Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[king_sirro]

Obviously Farah's hands were tied.

If u cant see that then….

This comment is laughable.

Farah was asked to let the halves be halves and stop playing first/2nd/3rd receiver as well as hooker. He was asked to play a hookers role. Cherrington proved this by coming in and showing great creativity and confidence to do whatever he wanted FROM DUMMY HALF. Farah could have done the same but failed to.

Those who blame Taylor for Farah's poor season are wrong.

 

[Geo]

Obviously Farah's hands were tied.

If u cant see that then….

This comment is laughable.

Farah was asked to let the halves be halves and stop playing first/2nd/3rd receiver as well as hooker. He was asked to play a hookers role. Cherrington proved this by coming in and showing great creativity and confidence to do whatever he wanted FROM DUMMY HALF. Farah could have done the same but failed to.

Those who blame Taylor for Farah's poor season are wrong.

That will be overlooked….He was asked to play hooker not the hangover from Sheensball which has always been the fallback of our senior players when Wests Tigers are under pressure in games....Potter tried to change it as well...earn the right I think he used to say...

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Obviously Farah's hands were tied.

If u cant see that then….

This comment is laughable.

Farah was asked to let the halves be halves and stop playing first/2nd/3rd receiver as well as hooker. He was asked to play a hookers role. Cherrington proved this by coming in and showing great creativity and confidence to do whatever he wanted FROM DUMMY HALF. Farah could have done the same but failed to.

Those who blame Taylor for Farah's poor season are wrong.

Clearly Farah's arch rival for many years, Michael Ennis, has a different view. Ennis said

"under Taylor, Farah can no longer be the “attacking weapon out of dummy-half that he’d been” for the Tigers.

Pretty clear KS that according to Ennis, JT had nobbled Farah's game and at the end of it, we finished equal last on points.

 

[king_sirro]

Obviously Farah's hands were tied.

If u cant see that then….

This comment is laughable.

Farah was asked to let the halves be halves and stop playing first/2nd/3rd receiver as well as hooker. He was asked to play a hookers role. Cherrington proved this by coming in and showing great creativity and confidence to do whatever he wanted FROM DUMMY HALF. Farah could have done the same but failed to.

Those who blame Taylor for Farah's poor season are wrong.

Clearly Farah's arch rival for many years, Michael Ennis, has a different view. Ennis said

"under Taylor, Farah can no longer be the “attacking weapon out of dummy-half that he’d been” for the Tigers.

Pretty clear KS that according to Ennis, JT had nobbled Farah's game and at the end of it, we finished equal last on points.

Well if Ennis said it it must be "clear" lol. So Taylor told Farah to do one thing and told Cherrington to do another? Unless I hear it from Taylor himself I will never believe he told Farah to shut up shop but let Cherrington have free reign…it's impossible to believe that would happen.

Farah is a very creative player and most of his creative work was done when getting the ball in the halves. Taylor wanted the young halves to be in control of that area so Farah had to rely on his dummy half play. What this proved is that while Robbie is a very good player, great work rate and still creative, he doesn't have the speed out of dummy half to take advantage of his creativity. He was exposed a little in this regard. Cherrington exposed him.

 

[Eddie]

They asked Benny the wrong questions.

Forget about what happens if Taylor drops Farah and Tigers don't win; ask the reverse: what happens if they win without Farah, or lose with him? Then what does JT do.

I guarantee that if we have a losing start with Robbie playing firsts next year, there will be a long line of Farah apologists saying that he is "being hamstrung" or "should be allowed to play his natural game".

I'll tell you who was allowed to play their natural game: Lockyer, Johns, Tallis. Webcke, Ellis. These guys were excellent every week, so over-coaching would be like telling Federer which shots he should select.

Every other player I've seen, needs to be reigned in to some extent; it's a team game. Even Thurston cannot just play however he chooses, because he's always had the issue of not quite having a stable or directing half option alongside him, flicking back and forth between half and 5/8th. First season that he has a halves partner who is consistently dangerous and at his peak, they win the comp.

Did you watch Michael Ennis play last year??

He was tremendous. He said being allowed to play what he saw a lot more made him so much more effective.

Nathan Brown made that point and it was a really solid one. The coach has an asset in Farah, and refused to use him to the best of his abilities and for the teams best interests.

There is no way Ennis was a more skillful or creative player then Robbie, yet last season he had double the assists and numbers? Why, I would argue PARTLY due to good coaching at Sharks. Robbie has been a better player then Ennis nearly his whole career. Yet last season Ennis had nearly double the numbers. You have to give Ennis credit but you alos have to look at our game plans and wonder what we were trying to acheive/

Black, N Whitw made some fair points. Farahs service was dissapointing and really poor at times. He needs to be sharper next season from Round 1\. Like I said originally he also needs to take some responsibility for a quiet year last year.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2015/12/03/wests_tigers_welcome.html
Robbie is finally back on WT homepage - a beginning?

