Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

I'm glad the players association are getting involved. The way "management" has gone about this, especially that disgusting excuse for a coach is shameful.

Robbie won't bring the club to its knees because he loves it more than any other individual in the entire organisation. However I support him in outing what a poorly run, poorly organised and poorly structured brothel it really is.
 
Just a thought…could this all could stem from JT wanting to save his own neck?

The scenario is that he came here and has sold the board on "his structures". While not expecting miracles in 2015, he did expect improvement. It hasn't happened.

The noose starts to tighten as the board starts to ask questions. He knows that without personnel changes, it is unlikely to change in 2016.

Who is taking up the biggest portion of the cap? Farah. JT decides to roll the dice.

Farah must go for JT to buy some new cattle. I fully expect he knows who he wants and will have them signed before Robbie says his final farewell.

What JT didn't expect was the media blow-up and has been caught out. He currently has the "support of the board" but that will have its limits depending on what comes out in the media.
 
@stryker said:
I'm glad the players association are getting involved. The way "management" has gone about this, especially that disgusting excuse for a coach is shameful.

Robbie won't bring the club to its knees because he loves it more than any other individual in the entire organisation. However I support him in outing what a poorly run, poorly organised and poorly structured brothel it really is.

100% correct - the (only) heart of the club being made to look like the cause of the problems.
 
@cktiger said:
@stryker said:
I'm glad the players association are getting involved. The way "management" has gone about this, especially that disgusting excuse for a coach is shameful.

Robbie won't bring the club to its knees because he loves it more than any other individual in the entire organisation. However I support him in outing what a poorly run, poorly organised and poorly structured brothel it really is.

100% correct - the (only) heart of the club being made to look like the cause of the problems.

Yes - a scapegoat for the incompetence of others.
 
@coopy said:
Just a thought…could this all could stem from JT wanting to save his own neck?

The scenario is that he came here and has sold the board on "his structures". While not expecting miracles in 2015, he did expect improvement. It hasn't happened.

The noose starts to tighten as the board starts to ask questions. He knows that without personnel changes, it is unlikely to change in 2016.

Who is taking up the biggest portion of the cap? Farah. JT decides to roll the dice.

Farah must go for JT to buy some new cattle. I fully expect he knows who he wants and will have them signed before Robbie says his final farewell.

What JT didn't expect was the media blow-up and has been caught out. He currently has the "support of the board" but that will have its limits depending on what comes out in the media.

Very likely and probably the correct assumption. One major flaw though…it has been left too late. Robbie will rule out UK at this point as he has the NSW coaches public backing for SOO 2016\. Therefore he has 2 options. Find an NRL club with cap space who will be prepared to pay $400k + for the next 2 years (very unlikely) or stay. Either way, moving him on won't give Taylor the war chest needed.
 
And in Sunday's Herald, the plot thickens even more!
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Wests Tigers hooker Robbie Farah victim of Jason Taylor power play

Date August 29, 2015 - 10:17PM
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Danny Weidler SMH

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/wests-tigers-hooker-robbie-farah-victim-of-jason-taylor-power-play-20150829-gjaqj7.html#ixzz3kDWXzjpR
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Robbie Farah was already out of State of Origin III and was having a coffee with a few mates in the bar of the team hotel. Nursing a busted hand, Farah was down in the dumps when the topic of Pat Richards and a deal with French team Catalans came up.

In the group was Farah's agent, Sam Ayoub. Farah turned to his agent and quipped: "You might have to send me there."

The conversation moved on. The French comment was lost on most at the gathering. At that point there was no indication from the Tigers that Farah was a goner. Not publicly anyway.
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But Farah was already feeling he was on the outer. He's been through two major injuries and had surgery. There was no call from coach Jason Taylor to see how the skipper had pulled up. The media has been calling Farah day and night and following his every move. Maybe the coach had been getting his information from the constant updates?

Whatever the case, Farah wasn't feeling the love.

On the last day in July, it was made official. Ayoub met with Taylor and acting Tigers boss Phil Moss. The meeting took place in Ayoub's Leichhardt office and it began with small talk about other clients Ayoub had at the Tigers, before it moved on to Farah.

Taylor said the club needed to move forward, and Ayoub said they needed to pay out Farah's deal. Taylor said that would happen.

