LIVE GAME Round 14 vs. Raiders

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TieDye said:
You keep referencing ‘systemic’ cheating and rigging against us whereas the only accusations levelled with forms of proof on here are of subconscious bias and big-team mentality. This quite obviously affects some more than others and Klein is guilty. You’re the only one banging on about a conspiracy.

We’re talking about mere psychology.

I’m not sure that you understand what the majority of us are saying - that it’s clearly causing anti-WT results and sentiment. You continue to come back with questions such as: "why though?" - it’s not for me to prove that you’re dumber?

Also doesn’t in any way reflect me not meeting some standard of explanation regarding my own personal opinions on referees/human nature.

You must be ignorant to argue that?

Our collective opinion is wrong purely because you disagree, without any proof!
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No.
Sour grapes do not equal evidence. You and yours are making the accusations. Your opinions are thin and subject to criticism.
Why does that make you so upset?
 
Tucker said:
No.
Sour grapes do not equal evidence. You and yours are making the accusations. Your opinions are thin and subject to criticism.
Why does that make you so upset?
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It’s not a thin opinion when you’ll resort to the need for calling us victims and sheep. You can’t make a valid point in support of your denial other than it’s probably unlikely.

You’ve even said yourself you’re inclined to believe that we’re usually on the wrong end and if even one of these mistakes turned out to be deliberate, then you’d be on here crying…
 
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TieDye said:
We’re not TALKING about ‘bad calls’ sometimes. This is probably as simply as I can put it. We’re witnessing many many minor indiscretions by the bunker and referees who are paid far too much money to deny any culpability (and they haven’t). You’re the only one mate!
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The referees are not being restocked with the best talent. They have a problem with their recruitment. That’s it’s own problem and a different argument.
How this equates to only our club suffering is what I’m questioning and you are failing superbly in your futile attempts to create any argument justifying it.
 
TieDye said:
It’s not a thin opinion when you’ll resort to the need for calling us victims and ‘sheep’. You can’t make a valid point in support of your claims (denial) other than it’s probably unlikely.

You’ve even said yourself you’re inclined to believe that we’re usually on the wrong end and if even one of these mistakes turned out to be deliberate, then you’d be on here crying…
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Yes and if it occurs I will be, and I did the other night.
You and others claim this most times we lose. You are a victim.
 
TieDye said:
True in this case and of several prior incidents involving Wests Tigers. Lmao
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The awarding of the Raiders 3rd try, although incorrect in hindsight, was not the defining reason we lost that game. 70 minutes of ineptitude in attack played a larger part. Giving away the charge down penalty played its role. Panicking at the end played it’s role as well.
Singling out one incident, 30 minutes from the finish of the game as the sole reason we lost, as some are doing, and ignoring that we managed to come home strong and lead the game with 3 and a bit minutes left is not accurate.

If you go on the Wests Tigers website, there are interviews upon full time. The dork Tigers interviewer with the glasses is trying to get both Luke and Api to agree with him that they were robbed. Neither agreed and both pointed out that we weren’t good enough when it mattered. They are right.
 
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Tucker said:
That would be nice, considering we have only won 3 and it’s round 15 this week lol…
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If you read a couple of posts I've made in this and another thread I draw a line between rounds 1-7 and rounds 8-14 .Our first half no arguments we were awful but 2nd half im saying we won 3 out of 6 and morally 4 out of 6 with a very close loss to Manly and 1 poor game vs Souths
 
Stevec said:
I'm getting tired of Refs or Bunker making bad calls that cost us the game .Annessley clearly states their 3rd try should have been no try . As such we scored 3 legal trys to their 2 tries . This is a FACT if that error hadn't occurred we win the game !!!
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Please... If that try got disallowed who’s to say the final score would have been 19-12? There was still 30 odd minutes to go, anything could have happened. Unless it happened in the last 10 seconds of the game it’s not a “fact” we would have won at all.

Stevec said:
A record thrashing of Cowboys who just scored 45 pts against Storm ,and with correct calls would have ended Raiders 6 game winning streak
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*1 game winning streak.
 
Telltails said:
The push in the back is a no try every day of the week. It was blatant to the spectators and there for the video ref to rewind over and over again. No discretion needed it is a deadset penalty and yet resulted in 6 points to Canberra.
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My biggest gripe with the call was both Sutton and Gee in the bunker did not know the rule. They said Brooks stopped so he was entitled to be bowled over. He is 100% entitled to stop and with the kick heading once again straight at the post he was probably covering the possibility that the ball would rebound his way, especially after the other try.

I agree all teams get crook calls, but it would appear the bottom teams get more than their fair share. Anyway once again the Sutton boys screw up big time
 
TieDye said:
A horrendous mistake, it may have been. They literally changed the entire rule book to take away a win last year after full-time.

It was a technically not previously present in the game that they were forced to commit to as part of a post-game NRL effort - through refs ass./media - to create the illusion of two possible outcomes (in the Cowboys game) when in the moment it’s clear as day there isn’t.

The Wests Tigers were stripped a win AFTER full-time by a bit of creative direction through the bunker and again, involving one Ashley Klein and they were hammered pillar to post. Kasey Badger’s husband for example recently moved on from his post at our club…
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Cowboys were offside from the kick-off. It starts and finishes there. Bunker totally missed it.
 
