Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[Cultured_Bogan]

:laughing: Now he's responsible for what other people say? So if Kidwell tells a Girl Scout or a pensioner to go root herself we should be stringing up JT?

yes mate.
If JT employed kidwell as a member of his staff and JT took kidwell to the girl scout meeting - and kidwell then said the above mentioned - then absolutely JT would be responsible.

what world are you living in mate.

A world where personal accountability is paramount, instead of fobbing responsibility for what people say onto others where it suits a narrative. Obviously you don't live on that planet.

Todd Payten urinated on a war memorial. Did we sack Sheens over that?

 

[bobo125]

what he earns, the salary cap dramas and everything else some of you keep mentioned…. is actually not his fault or even part of any of this.

Actually, if you recount the clubs dramas over the past few years, the hatchett job on Potter by one Mr Farah was set in motion because of Potters advice that Robbies contract on offer should have only been 2 years…. Now low and behold, after a poor second season, and the full backing of the board, Farah was told he had the option to explore other options. Once again a media poop storm exploded.

Bit difficult to not draw comparisons.

Its not about the club... Its about Robbie.

again - all of that should have been handled at the time by whoever was sitting in the chiefs chair.
the fact the club allowed and paid Brian Smith to write a document that in actual fact was the final bell for potter is something that some of you cleverly miss to include in your dribble.

this particular incident on its own merit -or lack of - is what has 99% of everyone that is anyone within league today supporting Farah and commenting not so positively about JT
but hey - they must ALL be wrong !!!!! ???????

you dont like some journos, you dont like some clubs ceos, you dont seem to actually like anyone that stands up for farah regarding this incident.

passion and frustration has obviously caused a missile in some of heads to misfire because surely none of you can be as silly as some of the comments being made.

 

[Black_n_White]

:laughing: Now he's responsible for what other people say? So if Kidwell tells a Girl Scout or a pensioner to go root herself we should be stringing up JT?

yes mate.
If JT employed kidwell as a member of his staff and JT took kidwell to the girl scout meeting - and kidwell then said the above mentioned - then absolutely JT would be responsible.

what world are you living in mate.

A world where personal accountability is paramount, instead of fobbing responsibility for what people say onto others where it suits a narrative. Obviously you don't live on that planet.

Todd Payten urinated on a war memorial. Did we sack Sheens over that?

dont waste your time CB… why does it stop at JT? surely if we are shifting blame upwards, it should land straight on the NRL for Licencing the Club, who employ the Board, whom in turn employ the CEO, who is directly responsible for the football dept, which is Coached by Taylor.

Bit slack to pick and choose where the buck stops if you ask me

 

[bobo125]

:laughing: Now he's responsible for what other people say? So if Kidwell tells a Girl Scout or a pensioner to go root herself we should be stringing up JT?

yes mate.
If JT employed kidwell as a member of his staff and JT took kidwell to the girl scout meeting - and kidwell then said the above mentioned - then absolutely JT would be responsible.

what world are you living in mate.

A world where personal accountability is paramount, instead of fobbing responsibility for what people say onto others where it suits a narrative. Obviously you don't live on that planet.

Todd Payten urinated on a war memorial. Did we sack Sheens over that?

come on mate - if thats what you think then keep swinging your uneducated bat.

and just to answer your question- if Sheens took Payten to the war memorial - then absolutely he would have been sacked.
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[Cultured_Bogan]

Just think, if Farah and Ayoub hadn't behaved so unprofessionally this all could have gone on behind closed doors…. Only the occasional scripted press release from either party.

This thread would only be 100 pages long in that case.

Yes things weren't always handled as well as could be, but their reaction has turned all this into the media frenzing circus - which won't disappear for at least another 12 months.

I wonder how much Ritchie is paying Robbie for all these exclusives? Seriously, maybe Robbie's had a TPA with NewsCorp all this time, hence to cash in has has to spill the beans, gifting crap journos 'scoops'. And as it's a TPA the club knows nothing about it!

so someone breaks into your house - eats your cat.
you shoot him….
but its all your fault -
you should have offered the guy some milk to digest the cat......

yes mate - thats the level of stupidity this is all at.

