Recruitment

@facepalmer said in [Recruitment](/post/1423129) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422881) said:
@facepalmer said in [Recruitment](/post/1422875) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422869) said:
@pj said in [Recruitment](/post/1422857) said:
@geo said in [Recruitment](/post/1422581) said:
What makes everyone so sure that the current roster will play for a different coach...

Shouldn't they want to play for personal performance and some pride in the jersey they put on..

Sure the Dogs recruitment has been out of this world on paper as was the Knights a few year back..it's got them nowhere really..basically they went away from junior development to trying to buy success..hasn't really worked out yet..doesn't look like it's going too

It's yet to be seen if it does at the Dogs..could work..could flop massively..

Building from within does produce results if done properly.. You develop Jake Simpkin to be our Harry Grant, Stefano Utoikamanu to be our Payne Hass, Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangia Jnr and so on.. Sure that doesn't mean if quality becomes available you don't have a crack or even pay overs if they are exceptional quality Brandon Smith like..

Buying comps has never been as successful as building them..

Our club is great at finding and developing promising juniors. Unfortunately we are terrible at retaining them

Tim Sheens didn't have that issue in retaining them... We were only terrible through the Potter/Taylor/Voldamort years..

That needs to change clearly they are putting measures in place to rectify those shortfalls..

Here's an analogy.

You are the best at what you do. You win industry awards. But the company doesn't grow and you can't grow because of it. You look around you and your managers are dinosaurs or idiots with bad reputations. Suddenly GOOGLE sends you a message on LinkedIn. "We want you and will make you the highest paid employee in your entire industry".

Do you leave or stay?

How many times in the Sheens era did we hear Farah and Benji state they stayed for less than they could have got elsewhere.. yes it turned sour at the end..mainly because Sheens wanted to refresh the boys Club ..The downhill slide really began and the Wests Tigers have never recovered..

If you believe in what you are doing you stay and make your mark but that's me..

Farah and Benji stayed because they were paid a TON, massive overs, backloaded overs and we did that because we had a wide open premiership window between 2010 and 2012.

The main reason it turned sour is because we sacked Sheens after a single down year that mostly caused by injuries when in reality if you look at the Roosters (and ignore Melbourne), single down years when you have backloaded stars are a given eventually anyway. We chose to listen to the players and sacked Sheens whose long term plan to build us into a consistent contending team had actually just started to work (even though he was no doubt unusual and frustrating at times).

You will never stay at an organisation you don't believe in, on unders. You may stay for massive overs. An exception would be if you were on the back nine and cared more about stability and security, didn't believe you had much else to accomplish etc.

Interesting. I worked with a first cousin of one of our unsung heroes. We were discussing how the tigers were fitting everyone in year 2010 after having Fulton come back from the Uk and and just added Lote from rugby union.
According to him his cousin was severely underpaid in comparison to Robbie and Benji. Which is to be expected but yeah it wasn’t long after until it was revealed we were crippled by Gibbs salary and Benji had a 2 year upgrade tacked on to a further 2 year extension. Which the new CEO didn’t want to honour.
Let’s also not forget in 2012 Sheens was shopping himself around to a couple of clubs.
We almost lost him to Penrith but instead upped whatever was needed to resign him for 3 more years.
 
@iwasright said in [Recruitment](/post/1422315) said:
I bet anyone that come next year everyone will be eating their words. TPJ is worth every cent and we could have started to build around him

Yeah giving away 3 penalties a game, having a nutoriously bad attitude, breaching covid protocols and only showing up to 1 in 5 games is worth 950k..
 
Not fussed on missing TPJ. Massive gamble anyway.

Dogs next year will have talent but a bad culture, will be interesting to see how they go..
 