 

[cktiger]

Obviously Farah's hands were tied.

If u cant see that then….

This comment is laughable.

Farah was asked to let the halves be halves and stop playing first/2nd/3rd receiver as well as hooker. He was asked to play a hookers role. Cherrington proved this by coming in and showing great creativity and confidence to do whatever he wanted FROM DUMMY HALF. Farah could have done the same but failed to.

Those who blame Taylor for Farah's poor season are wrong.

Clearly Farah's arch rival for many years, Michael Ennis, has a different view. Ennis said

"under Taylor, Farah can no longer be the “attacking weapon out of dummy-half that he’d been” for the Tigers.

Pretty clear KS that according to Ennis, JT had nobbled Farah's game and at the end of it, we finished equal last on points.

Well if Ennis said it it must be "clear" lol. So Taylor told Farah to do one thing and told Cherrington to do another? Unless I hear it from Taylor himself I will never believe he told Farah to shut up shop but let Cherrington have free reign…it's impossible to believe that would happen.

Farah is a very creative player and most of his creative work was done when getting the ball in the halves. Taylor wanted the young halves to be in control of that area so Farah had to rely on his dummy half play. What this proved is that while Robbie is a very good player, great work rate and still creative, he doesn't have the speed out of dummy half to take advantage of his creativity. He was exposed a little in this regard. Cherrington exposed him.

You're forgetting Cherrington has little game time and runs on with fresh legs against tired players.
He will be a very good player but he's not ready for big minutes at the top level just yet - even his manager knows that.

 

[Tigermama]

http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2015/12/03/wests_tigers_welcome.html
Robbie is finally back on WT homepage - a beginning?

Lol… Bill doesn't look too happy being sandwiched between Robbie and Dean. :mrgreen:
And next to Woodsy he looks like he's grimacing. :laughing:
Seriously, kudos to the club, for organising this for Bill. :slight_smile:

 

[Tigermama]

dog has very strong flavour especially if they de-hair by gas burner - smells shocking. Also shocking terrified howling before killing dog as they want it terrified so toxins will come out in blood. So cruelly killed. Usually only drunks eat when too poor.

That's awful. :frowning:

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I think the 48 hours are up by when the WT were announcing Robbie's homecoming and apology to fans??

Don't say another false start! Don't let the geegees win! (geo & gallagher)

 

[boonboon]

They asked Benny the wrong questions.

Forget about what happens if Taylor drops Farah and Tigers don't win; ask the reverse: what happens if they win without Farah, or lose with him? Then what does JT do.

I guarantee that if we have a losing start with Robbie playing firsts next year, there will be a long line of Farah apologists saying that he is "being hamstrung" or "should be allowed to play his natural game".

I'll tell you who was allowed to play their natural game: Lockyer, Johns, Tallis. Webcke, Ellis. These guys were excellent every week, so over-coaching would be like telling Federer which shots he should select.

Every other player I've seen, needs to be reigned in to some extent; it's a team game. Even Thurston cannot just play however he chooses, because he's always had the issue of not quite having a stable or directing half option alongside him, flicking back and forth between half and 5/8th. First season that he has a halves partner who is consistently dangerous and at his peak, they win the comp.

Did you watch Michael Ennis play last year??

He was tremendous. He said being allowed to play what he saw a lot more made him so much more effective.

Nathan Brown made that point and it was a really solid one. The coach has an asset in Farah, and refused to use him to the best of his abilities and for the teams best interests.

There is no way Ennis was a more skillful or creative player then Robbie, yet last season he had double the assists and numbers? Why, I would argue PARTLY due to good coaching at Sharks. Robbie has been a better player then Ennis nearly his whole career. Yet last season Ennis had nearly double the numbers. You have to give Ennis credit but you alos have to look at our game plans and wonder what we were trying to acheive/

Black, N Whitw made some fair points. Farahs service was dissapointing and really poor at times. He needs to be sharper next season from Round 1\. Like I said originally he also needs to take some responsibility for a quiet year last year.

And yet despite the horrible attack coaching of JT the Tigers still scored more points then the Sharks so seems he was still doing a better job the Flanagan coaching attack

 

[king_sirro]

This comment is laughable.

Farah was asked to let the halves be halves and stop playing first/2nd/3rd receiver as well as hooker. He was asked to play a hookers role. Cherrington proved this by coming in and showing great creativity and confidence to do whatever he wanted FROM DUMMY HALF. Farah could have done the same but failed to.

Those who blame Taylor for Farah's poor season are wrong.

Clearly Farah's arch rival for many years, Michael Ennis, has a different view. Ennis said

"under Taylor, Farah can no longer be the “attacking weapon out of dummy-half that he’d been” for the Tigers.

Pretty clear KS that according to Ennis, JT had nobbled Farah's game and at the end of it, we finished equal last on points.

Well if Ennis said it it must be "clear" lol. So Taylor told Farah to do one thing and told Cherrington to do another? Unless I hear it from Taylor himself I will never believe he told Farah to shut up shop but let Cherrington have free reign…it's impossible to believe that would happen.

