players. I think that’s the plan 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
@bagnf05 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422609) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422605) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422601) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Recruitment](/post/1422598) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422581) said:
What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

lol.

You make it sound like this was part of the master plan.

Wests have been scooping up all the plodders they can for the last 4 seasons, on top of that they publicly approached and been rejected by several marque players. On top of that, they have ( for a range of reasons) lost juniors that are now superstars.

Junior pathways are now only being discussed because its literally the clubs only option.

And it failed back in 2016 when we lost our last talented crop. Club needs to identify its weaknesses and fix them rather than blame shifting.

Aren't they doing that with the appointment of Tim Sheens, Brett Kimmorely, Indigenous programs, cap management..

Who are they replacing? Seems we’re just throwing more money at different stuff to me.

We have identified we are having trouble progressing juniors to NRL players so we are investing in that area for that reason. Kimmorley has gone into the role Brett Hodgson was going to fill.
 
@jc99 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422617) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422613) said:
@jc99 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422608) said:
They're doing everything right bar signing big name experienced players. They're setting up good pathways, putting the right people in development pathways, investing in indigenous programs and signing some talented young players

Issue is missing out on big name players. We need to sign more players in the 100-150 game mark who are genuine good first graders.

Hoorah, let’s get Lachlan Fitzgibbon that’ll bring the crowds back. Club needs to grow a set.

The club needs to stop publicly talking about targets. End of the day they've got no one to blame but themselves for not being able to sign current first grade quality players and that won't change until we can make finals and win games

Whatever they’re doing in negotiations worries me more than the PR.
 
@bagnf05 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422618) said:
@twentyforty said in [Recruitment](/post/1422612) said:
Obviously the club moved in a different direction again with the Pangai Junior deal. Does anyone have an idea what direction that is?

We can’t sign really really good players so now we just have to find some really really average players. I think that’s the plan ??‍♂️

Well no, they're signing talented rookies who are stuck behind more established players like Doueihi, Stefano and Laurie. I wish we could sign really good players straight up but it doesn't seem likely
 
@cochise said in [Recruitment](/post/1422604) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Recruitment](/post/1422598) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422581) said:
What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

lol.

You make it sound like this was part of the master plan.

Wests have been scooping up all the plodders they can for the last 4 seasons, on top of that they publicly approached and been rejected by several marque players. On top of that, they have ( for a range of reasons) lost juniors that are now superstars.

Junior pathways are now only being discussed because its literally the clubs only option.

You haven't heard Hartigan speak?


Not sure what that means? I've seen lots of people at Wests talking about plans and futures. Talk. Just that.

I might be confusing things here. My point, developing a Jr pathways has now become a necessity for the club to produce players. I also don't think the club has much faith in it given they were going to offer a big contract to TPJ who is hit an miss on any given day.

It's just spin from a organisation that has run out of answers.
 

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