Reynolds back to Bulldogs?

[JC99]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

Thats a fair point when he played in the halves he was ok without being great but when he went to FB he changed from Tim to Timid because he wasnt suited to what a FB should be doing

100%, he was terrible at fullback, he wasn't a great halfback by any stretch of the imagination but he wasn't played to his strengths, we have had a number of players over the years who have been played out of position and it has lead to them being harshly judged by the fanbase. Morris and Lawrance are 2 other examples.

Sheensy loved putting blokes out of position ?

 

[cochise]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

Thats a fair point when he played in the halves he was ok without being great but when he went to FB he changed from Tim to Timid because he wasnt suited to what a FB should be doing

100%, he was terrible at fullback, he wasn't a great halfback by any stretch of the imagination but he wasn't played to his strengths, we have had a number of players over the years who have been played out of position and it has lead to them being harshly judged by the fanbase. Morris and Lawrance are 2 other examples.

Sheensy loved putting blokes out of position ?

Didn't he. He really couldn't move on from what worked in 2005, even after the game changed to prevent that style of play.

 

[Furious1]

I hope JR gets back there. It's where he belongs. I agree he has been poor value as a player, it's just been unfortunate the way the injuries played out. ( Not that i EVER thought he was worth the coin we payed him).

As for Moltz, i despised his attempts in defence and lack of willingness to attack bombs. But i have said it before and will again. You do not make first grade in Rugby League without being courageous, it's just degrees of courage amongst other players that make you look bad.

 

[jadtiger]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

Thats a fair point when he played in the halves he was ok without being great but when he went to FB he changed from Tim to Timid because he wasnt suited to what a FB should be doing

100%, he was terrible at fullback, he wasn't a great halfback by any stretch of the imagination but he wasn't played to his strengths, we have had a number of players over the years who have been played out of position and it has lead to them being harshly judged by the fanbase. Morris and Lawrance are 2 other examples.

Sheensy loved putting blokes out of position ?

He used to love putting back row forwards into prop which always failed miserably.Sheens did many good things for our club but was probably there for about 4-5 seasons to long.The game evolved but he didnt

 

[cochise]

I hope JR gets back there. It's where he belongs. I agree he has been poor value as a player, it's just been unfortunate the way the injuries played out. ( Not that i EVER thought he was worth the coin we payed him).

As for Moltz, i despised his attempts in defence and lack of willingness to attack bombs. But i have said it before and will again. You do not make first grade in Rugby League without being courageous, it's just degrees of courage amongst other players that make you look bad.

Spot on with both points mate.

 

[JC99]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

Thats a fair point when he played in the halves he was ok without being great but when he went to FB he changed from Tim to Timid because he wasnt suited to what a FB should be doing

100%, he was terrible at fullback, he wasn't a great halfback by any stretch of the imagination but he wasn't played to his strengths, we have had a number of players over the years who have been played out of position and it has lead to them being harshly judged by the fanbase. Morris and Lawrance are 2 other examples.

Sheensy loved putting blokes out of position ?

Didn't he. He really couldn't move on from what worked in 2005, even after the game changed to prevent that style of play.

The game moved past him very quickly. Teams like the 2005 tigers don’t win premierships anymore. Sheeny never adjusted to the more modern game and it was the end of him. He made sure to sell some of our good players before being booted too ?

Always gonna love the bloke for what he did for the club though. Will be a Wests Tigers legend forever

 

[cochise]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

Thats a fair point when he played in the halves he was ok without being great but when he went to FB he changed from Tim to Timid because he wasnt suited to what a FB should be doing

100%, he was terrible at fullback, he wasn't a great halfback by any stretch of the imagination but he wasn't played to his strengths, we have had a number of players over the years who have been played out of position and it has lead to them being harshly judged by the fanbase. Morris and Lawrance are 2 other examples.

Sheensy loved putting blokes out of position ?

He used to love putting back row forwards into prop which always failed miserably.Sheens did many good things for our club but was probably there for about 4-5 seasons to long.The game evolved but he didnt

Yeah he couldn't get past the mobile pack that worked in 2005 but was killed by the introduction of the wrestle in 2006.

 

[cochise]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

Thats a fair point when he played in the halves he was ok without being great but when he went to FB he changed from Tim to Timid because he wasnt suited to what a FB should be doing

100%, he was terrible at fullback, he wasn't a great halfback by any stretch of the imagination but he wasn't played to his strengths, we have had a number of players over the years who have been played out of position and it has lead to them being harshly judged by the fanbase. Morris and Lawrance are 2 other examples.

Sheensy loved putting blokes out of position ?

Didn't he. He really couldn't move on from what worked in 2005, even after the game changed to prevent that style of play.

The game moved past him very quickly. Teams like the 2005 tigers don’t win premierships anymore. Sheeny never adjusted to the more modern game and it was the end of him. He made sure to sell some of our good players before being booted too ?

Always gonna love the bloke for what he did for the club though. Will be a Wests Tigers legend forever

Yes, I stuck up for him recently when Madge was called our greatest coach, Oly one coach has got us to finals football and a premiership. Until someone else does that he should be considered our best coach.