It is then that Ayoub had to work out how to tell Farah what he already suspected. By this point, Farah was already being left out of leadership meetings. He had been making plans as a result to quit as Tigers skipper. Farah would wear players complaining to him about Taylor, but felt compromised about whinging to the coach. He had been blamed for the demise of former Tigers coach Mick Potter, and that took a toll on him. Farah believed that to continue at the club he needed to take a back seat.

The Tigers played the Raiders on a Monday night and Ayoub arranged a promotional job for Farah in Canberra and told the club that Farah would make his own way back to Sydney. It was an excuse for Ayoub to have three hours in the car with his client. Again there was small talk before he dumped the news on Farah.

Farah was angry, but not surprised. He was struggling to make sense of what had happened. Farah had spilled blood, won a comp and considered the Tigers home. Just a few weeks earlier, with a busted shoulder, he backed up from Origin and played a game he shouldn't have and broke his hand.

All one-club players talk about their "legacy" and Farah could see his being destroyed; taken away from him by a man who had been in the gig for five minutes; a coach who had been hired after Potter and who had achieved even worse results.

And then it became personal. Farah had taken pay cuts and delayed payments in order to help the club. What is not known is that Farah was owed at least $400,000 from his last contract. He was to be paid the arrears in this contract and it was to be back-ended. Farah deferred the money to help the club, where officials had made a mess of the salary cap and made promises they could not keep.

And, yes, he will get the money now regardless – and it will be more than the $1.9 million that is being touted. It will be a couple of hundred thousand more than that.

Now, without stating the obvious, that money could well have been used for investments, and Farah had to pass on some opportunities during that time.

None of that will worry Taylor. He has told Farah the money will be forthcoming. He just wants Farah out of the club.

It needs to be made very clear that this is a power play from Taylor. He can't make this team his own with a big and challenging character in the team – but surely that is a fault of the coach not the player.

Taylor saw the roster he was getting when he took over. To complain now is like a home owner purchasing a property under a flight path and then whinging about the noise.

Nevertheless, Ayoub had been doing his duty and making contact with teams. He also had a discussion with a senior Tigers official, where he questioned Taylor's approach. Ayoub said he would endeavour to get Farah a start in England in 2017 but, because of the short notice, he would do it tough to get a deal at a club for 2016\. Ayoub thought that an English club might swallow up $500,000 of the debt the Tigers owed Farah – a huge saving for the Tigers – but he needed to operate without the move to oust Farah being made public.

The official said they would have a chat to Taylor – but that clearly didn't work. The news coming out interfered with a potential deal with a Sydney club where Ayoub had been operating on the basis of secrecy.

Ayoub then had a meeting with Farah, Taylor and Rod Reddy where things got heated. Farah was told he would be playing reserve grade and Ayoub labelled Reddy a "dinosaur". Ayoub also made the point that Taylor was using Farah as a scapegoat for his poor season.

At the meeting, Taylor was reminded of his duty to pick on form. At one point, Ayoub got up and ordered Farah to leave the room and the pair ended up walking out on Taylor and Reddy, despite the coach saying the meeting wasn't over. From Ayoub's perspective, there will only be another meeting when Taylor, in Ayoub's opinion, understands the meaning of a playing contract.

"My view is clubs have the right to tell players their time is up, but the spin that has been put out there on this matter is purely disrespectful," Ayoub said. "I'm going through a similar matter with another club but because there is no ego involved we will get a good and fair result for both parties and it will be done without the fuss we have seen here."

That may not be the end of the fury. Taylor's threat to play Farah in second grade could lead to legal action, as there is a requirement in the NRL that players are picked on merit. There is a fair argument that Farah is good enough to play first grade when Laurie Daley says he will play Origin next year. And it's no secret in the Blues camp that Farah is close to Daley's favourite player – if not his outright favourite.

And here is the kicker: Tigers players have told me they have told Farah he has their backing and they want to play with him next year. That will be passed on to Taylor.
 
If this is true you would have to question how Taylor can possibly continue as coach. What a mess - worse than I thought.
 
@stryker said:
I'm glad the players association are getting involved. The way "management" has gone about this, especially that disgusting excuse for a coach is shameful.

I actually think Newton's comments are out of touch. I wonder how the Players' Association will react should a player transfer market be introduced?
 
**Robbie Farah prepared to play NSW Cup at Wests Tigers next year**
Date August 29, 2015
Michael Carayannis

Only an approach from a high-profile Sydney-based club will sway Farah into leaving the Tigers, despite the club's wishes to move him on at the end of this season.

