gallagher
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@Newtown said:
Even Moltzen got a club.
Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....
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Even Moltzen got a club.
innsaneink
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@Tigerspirit said:
Did you really.. Which one?
Ask those that know me here…. I'm fairly secure in myself I'd say.
I like highliting hypocrites
Basil_Tiger
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@fibrodreaming said:
Exactly,i can't believe posters here are taking press reports at face value,everything coming from Ayoub is damage control to deflect attention from Robbie meeting with Maguire which is at the core of this mess.Obviously JT still has some contacts/friends at Souths who tipped him off.
I hope the boys really put up a fight in today's match and don't roll over.
jirskyr
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@Geo. said:
That's the part I don't understand.
JT is accountable for our results. But somehow Farah is not accountable? He is the captain and our most experienced player, so for mine he is second-highest in the accountability list.
JT has been given 12 months to make the situation better. Farah has been given 13 years. JT has been at the helm for one poor season. Farah has been heavily involved in 9 poor seasons.
I'm not a fan of moving Farah on at all, and I'm not convinced JT is the man to turn this club around.
But after the initial emotion of the news, I have calmed down and accepted that the head coach needs to make whatever decisions he sees fit. Even if you don't agree with those decisions, to start obstructing the boss is to guarantee future turmoil for the club.
If you drop the coach now, as Geo has noted, you show the playing group that when the going gets tough, the coach will be ditched. You remove whatever authority the coach has. How can the coach implement change, enforce game plans or make tough decisions if the player group knows the coach will be first to go in the event of pressure?
The fans are looking for a scapegoat for the bad performance this year. It looks like Farah is that scapegoat, maybe not the one the fans chose, but the fans are demanding changes. Can you really expect that the new coach will cop the axe in the first season, yet Farah would manage to escape culpability for the last 4 bad seasons?
No, that cannot be permitted, and the players have to understand that they do not run the club, they are employees just like everyone else, and the boss is allowed to make unpopular decisions.
Whether or not this is a "PR disaster" is irrelevant. The only reason this is dragging out in the media is because Farah has a high-profile and his team has begun a media campaign to pressure the club. You should not be surprised, any decent player manager will do this in order to get he best result for the player. All the "quiet deals" have occurred because either both parties are happy, or the player did not have enough stock to run a media campaign (not famous or popular or performing well enough). How long would this story last if it was Keith Galloway?
Trust me this would not be half the story it is if Farah was another year or so into his contract, or had been dropped from SOO.
Today's Weedler article is definitely based on player/agent intel, given how transparently it attempts to tarnish the club. Thus it is clear that Farah's minders are mobilising their weaponry in an attempt to weaken the club's position.
The board is clearly behind the coach, which means the player will lose if management stays firm. Division between supporters only helps to ensure that the issue boils on and on.
@gallagher said:
Here they are again the Haters club…
Great to see u lads, still death riding a club legend. Total class....
Funny how u pick the stories out of the papers that support your argument, and pass of the one's that don't as dribble!! Typical.
Check your facts, Canberra offered him a deal but can only afford $250,000 the tigers want more money!
Blair is a front rower/second rower like lewis there are about 7 positions in the top 17 for these positions, as apposed to a hookers position of 1 in the 17 maybe 2 of the bench. Again your arguments are weak. Not a fair analyses of the situation, but hay get on the white robes and lets burn this guy!!!!
U guys really need a life, its one thing to want him gone from the club but to listen to hear say and grind him into the dirt like you are all doing, just shows how pathetic you really are!
I actually am starting to feel sorry for you...
GNR4LIFE
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@lathami said:
You're clearly getting very emotional over something that you have no personal stake in and abusing others with differing opinions because of it and we are the ones that need to get a life?
And seriously, stop with the ''haters'' bs. Are you typing while listening to Miley Cyrus and watching Keeping up with the Kardashians?
@GNR4LIFE said:
Good to see your up to date with the Y gen stuff….
How about u being on every topic hammering farahs reputation..
But yes I am emotionally involved in this club, I go to as many games as I can since the magpie days, love the club!
I do not like people like yourselves bulling your opinions as facts to everyone on hear.
I am sticking up for our captain who has been a loyal servant of the club, Not getting ready for a hanging.
I think it is sad that u guys are so very small...
GNR4LIFE
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@lathami said:
Lmao but you and your Farah loyalist brethren aren't ramming their opinions are they? Oh no, you seem very open to opinions that contrast with yours.
@Tigerspirit said:
Holy cow. Bit over the top dont you think.i actually like Farah and think the whole thing is ugly and i think he has deserved like any genuine champion to finish with WT. However, im certainly aware he and his management are not the complete shellshocked victims either.
Take a deep breath mate.
