Richards a liability

@fergiefurr said:
* dropped an intercept that would have completely changed the game
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It's funny you fault Pat for this but not Kevin. Irrespective of that, when wingers are forced to make intercept attempts, it means the goal line defence is too compressed in the centre. At this point, the much vaunted defensive structure has collapsed and the winger is forced into a high risk play to prevent a try. You should be criticizing the inside men or the coach, not the blokes busting their arse trying to cover 30m of the pitch on their own.
 
I think its pretty obvious the effect playing someone like Richards for us is having. He lacks speed and is definitely a liability in multiple areas of the game. Surely this can't be debated anymore. His general ability as a winger is poor.

I rate his kicking game but it comes down to our team not having the ability to carry a player just for his kicking game.
 
@TopTiger said:
No-ones arguing with the fact that Pat had a very very ordinary game yesterday as highlighted above. His best days are behind him but I can't see Taylor dropping him unless yesterday's game becomes the norm from Pat. Many more games like yesterday will probably mean that this is his last year with the Tigers, then it will be Nepal Donkeys for Pat!!
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There's a few players I'd drop before Pat, no matter how unpopular that would be.
And even if you subscribe to the belief that he's a liability( which I dont, ) he's still entitled to the same Koala Bear treatment that applies to most of the rest of this under performing team( and I use the term "Team" very loosely )
 
@fergiefurr said:
lets go through some highlights of Pats game shall we:

* cost us a try by losing the ball 1m out from our tryline, as usual he was being pushed back in a tackle

* dropped both bombs sent his way

* dropped an intercept that would have completely changed the game

* regaurly gets pushed back on the first hit up which gets our sets off to a terrible start which we dont recover from

remebering that his ínvaluable boot' is kicking at approx 70% and we've regathered 1 of his 'weapon kick offs'' in 9 games. sure he cost us 12 points put hey, he kicked 2 goals!!

pats groupies are oddly silent, yet when he mis kicks a ball and we score a flukey try they cant get to this thread quick enough.
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Catching an intercept is a small percentage play and you can't blame a loss on that.. You could even say that because he got fingers to it, it didn't get out to the winger and he saved a try…

Secondly, playing as a winger Pat wasn't once passed the ball by his inside centre Chris... Pat was scoring tries when Simona was playing inside him because he was actually getting the ball... Since Simona has been out pat hasn't been getting the ball in good position (last week he got one cut out pass from memory)... It's way too easy for the defence to read what is going to happen.. If Chris gets the ball, he will not pass, it's a simple as that.

Pat plays his best when he gets the ball on the wing within 20m of the try line.. That didn't happen once in this game. We didn't play to our strengths.. Simple as that..

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Compared to Richards, Nofoaluma and Naiqama our highly rated players Lawrence and Sironen are ussully hiding for that 1st and 2nd run :slight_smile:
If Luke, Sando and Barba can be moved to NSW cup, why we cannot do the same with Lawrence and Sironen ?
Akuaola, Fine and Faigutosa are consistently the best players at NSW cup, enough is enough.
 
@fergiefurr said:
When you say 20m I assume you actually mean 1m?

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How many tries has he scored after receiving the ball 1m from the line? Being a winger he would have a couple as that is part of the role, but to suggest he can only score them from that far out is fairly ignorant..

As said previously, you can't judge his try scoring ability on the previous 2 games where Chris has played inside him and he hasn't received the ball. Judge him on the games beforehand when Tim was playing inside him and he was actually getting the ball. In those games he scored tries..

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@NT Tiger said:
It wasn't Richard's best game, lets get the knives out. Still one of the top scoring players in the NRL.
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I don't believe that this is an accurate comment. Its obvious that when it comes to general wing play he is one of the poorer wingers in the comp so his try scoring ability wouldn't be missed. I think we would miss his general kicking but how much of an issue would that really be.

The points Richards have scored we can easily make up.

He was a lot better early this season which was to me at least a massive surprise. He looks back to the same form he was in last season now and its not pretty.

I don't get why this guy gets a free ride and Lawrence cops it. Lawrence looks to have more zip in him than Richards.
 
I haven't bagged Lawrence. Lawrence showed up on Sunday as far as I was concerned. Richards had an uncharacteristically poor game but he hasn't been getting much ball to show otherwise.
 
Richards had a shocker. It happens. Overall he has been ok.

I reckon a few have been waiting for this game all year.

Noffa (who I really like) had a shocker as well.

Kevvie who is a fan favourite also made a lot of poor choices as well.

Some players seem to be constantly criticised, Richards as become one.
 
I feel for Richards… I dont believe he has let us down, even if he had a average game.

But, I also feel Simona would be a better option on his wing.

Toss of a coin really?!
 
@Goose said:
@king sirro said:
All 4 outside backs were as poor as each other.

I thought Lawrence was pretty solid.
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Overall I guess I agree with u. But I was pretty dirty on him early in the game when Brooks missed Sione and Lawrence had a good shot on him from behind but missed. I could make a tackle from behind like that so I was quite pissed about it and that sticks in my head. I mean how can a player like Lawrence miss and easy come from behind tackle? It's just not good enough…attention to detail please boys...but attention to detail has always been our problem
 
@Goose said:
Richards had a shocker. It happens. Overall he has been ok.

I reckon a few have been waiting for this game all year.

Noffa (who I really like) had a shocker as well.

Kevvie who is a fan favourite also made a lot of poor choices as well.

Some players seem to be constantly criticised, Richards as become one.
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I don't sit at the game wanting Pat to have a terrible game. If he caught that intercept and scored under the posts I would be singing his praises.

This thread is a vicious cycle, he has a decent game everyone is in here telling me i don't know what in talking about. My initial post was full of points, if people didn't agree with it that was fine, but basically the retorts were 'you suck, pats awesome!' So yeah considering all the crap from posters I do come back in here after he has a shocker, which unfortunately seems to be more often then his decent games.

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This thread is a platform to pillory one of our better players whenever he makes a mistake.
Whatever theoretical points that have been made in attempting to define Pat Richards as a liability are outweighed in the real world by the points that he has scored while playing for the Wests Tigers. Enough points to have him listed amongst the top points scorers in the NRL.
Pat Richards isn't a flashy player, but he's solid.
 
The problem with Pat is that he is in a bad side. In a gun side he would be not bagged like Lote at Souths last year

If he were in a Souths or Roosters he would be value, as they have adequate speed and power across the park to have a slow player with other attributes.

With us because he have so many plodders across the park Richards just adds to the list. His kicking game is not as effective this year and he is playing dud football.
 
@Eddie said:
The problem with Pat is that he is in a bad side. In a gun side he would be not bagged like Lote at Souths last year

If he were in a Souths or Roosters he would be value, as they have adequate speed and power across the park to have a slow player with other attributes.

With us because he have so many plodders across the park Richards just adds to the list. His kicking game is not as effective this year and he is playing dud football.
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I've said a similar thing. We just can't carry Richards in our team. We need speed and he doesn't have it.
 
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