Farah is a very creative player and most of his creative work was done when getting the ball in the halves. Taylor wanted the young halves to be in control of that area so Farah had to rely on his dummy half play. What this proved is that while Robbie is a very good player, great work rate and still creative, he doesn't have the speed out of dummy half to take advantage of his creativity. He was exposed a little in this regard. Cherrington exposed him.

You're forgetting Cherrington has little game time and runs on with fresh legs against tired players.
He will be a very good player but he's not ready for big minutes at the top level just yet - even his manager knows that.

That's not the point CK. The discussion is on whether or not Taylor told Farah to do nothing from dummy half.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

They asked Benny the wrong questions.

Forget about what happens if Taylor drops Farah and Tigers don't win; ask the reverse: what happens if they win without Farah, or lose with him? Then what does JT do.

I guarantee that if we have a losing start with Robbie playing firsts next year, there will be a long line of Farah apologists saying that he is "being hamstrung" or "should be allowed to play his natural game".

I'll tell you who was allowed to play their natural game: Lockyer, Johns, Tallis. Webcke, Ellis. These guys were excellent every week, so over-coaching would be like telling Federer which shots he should select.

Every other player I've seen, needs to be reigned in to some extent; it's a team game. Even Thurston cannot just play however he chooses, because he's always had the issue of not quite having a stable or directing half option alongside him, flicking back and forth between half and 5/8th. First season that he has a halves partner who is consistently dangerous and at his peak, they win the comp.

Did you watch Michael Ennis play last year??

He was tremendous. He said being allowed to play what he saw a lot more made him so much more effective.

Nathan Brown made that point and it was a really solid one. The coach has an asset in Farah, and refused to use him to the best of his abilities and for the teams best interests.

There is no way Ennis was a more skillful or creative player then Robbie, yet last season he had double the assists and numbers? Why, I would argue PARTLY due to good coaching at Sharks. Robbie has been a better player then Ennis nearly his whole career. Yet last season Ennis had nearly double the numbers. You have to give Ennis credit but you alos have to look at our game plans and wonder what we were trying to acheive/

Black, N Whitw made some fair points. Farahs service was dissapointing and really poor at times. He needs to be sharper next season from Round 1\. Like I said originally he also needs to take some responsibility for a quiet year last year.

And yet despite the horrible attack coaching of JT the Tigers still scored more points then the Sharks so seems he was still doing a better job the Flanagan coaching attack

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Both Farah and Taylor at the same interview early In , or just before the season started, both stated that exact thing. That he'd be standing back and letting the halves take over.
Sounds pretty clear to me

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Both Farah and Taylor at the same interview early In , or just before the season started, both stated that exact thing. That he'd be standing back and letting the halves take over.
Sounds pretty clear to me

Take over running the team…

I don't recall any comments from either stating "be as boring as bat crap out of dummy half"?

 

[ghost]

Both Farah and Taylor at the same interview early In , or just before the season started, both stated that exact thing. That he'd be standing back and letting the halves take over.
Sounds pretty clear to me

Crystal clear.

Not even up for debate!

 

[king_sirro]

Both Farah and Taylor at the same interview early In , or just before the season started, both stated that exact thing. That he'd be standing back and letting the halves take over.
Sounds pretty clear to me

Crystal clear.

Not even up for debate!

See above post by Tiger Watto for what's clear. Crystal clear.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

That's where Farah was stunted last year. He's not the archetypical hooker. He's somewhere between a seven and nine for mine. That freedom to direct the game as a pseudo half has been taken from him and given to a legitimate halves pairing (legitimate in the sense that they're a genuine half and five-eighth, rather than makeshift halves like in the past,) now he's left to run the game solely from dummy half. Everyone can argue that Cherrington is only playing small minutes etc, but we looked more threatening out of dummy half with him there. Service was faster and the attack appeared to be more direct.

I think due to Taylor's basic, defence orientated game plan, it's easy to pin Farah's performances on that but under the surface it looks more like a case of correlation not equating to causation.

In any case, I'm sure if he is indeed staying that we'll see a different Farah this year, he's on notice much like the coach and will be keen to have a lash. That may be the one shining light out of this whole sorry mess.

 

[king_sirro]

Both Farah and Taylor at the same interview early In , or just before the season started, both stated that exact thing. That he'd be standing back and letting the halves take over.
Sounds pretty clear to me

Take over running the team…

I don't recall any comments from either stating "be as boring as bat crap out of dummy half"?

You know the mistake we are making mate? We think by giving intelligent information that the recipient is intelligent enough to comprehend it. So I guess we are the silly ones if you think about.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Maybe we were not intelligent enough to know that when the press tells us that a press statement is going to be released within 24-48 hours re Robbie staying and all the details already released that that was the press statement already. They save face that way. Like Abbott not publicly resigning (or heavily delayed). It is like waiting for JC's return.