While Gold Coast and Newcastle may have salary cap space, Farah won't move away from Sydney and is only interested in joining a club that is likely to be in premiership contention next season.

There has been interest from the English Super League, but Farah still wants to play Origin and wants at least one more season in Australia. He was boosted by the support of Blues coach Laurie Daley, who said he would be willing to pick Farah to play for NSW next year even if he spends the start of the season in reserve grade.

The stand-off could see Farah become the most expensive NSW Cup player in history with the Tigers skipper owed about $950,000 next season. A host of current and former teammates have rallied around Farah, including former teammate Benji Marshall who has been in constant contact with Farah since news of his likely departure broke on Tuesday.

Coach Jason Taylor has spent time explaining to the playing group the reasons behind the move to dump the club captain.

"I've had chats to a couple of individuals," Taylor said. "I'll continue to chat with guys about it because, ultimately, it's going to be really important for everyone to understand really deeply exactly why. I haven't felt an extreme need to do a heap of that at this point."

The situation came to a head when Farah and manager Sam Ayoub met with Taylor and Rod Reddy on Tuesday night. While he may have been told he would be dumped from full-time training, Farah at this stage is prepared to fight for his spot as he enjoys the support of teammates.

When asked what would happen should Farah return for pre-season training in November, Taylor replied: "I'm not going to get into that one today."

Taylor said he had spoken with the players about how the conversations with Farah took place.

"We've had some discussions about that," Taylor said. "The way things have played out has been due to a number of circumstances. Lots and lots of circumstances that were really hard to control.

"Respecting Robbie has always been at the forefront of everything that we've done. We will continue to do it that way. Tough discussions and numerous people involved. Sometimes they don't go the way we like them to go and our hand got forced. That made it a lot tougher."

Farah will turn out for the Tigers against the Warriors in what could be his final appearance at Campbelltown Stadium on Sunday. Such is the uncertainty there is no planned tribute for Farah, who is a life member of the club.

Taylor said Farah had "been really professional through it".

"It's been tough for the players and I wouldn't expect it to be any other way and I wouldn't expect anything other than for the guys to support Robbie," Taylor said.

"I spoke to them at the start of the week about the fact they should support him. He has been their teammate for a long time, and he has come really close, as you do. At the same time, tough decisions get made in rugby league and that's where it's at.

"It's been tough for Robbie. It's a credit to him the way he turns up each day and gets on with the job."

The Tigers need to beat the Warriors if they are any hope of avoiding the wooden spoon.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/wests-tigers/robbie-farah-prepared-to-play-nsw-cup-at-wests-tigers-next-year-20150829-gjamxi.html#ixzz3kDlvKRcw
 
@Gary Bakerloo said:
The situation came to a head when Farah and manager Sam Ayoub met with Taylor and Rod Reddy on Tuesday night. While he may have been told he would be dumped from full-time training, Farah at this stage is prepared to fight for his spot as he enjoys the support of teammates.

Admittedly Farah is not actually quoted saying this, but if these comments been infered by Farah's comments…....here we go again, players trying to run the club.

Board and coach have made a decision.
 
@Gary Bakerloo said:
@Gary Bakerloo said:
The situation came to a head when Farah and manager Sam Ayoub met with Taylor and Rod Reddy on Tuesday night. While he may have been told he would be dumped from full-time training, Farah at this stage is prepared to fight for his spot as he enjoys the support of teammates.

Admittedly Farah is not actually quoted saying this, but if these comments been infered by Farah's comments…....here we go again, players trying to run the club.

Board and coach have made a decision.

i would expect any player no matter who he is to fight for his position and do his best.I dont see how you could possibly infer that he is trying to run the club from the article but feel free to slur him as you do.Robbie has made mistakes in the past everyone does but i dont believe he or anyone deserves what has been done to him by the coach/club.
 
Robbie Farah prepared to play NSW Cup at Wests Tigers next year
Date August 29, 2015
Michael Carayannis
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Only an approach from a high-profile Sydney-based club will sway Farah into leaving the Tigers, despite the club's wishes to move him on at the end of this season.
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While Gold Coast and Newcastle may have salary cap space, Farah won't move away from Sydney and is only interested in joining a club that is likely to be in premiership contention next season.

So that won't be happening then.

There has been interest from the English Super League, but Farah still wants to play Origin and wants at least one more season in Australia.