The process has been totally mis-managed. The club would be aware Farah took a pay-cut and to ask him to leave because his contract now doesn't reflect his market value is a farce.
Its in the interests of WT for Farah to leave and find a job elsewhere however, you are talking about our club captain and best player WT have had. He is contracted and owed money.
If this was a normal workplace Taylor and Go would be sacked for harassment and bullying. The Reserve grade threat is a disgrace to our Jersey, Club and history of Wests Tigers.
They should have advised Farah we are going with youth and planned to promote Cherrington as was the case when Robbie relaxed Darren Senter. At this stage told the man he could look to a stronger club with hopes he could win another premiership whilst we battle for the wooden spoon again next year.
The proviso could have been WT pay $500k otherwise they don't release him and he stays.
The club have leaked character issues and culture problems with Robbie diminishing his value in the marketplace. Go figure putting your car on carsales.com and telling people it breaks down daily.
We are run by absolute Muppets who are owing the PR war to a master in Sam Ayoub.
Its in the interests of WT for Farah to leave and find a job elsewhere however, you are talking about our club captain and best player WT have had. He is contracted and owed money.
If this was a normal workplace Taylor and Go would be sacked for harassment and bullying. The Reserve grade threat is a disgrace to our Jersey, Club and history of Wests Tigers.
They should have advised Farah we are going with youth and planned to promote Cherrington as was the case when Robbie relaxed Darren Senter. At this stage told the man he could look to a stronger club with hopes he could win another premiership whilst we battle for the wooden spoon again next year.
The proviso could have been WT pay $500k otherwise they don't release him and he stays.
The club have leaked character issues and culture problems with Robbie diminishing his value in the marketplace. Go figure putting your car on carsales.com and telling people it breaks down daily.
We are run by absolute Muppets who are owing the PR war to a master in Sam Ayoub.
Pawsandclaws
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I think this is one of the best posts I have read. SMH reports the money owing is $2.1 million.
Wow That Jacob Liddle Kid goes alright…
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Tiger_In_The_Gong
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Great article in the SMH today. It is the same story you have all been told of by Bobo, myself, others with a bit of info to share. Now both news orginisations are reporting the same set of circumstances, a rarity.
Anyone still debating the facts are not of this reality.
Support the club by all means but support of Taylor will be short lived and misplaced.
Anyone still debating the facts are not of this reality.
Support the club by all means but support of Taylor will be short lived and misplaced.
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Tiger_In_The_Gong
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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/wests-tigers-hooker-robbie-farah-victim-of-jason-taylor-power-play-20150829-gjaqj7.html
**<big>Wests Tigers hooker Robbie Farah victim of Jason Taylor power play</big>**
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Robbie Farah was already out of State of Origin III and was having a coffee with a few mates in the bar of the team hotel. Nursing a busted hand, Farah was down in the dumps when the topic of Pat Richards and a deal with French team Catalans came up.
In the group was Farah's agent, Sam Ayoub. Farah turned to his agent and quipped: "You might have to send me there."
The conversation moved on. The French comment was lost on most at the gathering. At that point there was no indication from the Tigers that Farah was a goner. Not publicly anyway.
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But Farah was already feeling he was on the outer. He's been through two major injuries and had surgery. There was no call from coach Jason Taylor to see how the skipper had pulled up. The media has been calling Farah day and night and following his every move. Maybe the coach had been getting his information from the constant updates?
Whatever the case, Farah wasn't feeling the love.
On the last day in July, it was made official. Ayoub met with Taylor and acting Tigers boss Phil Moss. The meeting took place in Ayoub's Leichhardt office and it began with small talk about other clients Ayoub had at the Tigers, before it moved on to Farah.
Taylor said the club needed to move forward, and Ayoub said they needed to pay out Farah's deal. Taylor said that would happen.
It is then that Ayoub had to work out how to tell Farah what he already suspected. By this point, Farah was already being left out of leadership meetings. He had been making plans as a result to quit as Tigers skipper. Farah would wear players complaining to him about Taylor, but felt compromised about whinging to the coach. He had been blamed for the demise of former Tigers coach Mick Potter, and that took a toll on him. Farah believed that to continue at the club he needed to take a back seat.
The Tigers played the Raiders on a Monday night and Ayoub arranged a promotional job for Farah in Canberra and told the club that Farah would make his own way back to Sydney. It was an excuse for Ayoub to have three hours in the car with his client. Again there was small talk before he dumped the news on Farah.
Farah was angry, but not surprised. He was struggling to make sense of what had happened. Farah had spilled blood, won a comp and considered the Tigers home. Just a few weeks earlier, with a busted shoulder, he backed up from Origin and played a game he shouldn't have and broke his hand.