 

[JC99]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

Thats a fair point when he played in the halves he was ok without being great but when he went to FB he changed from Tim to Timid because he wasnt suited to what a FB should be doing

100%, he was terrible at fullback, he wasn't a great halfback by any stretch of the imagination but he wasn't played to his strengths, we have had a number of players over the years who have been played out of position and it has lead to them being harshly judged by the fanbase. Morris and Lawrance are 2 other examples.

Sheensy loved putting blokes out of position ?

Didn't he. He really couldn't move on from what worked in 2005, even after the game changed to prevent that style of play.

The game moved past him very quickly. Teams like the 2005 tigers don’t win premierships anymore. Sheeny never adjusted to the more modern game and it was the end of him. He made sure to sell some of our good players before being booted too ?

Always gonna love the bloke for what he did for the club though. Will be a Wests Tigers legend forever

Yes, I stuck up for him recently when Madge was called our greatest coach, Oly one coach has got us to finals football and a premiership. Until someone else does that he should be considered our best coach.

Yeah for sure. I love Madge and to be honest he could definitely become our best coach but Sheensy won a premiership, the clubs only one in its history. There’s no beating that unless you win one too

 

[Geo]

Even Josh Reynolds blames Sheens..

 

[Tiger5150]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

As a fullback, Tim Moltzen on kick returns would usually pass to a winger, sometimes a long pass when a winger was in a worse position to him. On the rare occassion that he had to take a hit up on a kick return he would run into the defence in a manner that appeared to be designed to not get hurt, similar in defence. Call it what you will.

 

[PabloX]

How did we get onto Sheens?? Tough call saying the game moved past him. We were bloody unlucky not to win it in 2010. The way he utilised Todd Payten was a masterstroke. If he didn't step on that tennis ball, we beat the dragons.

Back on Reynolds, I'd be happy for him to head home...it's the best option for both parties.

 

[cochise]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

As a fullback, Tim Moltzen on kick returns would usually pass to a winger, sometimes a long pass when a winger was in a worse position to him. On the rare occassion that he had to take a hit up on a kick return he would run into the defence in a manner that appeared to be designed to not get hurt, similar in defence. Call it what you will.

Doesn't make him gutless, he played in arguably the toughest and most physically demanding sporting competition in the world, came back from many serious injuries. You can say what you want about his skill level, you can even say he was intimidated, but he still laced up the boots and fought back to overcome many serious injuries. That shows plenty of pluck and courage to me and I think it is disrespectful to imply that anyone that has gone through all that and fought back from injury time again as being gutless.

 

[happy_tiger]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

As a fullback, Tim Moltzen on kick returns would usually pass to a winger, sometimes a long pass when a winger was in a worse position to him. On the rare occassion that he had to take a hit up on a kick return he would run into the defence in a manner that appeared to be designed to not get hurt, similar in defence. Call it what you will.

Doesn't make him gutless, he played in arguably the toughest and most physically demanding sporting competition in the world, came back from many serious injuries. You can say what you want about his skill level, you can even say he was intimidated, but he still laced up the boots and fought back to overcome many serious injuries. That shows plenty of pluck and courage to me and I think it is disrespectful to imply that anyone that has gone through all that and fought back from injury time again as being gutless.

The bloke who could have turned things around if he could of kept fit was Wade McKinnon ..underrated footballer

 

[TigerSJ]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

Just hang on a minute mate... let's take a few steps back here. Firstly you need to re-read my original post in the context it was written. The comment was more in response to the prior debate about Meaney and the comparison made to him and his talents as a fullback vs Moltzen. Secondly, I never called him "gutless". I did however state that my daughter showed more "pluck" than he did - a comment that you might agree with if you had met her!
As to me placing him as 10th on my list of "Tigers joke footballers" - maybe that was harsh in light of your reminding us of his numerous injury woes (and also in light of the hefty competition for spots in that list), but it is my opinion after all, and honestly I didn't think he did such a great job for the Tigers during his career (especially as a fullback with reference and context to Meaney).
Finally, I am rarely specifically critical of NRL footballers and understand very well the hard work, commitment, sacrifice and effort required to perform in any sport at the elite level, however this is a football forum and we debate and offer up our own thoughts on topics related to the Wests Tigers (most of the time that is) - and as a general comment to all, I believe that participation in the Forum can include opinions about players (coaches and management as well) and their performances - as long as they are reasonable and not of an overly unfair, abusive, personal or vindictive nature.

 

[Tiger5150]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

As a fullback, Tim Moltzen on kick returns would usually pass to a winger, sometimes a long pass when a winger was in a worse position to him. On the rare occassion that he had to take a hit up on a kick return he would run into the defence in a manner that appeared to be designed to not get hurt, similar in defence. Call it what you will.

Doesn't make him gutless, he played in arguably the toughest and most physically demanding sporting competition in the world, came back from many serious injuries. You can say what you want about his skill level, you can even say he was intimidated, but he still laced up the boots and fought back to overcome many serious injuries. That shows plenty of pluck and courage to me and I think it is disrespectful to imply that anyone that has gone through all that and fought back from injury time again as being gutless.