Right, so,we may only be dealing with this for a year then and there will be salary cap relief after.

He was boosted by the support of Blues coach Laurie Daley, who said he would be willing to pick Farah to play for NSW next year even if he spends the start of the season in reserve grade.

Which is good of Lozz to do that

The stand-off could see Farah become the most expensive NSW Cup player in history with the Tigers skipper owed about $950,000 next season. A host of current and former teammates have rallied around Farah, including former teammate Benji Marshall who has been in constant contact with Farah since news of his likely departure broke on Tuesday.

Rally around or requiring dip for those chips on their shoulders?

Coach Jason Taylor has spent time explaining to the playing group the reasons behind the move to dump the club captain.
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"I've had chats to a couple of individuals," Taylor said. "I'll continue to chat with guys about it because, ultimately, it's going to be really important for everyone to understand really deeply exactly why. I haven't felt an extreme need to do a heap of that at this point."
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The situation came to a head when Farah and manager Sam Ayoub met with Taylor and Rod Reddy on Tuesday night. While he may have been told he would be dumped from full-time training, Farah at this stage is prepared to fight for his spot as he enjoys the support of teammates.

I would expect him to fight for his spot and if his form is there, he should be in the 1st grade side…........and I hope he gets picked and not left in the lower grades just because.

When asked what would happen should Farah return for pre-season training in November, Taylor replied: "I'm not going to get into that one today."
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Taylor said he had spoken with the players about how the conversations with Farah took place.
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"We've had some discussions about that," Taylor said. "The way things have played out has been due to a number of circumstances. Lots and lots of circumstances that were really hard to control.
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"Respecting Robbie has always been at the forefront of everything that we've done. We will continue to do it that way. Tough discussions and numerous people involved. Sometimes they don't go the way we like them to go and our hand got forced. That made it a lot tougher."
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Farah will turn out for the Tigers against the Warriors in what could be his final appearance at Campbelltown Stadium on Sunday. Such is the uncertainty there is no planned tribute for Farah, who is a life member of the club.
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Taylor said Farah had "been really professional through it".
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"It's been tough for the players and I wouldn't expect it to be any other way and I wouldn't expect anything other than for the guys to support Robbie," Taylor said.
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"I spoke to them at the start of the week about the fact they should support him. He has been their teammate for a long time, and he has come really close, as you do. At the same time, tough decisions get made in rugby league and that's where it's at.
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"It's been tough for Robbie. It's a credit to him the way he turns up each day and gets on with the job."
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The Tigers need to beat the Warriors if they are any hope of avoiding the wooden spoon.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/west ... z3kDlvKRcw

Interesting stuff all up, a lot of damage control going on, but if Robbie's managers knew about this after Origin 3? why isn't anyone questioning them?
 
So before this article, we were told that Farahs manager was doing everything in secret and that Farah only found out this week….but now Farah may have at least suspected at origin time (ive no doubt he knew) and was certainly told for sure after the canberra game weeks ago.

Which is it? Was it early on and you havent been able to get a deal elsewhere and so now your whinging, or did you not know or suspect anything?

Everyone stinks in this, even the 'victim' who clearly isnt Mr Innocent.

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@Gary Bakerloo said:
@Gary Bakerloo said:
The situation came to a head when Farah and manager Sam Ayoub met with Taylor and Rod Reddy on Tuesday night. While he may have been told he would be dumped from full-time training, Farah at this stage is prepared to fight for his spot as he enjoys the support of teammates.

Admittedly Farah is not actually quoted saying this, but if these comments been infered by Farah's comments…....here we go again, players trying to run the club.

Board and coach have made a decision.

How is he trying to run a Club ?
What part of he has a Contract and hasn't found a Club to go to that you don't understand ?
He wants to stay in Sydney for now and has a desire to play 1 more Origin series ( Daley obviously wants him ).
Your pointing the finger at the wrong person…..blame Taylor and Management not Farah .

Supposedly Farah is happy to cut short his Contract by 1 year and save the Club between $900,000 - $1 Million for the 2017 Season , Ayoub said it would give him the appropiate time to find him a Club in England , but poor old Taylor has desperation written all over him :laughing: .
 
@Swordy said:
So before this article, we were told that Farahs manager was doing everything in secret and that Farah only found out this week….but now Farah may have at least suspected at origin time (ive no doubt he knew) and was certainly told for sure after the canberra game weeks ago.