You become surplus to what the business deem they want/need and you get moved on. People get paid out their redundancies, upper echelon management get paid out their remaining contract periods. You forget this sport is professional. This happens every day in the real world.

 

[Black_n_White]

what he earns, the salary cap dramas and everything else some of you keep mentioned…. is actually not his fault or even part of any of this.

Actually, if you recount the clubs dramas over the past few years, the hatchett job on Potter by one Mr Farah was set in motion because of Potters advice that Robbies contract on offer should have only been 2 years…. Now low and behold, after a poor second season, and the full backing of the board, Farah was told he had the option to explore other options. Once again a media poop storm exploded.

Bit difficult to not draw comparisons.

Its not about the club... Its about Robbie.

again - all of that should have been handled at the time by whoever was sitting in the chiefs chair.
the fact the club allowed and paid Brian Smith to write a document that in actual fact was the final bell for potter is something that some of you cleverly miss to include in your dribble.

this particular incident on its own merit -or lack of - is what has 99% of everyone that is anyone within league today supporting Farah and commenting not so positively about JT
but hey - they must ALL be wrong !!!!! ???????

you dont like some journos, you dont like some clubs ceos, you dont seem to actually like anyone that stands up for farah regarding this incident.

passion and frustration has obviously caused a missile in some of heads to misfire because surely none of you can be as retarded as some of the comments being made.

you are blinded to the catalyst that set the Smith situation in motion… the erosion of confidence in Potter lay squarely at Robbies feet.

Focusing on independent and isolated situations invariably narrows the view of the greater situation.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

:laughing: Now he's responsible for what other people say? So if Kidwell tells a Girl Scout or a pensioner to go root herself we should be stringing up JT?

yes mate.
If JT employed kidwell as a member of his staff and JT took kidwell to the girl scout meeting - and kidwell then said the above mentioned - then absolutely JT would be responsible.

what world are you living in mate.

A world where personal accountability is paramount, instead of fobbing responsibility for what people say onto others where it suits a narrative. Obviously you don't live on that planet.

Todd Payten urinated on a war memorial. Did we sack Sheens over that?

come on mate - if thats what you think then keep swinging your uneducated bat.

and just to answer your question- if Sheens took Payten to the war memorial - then absolutely he would have been sacked.
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The old "last say" game. Guess what, you're wrong.

I am not discussing this further with you.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

:laughing: Now he's responsible for what other people say? So if Kidwell tells a Girl Scout or a pensioner to go root herself we should be stringing up JT?

yes mate.
If JT employed kidwell as a member of his staff and JT took kidwell to the girl scout meeting - and kidwell then said the above mentioned - then absolutely JT would be responsible.

what world are you living in mate.

A world where personal accountability is paramount, instead of fobbing responsibility for what people say onto others where it suits a narrative. Obviously you don't live on that planet.

Todd Payten urinated on a war memorial. Did we sack Sheens over that?

dont waste your time CB… why does it stop at JT? surely if we are shifting blame upwards, it should land straight on the NRL for Licencing the Club, who employ the Board, whom in turn employ the CEO, who is directly responsible for the football dept, which is Coached by Taylor.

Bit slack to pick and choose where the buck stops if you ask me

Why stop there? The ARLC administer the NRL… This goes all the way to John Grant.

 

[bobo125]

:laughing: Now he's responsible for what other people say? So if Kidwell tells a Girl Scout or a pensioner to go root herself we should be stringing up JT?

yes mate.
If JT employed kidwell as a member of his staff and JT took kidwell to the girl scout meeting - and kidwell then said the above mentioned - then absolutely JT would be responsible.

what world are you living in mate.

A world where personal accountability is paramount, instead of fobbing responsibility for what people say onto others where it suits a narrative. Obviously you don't live on that planet.

Todd Payten urinated on a war memorial. Did we sack Sheens over that?

dont waste your time CB… why does it stop at JT? surely if we are shifting blame upwards, it should land straight on the NRL for Licencing the Club, who employ the Board, whom in turn employ the CEO, who is directly responsible for the football dept, which is Coached by Taylor.