All one-club players talk about their "legacy" and Farah could see his being destroyed; taken away from him by a man who had been in the gig for five minutes; a coach who had been hired after Potter and who had achieved even worse results.
And then it became personal. Farah had taken pay cuts and delayed payments in order to help the club. What is not known is that Farah was owed at least $400,000 from his last contract. He was to be paid the arrears in this contract and it was to be back-ended. Farah deferred the money to help the club, where officials had made a mess of the salary cap and made promises they could not keep.
And, yes, he will get the money now regardless – and it will be more than the $1.9 million that is being touted. It will be a couple of hundred thousand more than that.
Now, without stating the obvious, that money could well have been used for investments, and Farah had to pass on some opportunities during that time.
None of that will worry Taylor. He has told Farah the money will be forthcoming. He just wants Farah out of the club.
It needs to be made very clear that this is a power play from Taylor. He can't make this team his own with a big and challenging character in the team – but surely that is a fault of the coach not the player.
Taylor saw the roster he was getting when he took over. To complain now is like a home owner purchasing a property under a flight path and then whinging about the noise.
Nevertheless, Ayoub had been doing his duty and making contact with teams. He also had a discussion with a senior Tigers official, where he questioned Taylor's approach. Ayoub said he would endeavour to get Farah a start in England in 2017 but, because of the short notice, he would do it tough to get a deal at a club for 2016\. Ayoub thought that an English club might swallow up $500,000 of the debt the Tigers owed Farah – a huge saving for the Tigers – but he needed to operate without the move to oust Farah being made public.
The official said they would have a chat to Taylor – but that clearly didn't work. The news coming out interfered with a potential deal with a Sydney club where Ayoub had been operating on the basis of secrecy.
Ayoub then had a meeting with Farah, Taylor and Rod Reddy where things got heated. Farah was told he would be playing reserve grade and Ayoub labelled Reddy a "dinosaur". Ayoub also made the point that Taylor was using Farah as a scapegoat for his poor season.
At the meeting, Taylor was reminded of his duty to pick on form. At one point, Ayoub got up and ordered Farah to leave the room and the pair ended up walking out on Taylor and Reddy, despite the coach saying the meeting wasn't over. From Ayoub's perspective, there will only be another meeting when Taylor, in Ayoub's opinion, understands the meaning of a playing contract.
"My view is clubs have the right to tell players their time is up, but the spin that has been put out there on this matter is purely disrespectful," Ayoub said. "I'm going through a similar matter with another club but because there is no ego involved we will get a good and fair result for both parties and it will be done without the fuss we have seen here."
That may not be the end of the fury. Taylor's threat to play Farah in second grade could lead to legal action, as there is a requirement in the NRL that players are picked on merit. There is a fair argument that Farah is good enough to play first grade when Laurie Daley says he will play Origin next year. And it's no secret in the Blues camp that Farah is close to Daley's favourite player – if not his outright favourite.
And here is the kicker: Tigers players have told me they have told Farah he has their backing and they want to play with him next year. That will be passed on to Taylor.
**<big>Wests Tigers hooker Robbie Farah victim of Jason Taylor power play</big>**
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Robbie Farah was already out of State of Origin III and was having a coffee with a few mates in the bar of the team hotel. Nursing a busted hand, Farah was down in the dumps when the topic of Pat Richards and a deal with French team Catalans came up.
In the group was Farah's agent, Sam Ayoub. Farah turned to his agent and quipped: "You might have to send me there."
The conversation moved on. The French comment was lost on most at the gathering. At that point there was no indication from the Tigers that Farah was a goner. Not publicly anyway.
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But Farah was already feeling he was on the outer. He's been through two major injuries and had surgery. There was no call from coach Jason Taylor to see how the skipper had pulled up. The media has been calling Farah day and night and following his every move. Maybe the coach had been getting his information from the constant updates?
Whatever the case, Farah wasn't feeling the love.
On the last day in July, it was made official. Ayoub met with Taylor and acting Tigers boss Phil Moss. The meeting took place in Ayoub's Leichhardt office and it began with small talk about other clients Ayoub had at the Tigers, before it moved on to Farah.
Taylor said the club needed to move forward, and Ayoub said they needed to pay out Farah's deal. Taylor said that would happen.
It is then that Ayoub had to work out how to tell Farah what he already suspected. By this point, Farah was already being left out of leadership meetings. He had been making plans as a result to quit as Tigers skipper. Farah would wear players complaining to him about Taylor, but felt compromised about whinging to the coach. He had been blamed for the demise of former Tigers coach Mick Potter, and that took a toll on him. Farah believed that to continue at the club he needed to take a back seat.