@iwasright said in [Recruitment](/post/1422299) said:
This is how bad we are going with recruitment. I can tell you TPJ’S manager is very very close with a high Wests Tigers member and we still couldn’t get the signing done. This has officially confirmed that we are really struggling to bring high profile players to the club

You have to question, why? We all have opinions on this, but I would love for Latrell Mitchell, JAC, Jai Arrow, TPJ, Dale Finucane, Kurt Capewell.......to honestly answer why they ruled out coming to the Tigers. Identify the 'why' and then move on or fix the 'why'.
 
@krammy said in [Recruitment](/post/1423382) said:
@iwasright said in [Recruitment](/post/1422299) said:
This is how bad we are going with recruitment. I can tell you TPJ’S manager is very very close with a high Wests Tigers member and we still couldn’t get the signing done. This has officially confirmed that we are really struggling to bring high profile players to the club

You have to question, why? We all have opinions on this, but I would love for Latrell Mitchell, JAC, Jai Arrow, TPJ, Dale Finucane, Kurt Capewell.......to honestly answer why they ruled out coming to the Tigers. Identify the 'why' and then move on or fix the 'why'.

Further to this, if I was Sheens I would actually get in contact with these players who rejected us and find out the 'why'.
 
@milky said in [Recruitment](/post/1423355) said:
Not fussed on missing TPJ. Massive gamble anyway.

Dogs next year will have talent but a bad culture, will be interesting to see how they go..

Why will they have a bad culture?
 
@tigerballs said in [Recruitment](/post/1423231) said:
@russell said in [Recruitment](/post/1423137) said:
@watersider said in [Recruitment](/post/1422889) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422728) said:
@kiwitiger said in [Recruitment](/post/1422724) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422716) said:
@jc99 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422662) said:
@aturkey said in [Recruitment](/post/1422659) said:
@garryowen said in [Recruitment](/post/1422635) said:
The recruitment has been a bit of a shambles for almost the whole existence of the club tbh. We had a couple of good crops that wielded results, but even then we've only had three finals series (albeit we won a comp and could/should have won another).

Since 2011 the club has gone from panic move to panic move, resulting in lots of failed short term moves. Who can forget old mate Grant Mayer speculating that we'd make a GF in the mid 2010s?

I am a bit more confident in the club's direction over the last year or two. We've made some shrewd buys for the first time in a while, and some very promising youngsters on top of that. There have still been mis-steps (e.g. BJ) but I can at least see what we're building towards now. Hopefully we continue along that route in picking up these young guys and developing them into frontline FGers.

Of course, we'll still need to recruit elite players on top of that. The COE should help - I can't imagine the current/past facilities have sold the club very well.
But it's the old conundrum: you can't sign elite players until you have an elite team. And you can't have an elite team until you have elite players.

There is so much denial in this forum. This comment is a great example.

How have the Bulldogs signed Addo Carr, Tevita, and Burton then?

They do not have an elite team. What about the Titans signing Tino and Fifita? Did they have an elite team?

There are more factors at play here. Our location, our lack of success (3 finals in 21 years), our inability to locate and keep talent, our disregard of campbelltown, a lack of identity etc etc etc

If I was an NRL player right now, with my love of the Tigers, and had an option of the Tigers or any one else, I would not go to this club.

Tigers are the last Sydney club you'd choose. No home ground, no identity, it's not prime area to live, there's really nothing much there to attract people off the field let alone our decade of failure and drama. This is why we need to win games and make finals because we are behind other clubs in those other areas.

The inner west is a highly desirable area in which to live. Balmain, Glebe, Leichhardt, Ashfield and Strathfield just to name a few good suburbs.

But you don't have to live where you play, not since the 70's so it doesn't matter?

There are those who live in Balmain and those who wish they could.

Used to be true. I loved Balmain growing up, envied the Wayne Pearce story more than anything. But I walk around now and don't really like the place. I was there last week and I thought how I was sort of glad we merged with wests because at least we're geographically connected to a community I'm proud the club represents. That's not Balmain anymore. Beautiful by the water and all, but the bankers and lawyers and marketing people are turning the suburb into double bay with their spiffy renovations and audis. Place has lost its character.