Bit slack to pick and choose where the buck stops if you ask me

the funny thing here Black'n'white is - you may have actually unwittingly answered your own statement.

the buck does not stop at 1 person when their is a major incident.
it always does filter through to the top.
The NRL itself is as astounded as most at how the "club" could create this problem.
How the club has then handled this problem and how the club is moving forward.
Pascoe is very well aware of this as are the board.

dont be fooled into thinking WT are safe from the NRL.
this is two historical clubs that have now spiraled into a rabble
people want to joke or pass off the fact that WT may dissolve into MAGPIES only and or be shifted to perth.

 

[bobo125]

yes mate.
If JT employed kidwell as a member of his staff and JT took kidwell to the girl scout meeting - and kidwell then said the above mentioned - then absolutely JT would be responsible.

what world are you living in mate.

A world where personal accountability is paramount, instead of fobbing responsibility for what people say onto others where it suits a narrative. Obviously you don't live on that planet.

Todd Payten urinated on a war memorial. Did we sack Sheens over that?

dont waste your time CB… why does it stop at JT? surely if we are shifting blame upwards, it should land straight on the NRL for Licencing the Club, who employ the Board, whom in turn employ the CEO, who is directly responsible for the football dept, which is Coached by Taylor.

Bit slack to pick and choose where the buck stops if you ask me

Why stop there? The ARLC administer the NRL… This goes all the way to John Grant.

mate - you are just a straight up winner.
i vote for you !

 

[bobo125]

Just think, if Farah and Ayoub hadn't behaved so unprofessionally this all could have gone on behind closed doors…. Only the occasional scripted press release from either party.

This thread would only be 100 pages long in that case.

Yes things weren't always handled as well as could be, but their reaction has turned all this into the media frenzing circus - which won't disappear for at least another 12 months.

I wonder how much Ritchie is paying Robbie for all these exclusives? Seriously, maybe Robbie's had a TPA with NewsCorp all this time, hence to cash in has has to spill the beans, gifting crap journos 'scoops'. And as it's a TPA the club knows nothing about it!

so someone breaks into your house - eats your cat.
you shoot him….
but its all your fault -
you should have offered the guy some milk to digest the cat......

yes mate - thats the level of stupidity this is all at.

You become surplus to what the business deem they want/need and you get moved on. People get paid out their redundancies, upper echelon management get paid out their remaining contract periods. You forget this sport is professional. This happens every day in the real world.

yes mate - not 1 sane person has disagreed with this point ! !

its the manner in which it was done.
which has been and is the issue.

 

[hammertime]

Just think, if Farah and Ayoub hadn't behaved so unprofessionally this all could have gone on behind closed doors…. Only the occasional scripted press release from either party.

This thread would only be 100 pages long in that case.

Yes things weren't always handled as well as could be, but their reaction has turned all this into the media frenzing circus - which won't disappear for at least another 12 months.

I wonder how much Ritchie is paying Robbie for all these exclusives? Seriously, maybe Robbie's had a TPA with NewsCorp all this time, hence to cash in has has to spill the beans, gifting crap journos 'scoops'. And as it's a TPA the club knows nothing about it!

so someone breaks into your house - eats your cat.
you shoot him….
but its all your fault -
you should have offered the guy some milk to digest the cat......

yes mate - thats the level of stupidity this is all at.

Just to add your your interesting analogy bobo, we all are investors in that house and instead of using a single bullet, the owner of the house invites a mate, lets call him sam, and they both go in with a tank and a rocket launcher and take off the back half of the house leaving it in a ruin.

Now we're all sad and angry because we've all been through years of pain and suffering to rebuild the house (although with some ongoing repair work needed) from the last time the two did it. Then the time before that.

They could have easily fixed the issue by talking to the cat eater calmly to stop eating cats or escalate the issue to the 'cops' by explaining that this cat eating is causing you grief.

