Referendum 2023

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They should plan to help them out without us. They have the tools. Money and power. Im just hoping it doesn't get too hot in this shack im living in. Gets unbearable. And gets more unbearable if I turn the a/c on anticipating a big bill just to stay alive.
 
Tim Sheens said:
Trouble is the vast majority of vote no promoters don't trade in facts.

The vote is for recognition of indigenous Australians in the constitution and an advisory voice to parliament.

Nothing more, nothing less, and anyone pretending otherwise is either a liar, or has been fooled by liars.
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What, specifically, do you mean by recognition in the constitution?

Are you referring to a specific passage that outlines that indigenous Australians were the first inhabitants of this land? Or are you referring to a Voice to Parliament being a form of recognition in and of itself?

This word has been prevalent, but I'm yet to hear exactly what people mean by it in this context.
 
AmericanHistoryX said:
They should plan to help them out without us. They have the tools. Money and power. Im just hoping it doesn't get too hot in this shack im living in. Gets unbearable. And gets more unbearable if I turn the a/c on anticipating a big bill just to stay alive.
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Sucks for everyone mate. Hang in there! every1
doing it tough at the moment - the storm shall
pass. Can't help to think that we've treated China
with complete disdain and are shooting ourselves
in the foot by treating our neighbours as a pariah.
Our traditional bedfellows in Europe and in
America are dangerous & unreliable partners.
We're shifting to a multi-polared world and the
west are shitting their collective beds about it.
 
Kaito said:
Sucks for everyone mate. Hang in there! every1
doing it tough at the moment - the storm shall
pass. Can't help to think that we've treated China
with complete disdain and are shooting ourselves
in the foot by treating our neighbours as a pariah.
Our traditional bedfellows in Europe and in
America are dangerous & unreliable partners.
We're shifting to a multi-polared world and the
west are shitting their collective beds about it.
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Well said brother
 
earl said:
This comment is ridiculous when it comes to me. I think I understand the whole thing really well.



I've thought about it in detail.

Indigenous people have put this forward for themselves.

I have no idea who the hard left are but I like them a lot more than the alt-right.

I'll add that when people use the word activists as some sort of put down it sounds really stupid to me. It's like when people say the word woke. It comes across as not having the ability to make a coherent rational argument.

If anyone can make a logical rational argument I'm happy to listen but at this stage I haven't heard a logical rational reason to vote no. I just haven't.

The one logical response is that this should have been done via parliament and not through the constitution but that is only because I and I bet a lot of other people are sick of hearing about this issue.
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I fully understand. A person who prefers to listen with their heart is easily persuaded. Those who listen with their heart do so with a wealth of personal experience and may not need very much information before making a decision.
OTOH, those who make a choice based on logic have an open mind and need facts before a decision is made.
 
we don’t even know who will be on the board or CEO of the Wests Tigers and they want to inconvenience us by voting.
This government needs to get its priorities right.
 
Kaito said:
I didn't even vote last election and I probably
won't again in the referendum. I'm kind of over
it and want to leave it to others to scrap it out.
The focus and point of this referendum has
been masterfully distorted & lost on the good
people of Australia. It's genuinely unfortunate.
After being obliterated in the elections the LNP
are doing their best to scrape back some form
of respectability after a disastrous 10 years.
By doing they do best - making it a political game.
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I will be voting no, but I respect people that are voting yes. I understand their motives and for the most part, for most people, I agree with the sentiment they are expressing. If you genuinely feel the way you say you feel here, why the hell wouldnt you vote?

Kaito said:
A point that seems to be missed or ignored by
a lot of no voters I've noticed. The hard left = hippies
/queers/climate & race activists vs hard-right,
nazis/racists/capitalists/conspiracy theorists.
it's obviously not that black & white but you get
the point anyway. This whole voice vote turned
from, "let's help our first nations & build our nation",
to "not enough info", to dissemination of false
info, to the inconceivable idea that "this is racist",
to "it costs so much & is a logistical nightmare".
Really makes you wonder sometimes anyway.
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Can you point to actual posts here where people have made those claims? I have seen the yes vote say that that is what no voters are saying but I havent actually seen that expressed here. Personally I have been infuriated because my concerns with the referendum are very specific procedural issues that have zero to do with race or ideology.


Kaito said:
The hide to say yes voters dont understand or
are too emotional is preposterous & morally
wrong. The throwing around of words like
apartheid, socialism & communism make me
sick.
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I have said in this thread that (certain) Yes voters dont understand what they are voting for. Let me explain why I have said that....paraphrasing heavily...

Yes Voter: Im voting Yes because I want to improve the standard of living for indigenous people and "close the gap".

Me: No worries I understand and agree with that, but what about these unintended consequences that will come about from enshrining this in the Constitution?

Yes Voter: Im voting Yes because I want to improve the standard of living for indigenous people and "close the gap".

Me: Ok you dont understand what you are voting for.
 
Mistymuzzle said:
Can you point to actual posts here where people have made those claims? I have seen the yes vote say that that is what no voters are saying but I havent actually seen that expressed here. Personally I have been infuriated because my concerns with the referendum are very specific procedural issues that have zero to do with race or ideology.
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Not by you, certainly not. You've been one of the
most balanced, well informed & articulate posters
on this thread. Genuinely appreciate and learnt
a bit from yourself & Tucker, some great posts.
I should probably avoid generalised so much.
Just needed 2 have a rant, I'm all good now lol
 
Rich man wins.
Kaito said:
Not by you, certainly not. You've been one of the
most balanced, well informed & articulate posters
on this thread. Genuinely appreciate and learnt
a bit from yourself & Tucker, some great posts.
I should probably avoid generalised so much.
Just needed 2 have a rant, I'm all good now lol
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You too Kaito. Beautiful human. Thank You for having an open mind.
 
Mistymuzzle said:
I will be voting no, but I respect people that are voting yes. I understand their motives and for the most part, for most people, I agree with the sentiment they are expressing. If you genuinely feel the way you say you feel here, why the hell wouldnt you vote?
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I know it's a cop-out but I'm still registered at
my old address in Double Bay. The whole thing
has been a bit acrimonious & draining TBH
 
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