I grew up in Balmain and loved every second of it, when asked at the time, where you lived, you said Balmain, the reply would be "Oh! from the slums eh!"

Have been back quite a few times over the years and watched it deteriorate at an alarming rate. that is to say after the "Trendies" moved in, now the "Wankers" and "Would be's if they could be's."

I return even less now - most of the people who live there now are pretty much selfish, for themselves types, very few Tigers supporters in the area.

If you were in trouble in the old days, people would come from everywhere to help - now they would leave you on the footpath bleeding and go home to sit on their verandah and drink their Chardonnay.

How the mighty suburb has fallen.

Take it easy Russell, I was born in Balmain hospital and still live there now. It's still a great place to live but you are on the money about the trendies and the wankers. I suppose a bonus is I don't have to fight my way out of the Bald Rock or the Unity Hotel any more. That said, when the Tigers were going well in the Sheens years, the buzz around when they were playing at Leichhardt was unbelievable. The streets were full of Black and Gold and everyone was keen to go to the games. Even the trendies and wankers love the Tigers!

Every club has fair weather fans and in every suburb you will find wankers whether they are rich or poor.
 
@gnr4life said in [Recruitment](/post/1423389) said:
@milky said in [Recruitment](/post/1423355) said:
Not fussed on missing TPJ. Massive gamble anyway.

Dogs next year will have talent but a bad culture, will be interesting to see how they go..

Why will they have a bad culture?

Their signings don’t exactly have a history of complying with rules off the field and on the field…
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Recruitment](/post/1423185) said:
@russell said in [Recruitment](/post/1423137) said:
@watersider said in [Recruitment](/post/1422889) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422728) said:
@kiwitiger said in [Recruitment](/post/1422724) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422716) said:
@jc99 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422662) said:
@aturkey said in [Recruitment](/post/1422659) said:
@garryowen said in [Recruitment](/post/1422635) said:
The recruitment has been a bit of a shambles for almost the whole existence of the club tbh. We had a couple of good crops that wielded results, but even then we've only had three finals series (albeit we won a comp and could/should have won another).

Since 2011 the club has gone from panic move to panic move, resulting in lots of failed short term moves. Who can forget old mate Grant Mayer speculating that we'd make a GF in the mid 2010s?

I am a bit more confident in the club's direction over the last year or two. We've made some shrewd buys for the first time in a while, and some very promising youngsters on top of that. There have still been mis-steps (e.g. BJ) but I can at least see what we're building towards now. Hopefully we continue along that route in picking up these young guys and developing them into frontline FGers.

Of course, we'll still need to recruit elite players on top of that. The COE should help - I can't imagine the current/past facilities have sold the club very well.
But it's the old conundrum: you can't sign elite players until you have an elite team. And you can't have an elite team until you have elite players.

There is so much denial in this forum. This comment is a great example.

How have the Bulldogs signed Addo Carr, Tevita, and Burton then?

They do not have an elite team. What about the Titans signing Tino and Fifita? Did they have an elite team?

There are more factors at play here. Our location, our lack of success (3 finals in 21 years), our inability to locate and keep talent, our disregard of campbelltown, a lack of identity etc etc etc

If I was an NRL player right now, with my love of the Tigers, and had an option of the Tigers or any one else, I would not go to this club.

Tigers are the last Sydney club you'd choose. No home ground, no identity, it's not prime area to live, there's really nothing much there to attract people off the field let alone our decade of failure and drama. This is why we need to win games and make finals because we are behind other clubs in those other areas.

The inner west is a highly desirable area in which to live. Balmain, Glebe, Leichhardt, Ashfield and Strathfield just to name a few good suburbs.

But you don't have to live where you play, not since the 70's so it doesn't matter?

There are those who live in Balmain and those who wish they could.