There are better ways to resolve issues by becoming grown up enough to realize you can't keep doing the same thing, expecting a different result. In fact, that's the definition of stupidity. The problem sometimes lies elsewhere.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Just think, if Farah and Ayoub hadn't behaved so unprofessionally this all could have gone on behind closed doors…. Only the occasional scripted press release from either party.

This thread would only be 100 pages long in that case.

Yes things weren't always handled as well as could be, but their reaction has turned all this into the media frenzing circus - which won't disappear for at least another 12 months.

I wonder how much Ritchie is paying Robbie for all these exclusives? Seriously, maybe Robbie's had a TPA with NewsCorp all this time, hence to cash in has has to spill the beans, gifting crap journos 'scoops'. And as it's a TPA the club knows nothing about it!

so someone breaks into your house - eats your cat.
you shoot him….
but its all your fault -
you should have offered the guy some milk to digest the cat......

yes mate - thats the level of stupidity this is all at.

You become surplus to what the business deem they want/need and you get moved on. People get paid out their redundancies, upper echelon management get paid out their remaining contract periods. You forget this sport is professional. This happens every day in the real world.

yes mate - not 1 sane person has disagreed with this point ! !

its the manner in which it was done.
which has been and is the issue.

In which it was done? The club kept it behind closed doors until Farah's grub manager blew it up to the media! Apart from what Rocket said, which he was subsequently sacked for, up until Farah requested a release how did the club act unconscionably toward Farah?

The media circus lays at the feet of Ayoub, and by extension, Farah. You can slice that any which way you like, blame the club for it until you're blue in the face, but that is the reality of the situation.

 

[bobo125]

so someone breaks into your house - eats your cat.
you shoot him….
but its all your fault -
you should have offered the guy some milk to digest the cat......

yes mate - thats the level of stupidity this is all at.

You become surplus to what the business deem they want/need and you get moved on. People get paid out their redundancies, upper echelon management get paid out their remaining contract periods. You forget this sport is professional. This happens every day in the real world.

yes mate - not 1 sane person has disagreed with this point ! !

its the manner in which it was done.
which has been and is the issue.

In which it was done? The club kept it behind closed doors until Farah's grub manager blew it up to the media! Apart from what Rocket said, which he was subsequently sacked for, up until Farah requested a release how did the club act unconscionably toward Farah?

The media circus lays at the feet of Ayoub, and by extension, Farah. You can slice that any which way you like, blame the club for it until you're blue in the face, but that is the reality of the situation.

wow- if only this would have all been kept behind closed doors.. it would have been totally acceptable hey.

mate,
you told me good !
real good mate.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It would have been except someone decided to go the power play and chuck a tantrum because the club dared try to move him on.

 

[Black_n_White]

Just think, if Farah and Ayoub hadn't behaved so unprofessionally this all could have gone on behind closed doors…. Only the occasional scripted press release from either party.

This thread would only be 100 pages long in that case.

Yes things weren't always handled as well as could be, but their reaction has turned all this into the media frenzing circus - which won't disappear for at least another 12 months.

I wonder how much Ritchie is paying Robbie for all these exclusives? Seriously, maybe Robbie's had a TPA with NewsCorp all this time, hence to cash in has has to spill the beans, gifting crap journos 'scoops'. And as it's a TPA the club knows nothing about it!

so someone breaks into your house - eats your cat.
you shoot him….
but its all your fault -
you should have offered the guy some milk to digest the cat......

yes mate - thats the level of stupidity this is all at.

You become surplus to what the business deem they want/need and you get moved on. People get paid out their redundancies, upper echelon management get paid out their remaining contract periods. You forget this sport is professional. This happens every day in the real world.

yes mate - not 1 sane person has disagreed with this point ! !

its the manner in which it was done.
which has been and is the issue.

And here lies the fault in the crux of your entire argument…

The whole circus was a tool of Ayoub and Farah to run us into the mud. They alone put it in the papers, they alone were unprofessional.

