TEAM LIST Round 22 vs Bulldogs

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Jolls said:

Game Plan to defeat the Dogs?​

Canterbury wpay simialr style to the Riff and currently boast the best defence in the NRL. Their structure is disciplined, compact, and rolling; built around Ciraldo’s Penrith‑style system whare fast moving forwards and swarm the threat.

The Dogs are elite defensively centre‑to‑centre; however, we know that Galvin is an arm grabber and is suspect under sustained pressure. We also have threats on both wings so can utlilise them early in attack to take the energy out of their mobile pack.

Identified Defensive Weaknesses​

  • Galvin has been exposed in edge misreads.
  • The compressed nature of their defensive line exposes them on quick shifts to the outside backs.
  • Winning the ruck and shifting quickly can catch the edge defenders narrow or fatigued.
  • Fast shifts can unlock the edges before they can slide enabling the edges to be stripped of numbers.

Identified Attacking Weaknesses​

  • Their attack is structured but can be predictable.
  • They rely on forward roll-ons and Burton bombs which does limit their flexibility.
  • Galvin when pressured does make errors; however, he also takes chances that do come off so the application of too much pressure is also a risk.
  • the Dogs lack spark in second-phase play — they have few offloads and unpredictable movements.
We usally struggle to win the ruck; however, with the smaller Dogs pack we should be able to maintain parity and and with effort win the ruck at times. When we win the ruck we must be on the ball to capitalise on quick PTBs to compress the defence then shift quickly to take advantage of this.

Attack​


Early Set
  • Play tight for first 2-3 tackles to force Bulldogs to compress.
  • Quick play-the-balls through the middle are key to unlocking their edges.
Aim: Force the markers/edges into overcommitting, allowing our ball-players to shift quickly.

Shift
  • Structure the shifts with Bula sweeping to pressure the edges, especially Galvin who is prone to over read the play.
  • Critter and Xeri are good defenders so the opportunity will come when they are engaged. Use our edges to commit the defence and isolate Galvin back oneither the inside against the grain winger to enable Taruva/Skelton/Bula space.
  • Cut-out, double lead runners and inside balls should be effective plays.
Aim: Target the areas where they leak the most points.

Kicking Game
  • Use a combination of early kicks to get in behind the compressed defence to slow their defensive line and create space to attack.
  • Kick long to space or high to the kick chase to limit return meterage.
  • In the red zone force repeat sets rather than bombs; the Dogs defend bombs well but their highly mobile defense can suffer from fatigue when sets are stacked.
Aim: Disrupt the defensive pattern

Momentum Change
  • Early kicks/touch finders to maintain or slow tempo as required. Play the game at our pace - not theirs.
  • Use bench impact to change tempo as needed.
  • Shift on early tackles after a momentum plays—especially off a long break or quick PTB. Royce Hunt can be the game changer this week.
Aim: We control the tempo

Defence​

  • Compress in the middle third, but be ready to slide if Burton/Galvin shift early.
  • Edge defence is critcal - this is the Dogs strength. Strong communication and trust in the system is required. We can not afford to shoot out of the line - be quick off the line but commit to what is happening not what is perceived.
  • Make them go the long way and fatigue the forwards by having to support a wide attacking structure.
Aim: Frustrate the attack and force (Galvin especially) to push the pass and capitalise on the mistakes.

To defeat the dogs we need to control the tempo of the game. They are a highly mobile team so the game will not be won in the first 20 minutes; however, if we have them constantly moving to counter our attack we have the ability to change momentum, compress the defence and take advantage of our strike players. This week is about patience; we have the troops to compete with them if we play smart.

That's my crack. How would you guys play it?
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Please email this to BM.
Love your work, Jolls.
 
Jolls said:

Game Plan to defeat the Dogs?​

Canterbury wpay simialr style to the Riff and currently boast the best defence in the NRL. Their structure is disciplined, compact, and rolling; built around Ciraldo’s Penrith‑style system whare fast moving forwards and swarm the threat.