Used to be true. I loved Balmain growing up, envied the Wayne Pearce story more than anything. But I walk around now and don't really like the place. I was there last week and I thought how I was sort of glad we merged with wests because at least we're geographically connected to a community I'm proud the club represents. That's not Balmain anymore. Beautiful by the water and all, but the bankers and lawyers and marketing people are turning the suburb into double bay with their spiffy renovations and audis. Place has lost its character.

I grew up in Balmain and loved every second of it, when asked at the time, where you lived, you said Balmain, the reply would be "Oh! from the slums eh!"

Have been back quite a few times over the years and watched it deteriorate at an alarming rate. that is to say after the "Trendies" moved in, now the "Wankers" and "Would be's if they could be's."

I return even less now - most of the people who live there now are pretty much selfish, for themselves types, very few Tigers supporters in the area.

If you were in trouble in the old days, people would come from everywhere to help - now they would leave you on the footpath bleeding and go home to sit on their verandah and drink their Chardonnay.

How the mighty suburb has fallen.

A mate of mine lives about 40-50 steps from the Mary St gate. He loves the club. Just because it's an affluent area, doesn't mean people don't follow the club.

That's not what I was saying. The Mary Street gate is not Balmain. Neither is Rozelle, although they like to think they are.
 
@russell said in [Recruitment](/post/1423687) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Recruitment](/post/1423185) said:
@russell said in [Recruitment](/post/1423137) said:
@watersider said in [Recruitment](/post/1422889) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422728) said:
@kiwitiger said in [Recruitment](/post/1422724) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422716) said:
@jc99 said in [Recruitment](/post/1422662) said:
@aturkey said in [Recruitment](/post/1422659) said:
@garryowen said in [Recruitment](/post/1422635) said:
The recruitment has been a bit of a shambles for almost the whole existence of the club tbh. We had a couple of good crops that wielded results, but even then we've only had three finals series (albeit we won a comp and could/should have won another).

Since 2011 the club has gone from panic move to panic move, resulting in lots of failed short term moves. Who can forget old mate Grant Mayer speculating that we'd make a GF in the mid 2010s?

I am a bit more confident in the club's direction over the last year or two. We've made some shrewd buys for the first time in a while, and some very promising youngsters on top of that. There have still been mis-steps (e.g. BJ) but I can at least see what we're building towards now. Hopefully we continue along that route in picking up these young guys and developing them into frontline FGers.

Of course, we'll still need to recruit elite players on top of that. The COE should help - I can't imagine the current/past facilities have sold the club very well.
But it's the old conundrum: you can't sign elite players until you have an elite team. And you can't have an elite team until you have elite players.

There is so much denial in this forum. This comment is a great example.

How have the Bulldogs signed Addo Carr, Tevita, and Burton then?

They do not have an elite team. What about the Titans signing Tino and Fifita? Did they have an elite team?

There are more factors at play here. Our location, our lack of success (3 finals in 21 years), our inability to locate and keep talent, our disregard of campbelltown, a lack of identity etc etc etc

If I was an NRL player right now, with my love of the Tigers, and had an option of the Tigers or any one else, I would not go to this club.

Tigers are the last Sydney club you'd choose. No home ground, no identity, it's not prime area to live, there's really nothing much there to attract people off the field let alone our decade of failure and drama. This is why we need to win games and make finals because we are behind other clubs in those other areas.

The inner west is a highly desirable area in which to live. Balmain, Glebe, Leichhardt, Ashfield and Strathfield just to name a few good suburbs.

But you don't have to live where you play, not since the 70's so it doesn't matter?

There are those who live in Balmain and those who wish they could.

Used to be true. I loved Balmain growing up, envied the Wayne Pearce story more than anything. But I walk around now and don't really like the place. I was there last week and I thought how I was sort of glad we merged with wests because at least we're geographically connected to a community I'm proud the club represents. That's not Balmain anymore. Beautiful by the water and all, but the bankers and lawyers and marketing people are turning the suburb into double bay with their spiffy renovations and audis. Place has lost its character.

