Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Taken out of context to fit it in with your agenda! GNR compared Stewart's situation at Souths to Farah at WT. Clearly, that is nonsensical.

As for performance, suggest you address Taylor's "game-plan" and the role he had Farah playing.

Culture? Taylor couldn't spell it even if he did understand what it was; never mind imparting it into a club.

Hmmm….why reference Farah's longevity and life membership as a comparison to Stewart? It's irrelevant.

 

[NT_Tiger]

If he said this then he's an …........... but if he didn't say that then it's not him but him that is the ........... Well personally I think.........Yeh well you're an.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9-TDHt7Tco

 

[Tigermama]

I think they are throwing the baby out with the bath water,many excuses have been made this season blaming lack of experience in team, next year we are already without Galloway, Richards, probably Halatau, Probably Farah, probably Ava, if Taylor thinks results are going to improve enough to save his job he is delusional

I'm sure he doesn't. But clearing the decks to be competitive in the player market going into 2017 can help him improve his standing. Everyone is saying next yr is his make or break yr, but it isn't. It's 2017 once he has the team with the additions he wants.

Yes, I am sure if Taylor moves on farah and he kicks on at another club. And we are at the bottom if the comp he will be retained!!!!

Sounds like you are unaware that JT is contracted for 2017\. If you are, I'm not too sure what point you're making.

Contracted ? Didn't realise contracts mattered anymore GNR.

 

[Tigermama]

There is a poster who comes on here now and again,he apparently has "inside knowledge"his name escapes me however , he said Taylor has KPIs in his contract which kick in in round 13 ,2016,failing a miracle and SBW and Sam Burgess and Michael Jennings coming here, he will not make them

What are the KPI's?

How do people know that he will not make them if they do not know what they are? Duh.

If he hasnt backed up all his talk with results, come mid season he will be gone.

Reality of the NRL.

I've heard if he hasn't won more games than he's lost by round 13 , then he'll be gone ….Then in steps Kimmorley !

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Kimmorley ? Please NO. :astonished:

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Contracted ? Didn't realise contracts mattered anymore GNR.

Not to pick on you re this comment, but a lot of posters seem to make this comment.

Contracts DO matter. Just because players can be moved easily should both parties agree, does not mean contracts don't matter. Terms and conditions must be abided by when termination of the contract occurs.

Whilst many could argue that loyality doesn't exist anymore in the way contracts can be terminated mutally , there is now a lot of flexibility for players and clubs to alter their conditions should circumstances change.

As an example, Jarryd Hayne would not have been able to attempt an NFL career without the flexibility allowed in negotiating an exit from Parramatta.

 

[Tigermama]

Glenn Stewart has been told to explore his options by Souths next yr. Wonder if he'll seek legal aide and turn it into a media circus.

Where did you hear this? Even if so Glenn didn't give 12 years of his life to that club, he didn't give up a great amount of money to play for Souths. He will probably be off to Manly next year anyway if true.

No but I'm sure Stuart spent that long at manly.[/quote

And we all know how that played out, when Manly didn't renew his contract.
Division and unhappiness between the playing group, board etc. underperformance on the field and their coach given the flick. 😱pen_mouth:

 

[Tigermama]

If he said this then he's an …........... but if he didn't say that then it's not him but him that is the ........... Well personally I think.........Yeh well you're an.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9-TDHt7Tco

:laughing: That's funny NT :laughing:

 

[Tigermama]

Contracted ? Didn't realise contracts mattered anymore GNR.

Not to pick on you re this comment, but a lot of posters seem to make this comment.

Contracts DO matter. Just because players can be moved easily should both parties agree, does not mean contracts don't matter. Terms and conditions must be abided by when termination of the contract occurs.

Whilst many could argue that loyality doesn't exist anymore in the way contracts can be terminated mutally , there is now a lot of flexibility for players and clubs to alter their conditions should circumstances change.

As an example, Jarryd Hayne would not have been able to attempt an NFL career without the flexibility allowed in negotiating an exit from Parramatta.

I was being sarcastic Gary. :wink: I know a contract is a legally binding agreement.