Club stalwarts from many clubs have been moved on mid contract, Luke Lewis and Jennings from Penrith in recent memory... all done without the media fanfare created by Ayoub and co... the offer to pay a large portion of their salaries upon moving on, exactly the same.

So when you boil it down, your entire argument is Rod Reddy, who has since been removed. A single sentence.

Few would call the rising monster, Penrith, under the guidance of Gould as unprofessional, so why is asking Farah to look elsewhere, a carbon copy of the Penrith plays with 2 Origin stars any less professional?

If you objectively look at the media circus, its not the club... If you objectively look at the act of trying to move on a stalwart, its not the first time, it wont be the last time, and the offer to shore up the agreed contract value is no different to the entire business world deems as professional standards.

The only difference this time around that makes it look amateur is the press coverage.

So if you dont like "the manner in which it was done", look to the only glaring difference, the only party that hasnt acted in what would even be remotely considered a professional manner. Because as for acceptable standards of practice, which in the real world is set by precedent, we have carbon copied the precedents of Clubs that have been accepted as professional... bar a single sentence which wouldnt have seen the light of day bar the action of whom leaking it?

 

[bobo125]

It would have been except someone decided to go the power play and chuck a tantrum because the club dared try to move him on.

hahahahahaha !

mate that comment is just gold if you and others truly believe that !!!

 

[rialto]

How many more times do people need to be told that Farah would have never been financially worse off? He had a contract with us and if he moved on he would have been paid out whatever shortfall remained from a new club's offer. Seems to be a regular reason dredged up for Farah digging in the heels. The club owed him the money he was contracted for, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court so they'd pay it out which they've reiterated more than once.

The only reason why he dug in is because he doesn't want to go. It was going to be handled away from the media and when Farah wasn't going to be able to negotiate his way into staying, his manager went public. The media crapstorm is a result of a d*** move by Farah's management, not the club. The only thing they did wrong was that an employee no longer with the club made an inappropriate comment about playing in reserve grade.

Didn't want to go because he knew at every other club, where he is no longer number one, he would have to stop his unacceptable bad attitude and be prepared to take orders like every other player on the field . Like it or not this is NOT HIS CLUB to do what he wants with. He is an employee and paid very handsomely to do his job as prescribed !!

 

[bobo125]

@Black'n'White:
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And here lies the fault in the crux of your entire argument…

The whole circus was a tool of Ayoub and Farah to run us into the mud. They alone put it in the papers, they alone were unprofessional.

Club stalwarts from many clubs have been moved on mid contract, Luke Lewis and Jennings from Penrith in recent memory... all done without the media fanfare created by Ayoub and co... the offer to pay a large portion of their salaries upon moving on, exactly the same.

So when you boil it down, your entire argument is Rod Reddy, who has since been removed. A single sentence.

Few would call the rising monster, Penrith, under the guidance of Gould as unprofessional, so why is asking Farah to look elsewhere, a carbon copy of the Penrith plays with 2 Origin stars any less professional?

If you objectively look at the media circus, its not the club... If you objectively look at the act of trying to move on a stalwart, its not the first time, it wont be the last time, and the offer to shore up the agreed contract value is no different to the entire business world deems as professional standards.

The only difference this time around that makes it look amateur is the press coverage.

So if you dont like "the manner in which it was done", look to the only glaring difference, the only party that hasnt acted in what would even be remotely considered a professional manner. Because as for acceptable standards of practice, which in the real world is set by precedent, we have carbon copied the precedents of Clubs that have been accepted as professional... bar a single sentence which wouldnt have seen the light of day bar the action of whom leaking it?
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keep swinging B&W

i and all the other commentators and stakeholders in the game must all be wrong.
we must be !
its simple … all of us are wrong in our assessment of this situation.
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i get it now
farah and his manager are trying to run the club into the ground and
its the medias fault for "making us look amateur"

 

[Black_n_White]

keep swinging B&W

i and all the other commentators and stakeholders in the game must all be wrong.
we must be !
its simple … all of us are wrong in our assessment of this situation.

nice… bringing hear-say to a fact fight !

not suprised in the slightest your fantasy buckles under the weight of reality.