I grew up in Balmain and loved every second of it, when asked at the time, where you lived, you said Balmain, the reply would be "Oh! from the slums eh!"

Have been back quite a few times over the years and watched it deteriorate at an alarming rate. that is to say after the "Trendies" moved in, now the "Wankers" and "Would be's if they could be's."

I return even less now - most of the people who live there now are pretty much selfish, for themselves types, very few Tigers supporters in the area.

If you were in trouble in the old days, people would come from everywhere to help - now they would leave you on the footpath bleeding and go home to sit on their verandah and drink their Chardonnay.

How the mighty suburb has fallen.

A mate of mine lives about 40-50 steps from the Mary St gate. He loves the club. Just because it's an affluent area, doesn't mean people don't follow the club.

That's not what I was saying. The Mary Street gate is not Balmain. Neither is Rozelle, although they like to think they are.

The whole are is pretty well off, Lilyfield to Rozelle.
 
@milky said in [Recruitment](/post/1423675) said:
@gnr4life said in [Recruitment](/post/1423389) said:
@milky said in [Recruitment](/post/1423355) said:
Not fussed on missing TPJ. Massive gamble anyway.

Dogs next year will have talent but a bad culture, will be interesting to see how they go..

Why will they have a bad culture?

Their signings don’t exactly have a history of complying with rules off the field and on the field…

Right, so that automatically means they are going to have a bad culture. The words grapes and sour come to mind,
 
@gnr4life said in [Recruitment](/post/1423719) said:
@milky said in [Recruitment](/post/1423675) said:
@gnr4life said in [Recruitment](/post/1423389) said:
@milky said in [Recruitment](/post/1423355) said:
Not fussed on missing TPJ. Massive gamble anyway.

Dogs next year will have talent but a bad culture, will be interesting to see how they go..

Why will they have a bad culture?

Their signings don’t exactly have a history of complying with rules off the field and on the field…

Right, so that automatically means they are going to have a bad culture. The words grapes and sour come to mind,

Who triggered you?

Their signings aren’t good for their culture, it is what it is…
 
@milky said in [Recruitment](/post/1423985) said:
@gnr4life said in [Recruitment](/post/1423719) said:
@milky said in [Recruitment](/post/1423675) said:
@gnr4life said in [Recruitment](/post/1423389) said:
@milky said in [Recruitment](/post/1423355) said:
Not fussed on missing TPJ. Massive gamble anyway.

Dogs next year will have talent but a bad culture, will be interesting to see how they go..

Why will they have a bad culture?

Their signings don’t exactly have a history of complying with rules off the field and on the field…

Right, so that automatically means they are going to have a bad culture. The words grapes and sour come to mind,

Who triggered you?

Their signings aren’t good for their culture, it is what it is…

Spare me stupid buzz words. You’re assuming they will have a toxic culture all because of a few bad apples in the past. It’s like when some have tried to justify us not spending money on marquee players because it backfired under Cleary. But at the end of the day, I know whose squad is looking stronger for next season.
 
Dogs and us have gone polar opposites in recruitment. They have (again) recruited short term, and we signed their juniors.

Personally, I like the junior focus we have, as long as we retain the right ones, we are on the right track. We tried, and failed, at the short term view. I don't think we really committed though. Average signings, Dogs did that better for next year

Gus and Sheens are good signings by both. Our play at indigenous players is both brilliant and inspired. Hope it pays off long term.

With Sheens here our junior retention should be good, just needs to stay on track. Hopefully Hartigan has a retain/whatever list and Sheens can add to it .

If we had a great relationship with one of the teams up in Tamworth, or the comp up there, it would be unreal. Country kids add so much to a team, different mindset.

My biggest gripe with recruitment is more about how we fail to get players off contracts. If Packer was at any other club he would have been gone by now. Other clubs just say "you are not here next year" and they go. No idea how it happens, maybe they work with agents better, I have no idea but its a serious issue that we have had for a long time.
 

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