 

[littletiger]

Glenn Stewart has been told to explore his options by Souths next yr. Wonder if he'll seek legal aide and turn it into a media circus.

Where did you hear this? Even if so Glenn didn't give 12 years of his life to that club, he didn't give up a great amount of money to play for Souths. He will probably be off to Manly next year anyway if true.

No but I'm sure Stuart spent that long at manly.[/quote

And we all know how that played out, when Manly didn't renew his contract.
Division and unhappiness between the playing group, board etc. underperformance on the field and their coach given the flick. 😱pen_mouth:

Hard to compare the two. Manly team consistently made finals each year and the tigers… Well we rebuilding for a while now.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

If you are suggesting that Farah is a reserve grade standard player you have lost all ability to be objective. Its not about being able to drop anyone based on performance - it was being told you will be playing reserve grade if you stay at the club regardless of how you play. In terms of culture if in fact that is true - people have called FARAH a sook over the years - that makes the coach look like the biggest sook of all.

When looking at our current roster, yes he should be playing reserve grade.

Why? The answer is not that Cherrington is a better hooker, it is that we now have two better playmakers in the squad - Brooks and Moses. With their style of play, we don't need a third play maker in the ruck, we just need good, quick service. The net result is that when they are able to take control and receive quick ball, what they provide exceeds that of what Farah provides. Farah's style of play belongs at another club where the half or 5/8 is a running type of player, not a play maker per se.

Farah's service is too slow and takes wrong options. I never realised how much Fara stifles Brooks until the match on the weekend. Brooks and Moses were another class when Farah was off the field.

It's not the first time that Brooks and Moses have played with Cherrington on the field, nothing dramatic has been seen on most of those times.
Are you sure your rusted on hatred of anything Farah does, isn't clouding your judgement.
Cherrington will eventually be our first grade hooker, but if you think he can handle it full time , you are kidding yourself.
Apart from that fact, The team cannot cover Another weak defender while Both the halves are together. We need to buy some forwards who can tackle and hurt, before bringing in another target, he needs another year and a lot of defence work.
Unfortunately we have no one here apparently, who has any success with coaching defence, so it's time we got someone in.

 

[Tigermama]

I wasn't comparing Manly to WT Littletiger. Just stating what happened at their club after Steward got moved on.

 

[TIGERS]

Can you imagine how we would have gone in 2005 if we had a domineering player like Farah is today on the scene??

The club's success was founded by seasoned professionals who could only dream about the kind of money Robbie has even yet to come his way. He'll be making more in a season than some of our legends were making in 5 years.

Mark O'Neill, Ben Galea, John Skandalis, Brett Hodgson. These guys spent years and years and years getting smashed almost every single week but never gave up, never complained and gave everything they had for the club. It didn't matter that the club was a joke, that we were famous for putting fingers in bum holes. It was theirs and Tim Sheens professionalism and experience that were the foundation of the success that Robbie and Benji still dine out on today. All of those legends accepted that once it was time to go… it was time to go. It's happened to Glen Stewart, Anthony Watmough, Luke Lewis and Ryan Hoffman. (And a million other) Robbie seems closer to Sam Ayoub than to the Club he is supposed to lead.

Robbie has played at the Club for 12 years but he was always well paid and looked after by the club. He's been paid more than any Wests Tigers player in history. He has bled and suffered and fought, but that is exactly what he was paid so much money to do. I don't like the way he tries to dress up his service to the club as philanthropy. He wants the club to serve him instead of the other way round.

Where the hell was Robbie's leadership when we failed to close the game down in 2011 finals against the Warriors. Where the hell was Robbie when we threw away all of those 16-20 point leads over the last season. He has lost 2 yards of pace since 2010, goes missing in and after State of Origin, he communicates directly with Board Members, and brought the club into disrepute with what he said to Mick Potter.

He has never EVER said a single positive thing about playing at Campbelltown or the area. I can't recall him ever saying how much he likes playing at Campbelltown. Only cared about "his farewell" at Leichardt. How can he be taken seriously as a captain by implying that his match being played at Campbelltown is a big letdown.