Stevec said:
I'm getting tired of Refs or Bunker making bad calls that cost us the game .Annessley clearly states their 3rd try should have been no try . As such we scored 3 legal trys to their 2 tries . This is a FACT if that error hadn't occurred we win the game !!!
They don't make such critical errors against the glamour clubs.
I repeat since round 7 we have a good team beat Penrith ,Dragons , lost a close one 3 tries all to Manly .A record thrashing of Cowboys who just scored 45 pts against Storm ,and with correct calls would have ended Raiders 6 game winning streak .We have only one black spot in this period that's the souths game wheras our defence good holding the red hot Cody Latrell attack to one try for 70 odd minutes but ran out of gas in the last 10 mins and couldn't get our attack to finish off a lot of promising breaks that night
Last 6 games should have won 4 and unlucky close loss in one and one poor game
Not so bad . If we keep team together we will win a lot more games this year
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I get your frustration, but you can’t just deduct the try off the final score and say we win.

What if we received a penalty, don’t find touch and they run 50m to score on the first play? What if we drop it on first tackle and they score anyway? Unlikely, but we’ll never know.
 
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weststigers said:
I get your frustration, but you can’t just deduct the try off the final score and say we win.

What if we received a penalty, don’t find touch and they run 50m to score on the first play? What if we drop it on first tackle and they score anyway? Unlikely, but we’ll never know.
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Its got to be a bad error when Annesley in his Monday review comes out and says point blank it should have been no try .Yes who knows what happens in last 30 mins but I'm just assessing our form after round 7 and if Raiders continued their big winning streak then morally that's maybe just as unlikely .I'm saying we've won 3 maybe could have been 4 and one close loss to manly out of our last 6 games
I think we've improved a huge amount lately I felt we were rubbish thru first 7 rounds but even that was not like the horrors of the back end of last season
 
Stevec said:
Its got to be a bad error when Annesley in his Monday review comes out and says point blank it should have been no try .Yes who knows what happens in last 30 mins but I'm just assessing our form after round 7 and if Raiders continued their big winning streak then morally that's maybe just as unlikely .I'm saying we've won 3 maybe could have been 4 and one close loss to manly out of our last 6 games
I think we've improved a huge amount lately I felt we were rubbish thru first 7 rounds but even that was not like the horrors of the back end of last season
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We have better personnel in this side and it’s at relative full strength. We have less dead wood from previous recruitment blunders. We have stronger coaching staff.
The team at the end of last year was merely the shadow of a first grade side.
It suffered poor roster, many injuries, and had to use guys we ordinarily wouldn’t have used due to management releasing first grade talent during the season and not replacing them. It also had no coach.
Despite that, we are on the same amount of wins.
 
Stevec said:
Its got to be a bad error when Annesley in his Monday review comes out and says point blank it should have been no try .Yes who knows what happens in last 30 mins but I'm just assessing our form after round 7 and if Raiders continued their big winning streak then morally that's maybe just as unlikely .I'm saying we've won 3 maybe could have been 4 and one close loss to manly out of our last 6 games
I think we've improved a huge amount lately I felt we were rubbish thru first 7 rounds but even that was not like the horrors of the back end of last season
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Sure mate, I don’t think anyone disagrees that it was a bad error by the bunker.

I don’t think anyone disagrees we are playing pretty well starting from the Parra game.

I was only talking about the hypothetical situation where the try is disallowed in that moment. We can’t really say it would have directly led to a win. We really don’t know what would have happened. There’s no use taking isolated moments in the game and saying 20-6 = 14, therefore the score would have been 19-14 to Tigers….WE WERE ROBBED!!! It doesn’t work that way.
 
Stevec said:
Its got to be a bad error when Annesley in his Monday review comes out and says point blank it should have been no try .Yes who knows what happens in last 30 mins but I'm just assessing our form after round 7 and if Raiders continued their big winning streak then morally that's maybe just as unlikely .I'm saying we've won 3 maybe could have been 4 and one close loss to manly out of our last 6 games
I think we've improved a huge amount lately I felt we were rubbish thru first 7 rounds but even that was not like the horrors of the back end of last season
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They weren't on a big winning streak. Their win streak was a grand total of 1.
 
Frosty said:
They weren't on a big winning streak. Their win streak was a grand total of 1.
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Yes sorry they won 6 out of last 7 before us
Interesting before that streak panthers put 9 tries on them (panthers only 1 against us)
Manly broke their streak with 8 tries on them ( manly only 3 against us )
 
weststigers said:
I get your frustration, but you can’t just deduct the try off the final score and say we win.

What if we received a penalty, don’t find touch and they run 50m to score on the first play? What if we drop it on first tackle and they score anyway? Unlikely, but we’ll never know.
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My biggest issue is it seems to happen to us so often and barely ever in our favour. You don’t really see calls like that go against teams like roosters storm etc. This instance was clear as day how the bunker didn’t pick up on it amazes me, even the wakeham one was very iffy in my opinion and I strongly believe if it was the other way around we would have been penalised on both occasions
 
carltonleach said:
My biggest issue is it seems to happen to us so often and barely ever in our favour. You don’t really see calls like that go against teams like roosters storm etc. This instance was clear as day how the bunker didn’t pick up on it amazes me, even the wakeham one was very iffy in my opinion and I strongly believe if it was the other way around we would have been penalised on both occasions
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Yeah we don’t seem to get any howlers going our way. The officials let a lot go on Friday, no doubt.
 
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