Which is it? Was it early on and you havent been able to get a deal elsewhere and so now your whinging, or did you not know or suspect anything?

Everyone stinks in this, even the 'victim' who clearly isnt Mr Innocent.

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Jeez what a drama queen you are?
Victim, Innocent, stinks, suspect, no doubt?
You have no idea and even if there was a slite chance that he knew a week or to earlier is still a disgrace especially not told officially by the club, you over reactive Farah hater.

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@Tigerspirit said:
@Swordy said:
So before this article, we were told that Farahs manager was doing everything in secret and that Farah only found out this week….but now Farah may have at least suspected at origin time (ive no doubt he knew) and was certainly told for sure after the canberra game weeks ago.

Which is it? Was it early on and you havent been able to get a deal elsewhere and so now your whinging, or did you not know or suspect anything?

Everyone stinks in this, even the 'victim' who clearly isnt Mr Innocent.

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<big>Jeez what a drama queen you are?</big>
Victim, Innocent, stinks, suspect, no doubt?
You have no idea and even if there was a slite chance that he knew a week or to earlier is still a disgrace especially not told officially by the club, <big>you over reactive Farah hater.</big>
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Let's play….

Spot The Irony
 
When was the last State of Origin - mid July??? How many clubs at that time of year do people honestly think would be in a position to negotiate a fair/acceptable deal to take on an elite player who was contracted for the next two years with his own club, and so wasnt on any clubs radar.Everyone knows that Robbie is committed to Wests Tigers what clubs would have even contemplated the thought of adding him to their roster. Cant believe that some are thinking that that time frame is acceptable by our club, and that it is showing Robbie the respect that Taylor keeps banging on about that he says Robbie deserves. Our club has acted appallingly toward Farah and shown little or no regard about the impact this decision has on the majority of fans, ( have a read of WTs face book page for a fair indication) - and at the very least allowed them the opportunity to demonstrate and show their appreciation of his contribution to this club, should Taylor have his way.
 
@stryker said:
@coopy said:
Just a thought…could this all could stem from JT wanting to save his own neck?

The scenario is that he came here and has sold the board on "his structures". While not expecting miracles in 2015, he did expect improvement. It hasn't happened.

The noose starts to tighten as the board starts to ask questions. He knows that without personnel changes, it is unlikely to change in 2016.

Who is taking up the biggest portion of the cap? Farah. JT decides to roll the dice.

Farah must go for JT to buy some new cattle. I fully expect he knows who he wants and will have them signed before Robbie says his final farewell.

What JT didn't expect was the media blow-up and has been caught out. He currently has the "support of the board" but that will have its limits depending on what comes out in the media.

Very likely and probably the correct assumption. One major flaw though…it has been left too late. Robbie will rule out UK at this point as he has the NSW coaches public backing for SOO 2016\. Therefore he has 2 options. Find an NRL club with cap space who will be prepared to pay $400k + for the next 2 years (very unlikely) or stay. Either way, moving him on won't give Taylor the war chest needed.

I'd think that you'd be pretty safe in thinking that self preservation is the no1 driving force in anything that he does at the moment. His excuses have all but run out, and he's been shown to have very little as a coach. He probably didn't expect even half of the backlash that both him and our non football thinking board have caused .
Because the saving money excuse has gone, he needs another excuse and has floated the rumours of players unrest. which is starting to be unravelled by those who know. The players themselves.
But there are still a few who actually believe that the players wouldn't know
 
@innsaneink said:
@Tigerspirit said:
@Swordy said:
So before this article, we were told that Farahs manager was doing everything in secret and that Farah only found out this week….but now Farah may have at least suspected at origin time (ive no doubt he knew) and was certainly told for sure after the canberra game weeks ago.

Which is it? Was it early on and you havent been able to get a deal elsewhere and so now your whinging, or did you not know or suspect anything?

Everyone stinks in this, even the 'victim' who clearly isnt Mr Innocent.

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<big>Jeez what a drama queen you are?</big>
Victim, Innocent, stinks, suspect, no doubt?
You have no idea and even if there was a slite chance that he knew a week or to earlier is still a disgrace especially not told officially by the club, <big>you over reactive Farah hater.</big>
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Let's play….

Spot The Irony

I criticized one of your posts a few days ago, and astonishly you seem to POP up like a JOKER and critisise most of my comments????
Have you an insecurity problem that is covered by humour????

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