The Tigers played the Raiders on a Monday night and Ayoub arranged a promotional job for Farah in Canberra and told the club that Farah would make his own way back to Sydney. It was an excuse for Ayoub to have three hours in the car with his client. Again there was small talk before he dumped the news on Farah.
Farah was angry, but not surprised. He was struggling to make sense of what had happened. Farah had spilled blood, won a comp and considered the Tigers home. Just a few weeks earlier, with a busted shoulder, he backed up from Origin and played a game he shouldn't have and broke his hand.
All one-club players talk about their "legacy" and Farah could see his being destroyed; taken away from him by a man who had been in the gig for five minutes; a coach who had been hired after Potter and who had achieved even worse results.
And then it became personal. Farah had taken pay cuts and delayed payments in order to help the club. What is not known is that Farah was owed at least $400,000 from his last contract. He was to be paid the arrears in this contract and it was to be back-ended. Farah deferred the money to help the club, where officials had made a mess of the salary cap and made promises they could not keep.
And, yes, he will get the money now regardless – and it will be more than the $1.9 million that is being touted. It will be a couple of hundred thousand more than that.
Now, without stating the obvious, that money could well have been used for investments, and Farah had to pass on some opportunities during that time.
None of that will worry Taylor. He has told Farah the money will be forthcoming. He just wants Farah out of the club.
It needs to be made very clear that this is a power play from Taylor. He can't make this team his own with a big and challenging character in the team – but surely that is a fault of the coach not the player.
Taylor saw the roster he was getting when he took over. To complain now is like a home owner purchasing a property under a flight path and then whinging about the noise.
Nevertheless, Ayoub had been doing his duty and making contact with teams. He also had a discussion with a senior Tigers official, where he questioned Taylor's approach. Ayoub said he would endeavour to get Farah a start in England in 2017 but, because of the short notice, he would do it tough to get a deal at a club for 2016\. Ayoub thought that an English club might swallow up $500,000 of the debt the Tigers owed Farah – a huge saving for the Tigers – but he needed to operate without the move to oust Farah being made public.
The official said they would have a chat to Taylor – but that clearly didn't work. The news coming out interfered with a potential deal with a Sydney club where Ayoub had been operating on the basis of secrecy.
Ayoub then had a meeting with Farah, Taylor and Rod Reddy where things got heated. Farah was told he would be playing reserve grade and Ayoub labelled Reddy a "dinosaur". Ayoub also made the point that Taylor was using Farah as a scapegoat for his poor season.
At the meeting, Taylor was reminded of his duty to pick on form. At one point, Ayoub got up and ordered Farah to leave the room and the pair ended up walking out on Taylor and Reddy, despite the coach saying the meeting wasn't over. From Ayoub's perspective, there will only be another meeting when Taylor, in Ayoub's opinion, understands the meaning of a playing contract.
"My view is clubs have the right to tell players their time is up, but the spin that has been put out there on this matter is purely disrespectful," Ayoub said. "I'm going through a similar matter with another club but because there is no ego involved we will get a good and fair result for both parties and it will be done without the fuss we have seen here."
That may not be the end of the fury. Taylor's threat to play Farah in second grade could lead to legal action, as there is a requirement in the NRL that players are picked on merit. There is a fair argument that Farah is good enough to play first grade when Laurie Daley says he will play Origin next year. And it's no secret in the Blues camp that Farah is close to Daley's favourite player – if not his outright favourite.
And here is the kicker: Tigers players have told me they have told Farah he has their backing and they want to play with him next year. That will be passed on to Taylor.
goldcoast_tiger
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@Tiger In The Gong said:
Reality is a pretty short commodity for some here.
GNR4LIFE
Well-known member
And yet no one seems to be addressing Farah's priorities. There's been no talk that he wants to be here beyond this yr to help turn this club around, the only talk is that he wants to stay in the NRL to play another Origin series. So people supporting him are happy for him to put his state in front of his club?
Yeah no spin in that article….when the NEWS came out from Ayoub...
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Tiger_In_The_Gong
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@Geo. said:
Ok Geo keep living in denial.
@Tiger In The Gong said:
Theres people in the community, like some of here, that have a called the situation for what it is.
You now have Balmains AO's and club legends public-all asking the club for an explanation.
meanwhile you have your CEO issuing blatantly false rhetoric to the public.
when i said earlier in the week that player managers had been called -
some of you were …oh you just hate taylor ....you must be bue ryan or moltzen.
the facts are - this incident is a disgrace.
The person who instigated is a disgrace.
the club trying to cover it up - mind blowing disgrace
jnr stars - sironen kids
moses - Ellias
Tedesco, brooks and woods - very close to robbie
older players being shunted - also very very close to robbie.
past players and legends - disgraced by the current coach
playing under coachs structures - cusp of wooden spoooooooon
what do you seriously think is going on here.
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