Point out a single post where I said Moltzen was gutless.

I said he was "not brave enough" and I stand by that. His actions on the field were irrefutable proof of that. No doubt as a result of his many and serious injuries, I dont blame him, but as I said in an earlier post, NRL first grade is not a rehab centre and not a place for "not brave enough".

Many here hold him dear to their hearts and thats cool, we all have different opinions on players. I was not a fan of him, I didnt like the way he avoided contact in attack and defence and also didnt like the way he treated teammates on the field (Mitchell Moses prototype). I certainly respect his courage to play NRL with the injuries he had, but again, no doubt because of his injuries, he was not up to standard.

 

[cochise]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.


Just hang on a minute mate... let's take a few steps back here. Firstly you need to re-read my original post in the context it was written. The comment was more in response to the prior debate about Meaney and the comparison made to him and his talents as a fullback vs Moltzen. Secondly, I never called him "gutless". I did however state that my daughter showed more "pluck" than he did - a comment that you might agree with if you had met her!
As to me placing him as 10th on my list of "Tigers joke footballers" - maybe that was harsh in light of your reminding us of his numerous injury woes (and also in light of the hefty competition for spots in that list), but it is my opinion after all, and honestly I didn't think he did such a great job for the Tigers during his career (especially as a fullback with reference and context to Meaney).
Finally, I am rarely specifically critical of NRL footballers and understand very well the hard work, commitment, sacrifice and effort required to perform in any sport at the elite level, however this is a football forum and we debate and offer up our own thoughts on topics related to the Wests Tigers (most of the time that is) - and as a general comment to all, I believe that participation in the Forum can include opinions about players (coaches and management as well) and their performances - as long as they are reasonable and not of an overly unfair, abusive, personal or vindictive nature.

I may have taken your post the wrong way mate, and if I did I apologise. I have just seen Moltzen being labeled as gutless many times over the years and I just think that is too harsh of a comment to direct at someone, I even remember him being referred to as Timid Moltzen. Believe you I actually agree with you about his skill level, I would even go as far to say that he had issues with being worried about his past injuries, I think playing him at fullback highlighted those issues. He did overcome them and still get out on the field in the NRL.

Anyway I'll just finish on this topic and apologise if I took your post the wrong way.

 

[tiger_one]

So has Josh gone?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

So has Josh gone?

No

 

[cochise]

Apparently all that is required is to have Reynolds return to Doggies is the decision to be rubbered stamp by Doggies Board.
In regard to bagging first grade players it very easy to hide behind a keyboard and critise the only people in a position to do that is another first grade player and very few choose to do this because they know how hard it is to get to first grade

It's also hard to get to the top of politics and entertainment, but if you're paid by and work for the public then you're deserved to be judged by them as well ala meatloaf, Donald, sco*mo etc

Agreed mate, but there is criticism and then there implying that someone was gutless or a joke, and displaying ignorance to the courage they showed to make first grade in the 1st place. Moltzen had enough deficiencies as a footballer to point out and be critical of, he didn't need to be compared to a 12 year old girl implying that he lacked courage.

Tim played some solid games as a halfback for us early in his career, we won 7 in a row with him at halfback at one point. As injuries had their impact and he was moved to fullback we saw a player who was out his depth in the position, he didn't really attack the ball in the way a fullback should and his kick returns lacked urgency. See it is possible to discuss his difficulties as a footballer without calling him gutless.

As a fullback, Tim Moltzen on kick returns would usually pass to a winger, sometimes a long pass when a winger was in a worse position to him. On the rare occassion that he had to take a hit up on a kick return he would run into the defence in a manner that appeared to be designed to not get hurt, similar in defence. Call it what you will.

Doesn't make him gutless, he played in arguably the toughest and most physically demanding sporting competition in the world, came back from many serious injuries. You can say what you want about his skill level, you can even say he was intimidated, but he still laced up the boots and fought back to overcome many serious injuries. That shows plenty of pluck and courage to me and I think it is disrespectful to imply that anyone that has gone through all that and fought back from injury time again as being gutless.


Point out a single post where I said Moltzen was gutless.

I said he was "not brave enough" and I stand by that. His actions on the field were irrefutable proof of that. No doubt as a result of his many and serious injuries, I dont blame him, but as I said in an earlier post, NRL first grade is not a rehab centre and not a place for "not brave enough".

Many here hold him dear to their hearts and thats cool, we all have different opinions on players. I was not a fan of him, I didnt like the way he avoided contact in attack and defence and also didnt like the way he treated teammates on the field (Mitchell Moses prototype). I certainly respect his courage to play NRL with the injuries he had, but again, no doubt because of his injuries, he was not up to standard.

I don't hold him dear to my heart at all, I do not think he was a great footballer. That is part of my point, there is enough to be critical of in regards to his actual skill level and performance without having to call in to question the intangible parts of his character when none of us really know him.

In saying that, I'd take a Tim Moltzen over an Adam Blair. lol