I think his reaction to all of this demonstrates how much this guy is off in his own little delusional messed up fantasy land. He has the concepts of service, entitlement and best interests all backwards.

 

[TrueTiger]

Glad you had some input TIGERS,I dont think your to far off the mark with what you have said,especially our gun players and legends over the years….I did say in another post regarding Robbie in the latter years,when there is a drama involving the club,mostly coaches dramas,he is always in the middle of the blow up in some way....dont know how you see it but it seems to me he gives the board an"its my way or the highway scenario"and this time the board said "see ya" and he dont like it....

 

[fibrodreaming]

I love how people use the term pay cut… When in reality it's probably more apt to say they loaned the club some money for a few years.
He'll be paid in full

that's a terrible example.

he could've used the 400K and invested it in his restaurant, property, given to his family etc. he didn't have to loan it to the WT. however, he CHOSE to invest it in the WT hoping he could stay a one club man and possibly win a premiership here.

agree with the first sentence though- it's definitely not a pay cut and he'll be paid in full regardless of what happens.

AND he could have tested the market for his "real" value… Which based on his form the last 3 years, Would be no where the money he has been getting.

We are the only club that thought Farah is worth 1mil a year.

Benji banging on about taking a pay cut to help the club and all....
Call Martin Tauber and ask him if Benji is making as much at the Dragons this year and last as he would have if he had stayed and saw out his contract with us?

I very much doubt it, We were overpaying him as well....

I don't think anyone is suggesting Robbie is worth the amounts he is contracted to receive in the last two years of his contract.

The interview with former WT chairman Nick Di Girolamo makes it clear that Robbie was owed “a lot of money” by the club before he signed his current contract. Presumably the only explanation for this is that Robbie took pay cuts on his previous contract to help with the salary cap. Benji hinted at this on NRL360.

The club's solution was to pay the amounts owed at the back end of his current contract. As a consequence, the large amounts he is set to receive over the next two years is the sum of his market rate as a player plus the amounts owed from the previous contract.

This explains why the club ignored Potter's advice to offer Robbie a two year contract only. The club couldn't pay Robbie the market rate for his services plus the amounts owing in the first two years of his contract. It would have blown the salary cap.

For the club to find itself in this predicament is an example of financial mismanagement of the highest order.

Robbie would almost have certainly been advised by his manager (who seems like a sharp operator) when he signed the current contract, that to defer large payments for at least three years would mean he is financially disadvantaged, (because he could invest the amounts owed and made a good return).

Perhaps Robbie made the financial sacrifice because it would mean that he could stay with the WT for the remainder of his career. (I'm only speculating.)

Whatever our views about whether Robbie should stay or go, the point remains that he took a financial hit for the club and this should be recognised.

 

[lathami]

If you are suggesting that Farah is a reserve grade standard player you have lost all ability to be objective. Its not about being able to drop anyone based on performance - it was being told you will be playing reserve grade if you stay at the club regardless of how you play. In terms of culture if in fact that is true - people have called FARAH a sook over the years - that makes the coach look like the biggest sook of all.

When looking at our current roster, yes he should be playing reserve grade.

Why? The answer is not that Cherrington is a better hooker, it is that we now have two better playmakers in the squad - Brooks and Moses. With their style of play, we don't need a third play maker in the ruck, we just need good, quick service. The net result is that when they are able to take control and receive quick ball, what they provide exceeds that of what Farah provides. Farah's style of play belongs at another club where the half or 5/8 is a running type of player, not a play maker per se.

Farah's service is too slow and takes wrong options. I never realised how much Fara stifles Brooks until the match on the weekend. Brooks and Moses were another class when Farah was off the field.

Mate, you really have no idea!
I like cherrington great hands and reading of the game is great.
But, he is the size of Moses and look how his size is being hammered in the backs!
U are dreaming he is way to small for NRL, he is a liability in defence. The other teams are already targeting him. Watch the game that u said he was great in, and he was cartwheeled backwoods.
He needs about 12-18 months to build up in size and he will never be big, more like Luke, than farah! With our already increadably small, tiny size team we can't afford another tiny guy in defence.
We need farah for at least another season, or we will be pumped by teams right down the middle!
Don't let your hatred of Farah cloud 'what's really best for the team'.

 

[Snake]

If you are suggesting that Farah is a reserve grade standard player you have lost all ability to be objective. Its not about being able to drop anyone based on performance - it was being told you will be playing reserve grade if you stay at the club regardless of how you play. In terms of culture if in fact that is true - people have called FARAH a sook over the years - that makes the coach look like the biggest sook of all.

When looking at our current roster, yes he should be playing reserve grade.

Why? The answer is not that Cherrington is a better hooker, it is that we now have two better playmakers in the squad - Brooks and Moses. With their style of play, we don't need a third play maker in the ruck, we just need good, quick service. The net result is that when they are able to take control and receive quick ball, what they provide exceeds that of what Farah provides. Farah's style of play belongs at another club where the half or 5/8 is a running type of player, not a play maker per se.

Farah's service is too slow and takes wrong options. I never realised how much Fara stifles Brooks until the match on the weekend. Brooks and Moses were another class when Farah was off the field.

Mate, you really have no idea!
I like cherrington great hands and reading of the game is great.
But, he is the size of Moses and look how his size is being hammered in the backs!
U are dreaming he is way to small for NRL, he is a liability in defence. The other teams are already targeting him. Watch the game that u said he was great in, and he was cartwheeled backwoods.
He needs about 12-18 months to build up in size and he will never be big, more like Luke, than farah! With our already increadably small, tiny size team we can't afford another tiny guy in defence.
We need farah for at least another season, or we will be pumped by teams right down the middle!
Don't let your hatred of Farah cloud 'what's really best for the team'.

He will be ready to go from game one ..6 months in the gym /good diet and the realisation his dreams are going to be answered, the greatest attributes a modern day hooker requires you have highlighted great hands /great passing game and reads the game well .

 

[innsaneink]

Im not sure if he'll be ready for 80- straight though, let alone his size….but weve Halatau too.
maybe the beginning of '17 more like it.
But hes tough...goes a long way

 

[WestsSupporter]

Hopefully he won't be crying on the footy show any time soon. One player doing that is enough for a club's lifetime.

 

[gallagher]

Can you imagine how we would have gone in 2005 if we had a domineering player like Farah is today on the scene??

The club's success was founded by seasoned professionals who could only dream about the kind of money Robbie has even yet to come his way. He'll be making more in a season than some of our legends were making in 5 years.

Mark O'Neill, Ben Galea, John Skandalis, Brett Hodgson. These guys spent years and years and years getting smashed almost every single week but never gave up, never complained and gave everything they had for the club. It didn't matter that the club was a joke, that we were famous for putting fingers in bum holes. It was theirs and Tim Sheens professionalism and experience that were the foundation of the success that Robbie and Benji still dine out on today. All of those legends accepted that once it was time to go… it was time to go. It's happened to Glen Stewart, Anthony Watmough, Luke Lewis and Ryan Hoffman. (And a million other) Robbie seems closer to Sam Ayoub than to the Club he is supposed to lead.

Robbie has played at the Club for 12 years but he was always well paid and looked after by the club. He's been paid more than any Wests Tigers player in history. He has bled and suffered and fought, but that is exactly what he was paid so much money to do. I don't like the way he tries to dress up his service to the club as philanthropy. He wants the club to serve him instead of the other way round.

Where the hell was Robbie's leadership when we failed to close the game down in 2011 finals against the Warriors. Where the hell was Robbie when we threw away all of those 16-20 point leads over the last season. He has lost 2 yards of pace since 2010, goes missing in and after State of Origin, he communicates directly with Board Members, and brought the club into disrepute with what he said to Mick Potter.

He has never EVER said a single positive thing about playing at Campbelltown or the area. I can't recall him ever saying how much he likes playing at Campbelltown. Only cared about "his farewell" at Leichardt. How can he be taken seriously as a captain by implying that his match being played at Campbelltown is a big letdown.

I think his reaction to all of this demonstrates how much this guy is off in his own little delusional messed up fantasy land. He has the concepts of service, entitlement and best interests all backwards.

Thats a great post.

 

[gallagher]

Never been to campletown.