The Dogs are elite defensively centre‑to‑centre; however, we know that Galvin is an arm grabber and is suspect under sustained pressure. We also have threats on both wings so can utlilise them early in attack to take the energy out of their mobile pack.

Identified Defensive Weaknesses​

  • Galvin has been exposed in edge misreads.
  • The compressed nature of their defensive line exposes them on quick shifts to the outside backs.
  • Winning the ruck and shifting quickly can catch the edge defenders narrow or fatigued.
  • Fast shifts can unlock the edges before they can slide enabling the edges to be stripped of numbers.

Identified Attacking Weaknesses​

  • Their attack is structured but can be predictable.
  • They rely on forward roll-ons and Burton bombs which does limit their flexibility.
  • Galvin when pressured does make errors; however, he also takes chances that do come off so the application of too much pressure is also a risk.
  • the Dogs lack spark in second-phase play — they have few offloads and unpredictable movements.
We usally struggle to win the ruck; however, with the smaller Dogs pack we should be able to maintain parity and and with effort win the ruck at times. When we win the ruck we must be on the ball to capitalise on quick PTBs to compress the defence then shift quickly to take advantage of this.

Attack​


Early Set
  • Play tight for first 2-3 tackles to force Bulldogs to compress.
  • Quick play-the-balls through the middle are key to unlocking their edges.
Aim: Force the markers/edges into overcommitting, allowing our ball-players to shift quickly.

Shift
  • Structure the shifts with Bula sweeping to pressure the edges, especially Galvin who is prone to over read the play.
  • Critter and Xeri are good defenders so the opportunity will come when they are engaged. Use our edges to commit the defence and isolate Galvin back oneither the inside against the grain winger to enable Taruva/Skelton/Bula space.
  • Cut-out, double lead runners and inside balls should be effective plays.
Aim: Target the areas where they leak the most points.

Kicking Game
  • Use a combination of early kicks to get in behind the compressed defence to slow their defensive line and create space to attack.
  • Kick long to space or high to the kick chase to limit return meterage.
  • In the red zone force repeat sets rather than bombs; the Dogs defend bombs well but their highly mobile defense can suffer from fatigue when sets are stacked.
Aim: Disrupt the defensive pattern

Momentum Change
  • Early kicks/touch finders to maintain or slow tempo as required. Play the game at our pace - not theirs.
  • Use bench impact to change tempo as needed.
  • Shift on early tackles after a momentum plays—especially off a long break or quick PTB. Royce Hunt can be the game changer this week.
Aim: We control the tempo

Defence​

  • Compress in the middle third, but be ready to slide if Burton/Galvin shift early.
  • Edge defence is critcal - this is the Dogs strength. Strong communication and trust in the system is required. We can not afford to shoot out of the line - be quick off the line but commit to what is happening not what is perceived.
  • Make them go the long way and fatigue the forwards by having to support a wide attacking structure.
Aim: Frustrate the attack and force (Galvin especially) to push the pass and capitalise on the mistakes.

To defeat the dogs we need to control the tempo of the game. They are a highly mobile team so the game will not be won in the first 20 minutes; however, if we have them constantly moving to counter our attack we have the ability to change momentum, compress the defence and take advantage of our strike players. This week is about patience; we have the troops to compete with them if we play smart.

That's my crack. How would you guys play it?
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Hopefully the inclusion of Hunt and a possible change up of the middle rotation can bring better results. I didnt understand it when his seemingly effective use was altered, first to come on late against the donkeys, then starting, and dropped when those changes failed, but happy to see something that looked to be working might be resurrected on Sunday.
 
innsaneink said:
If we could defend like them... and Penrith... win the ruck and wrestle in attack and defense like them and Penrith.. then i would agree.
But i think thats a big reason why we can't go with them.
This gets them on the front foot giving their halves time and space.
That would help Luai produce his best game for us imo more than having Bula back.
Its been doing my head in seeing Turuva get halfway thru time and time again only lack of genuine speed causing him to get caught...still, glad Jahreem is back and looking forward to seeing how.we go but i predict it will be a carbon copy of the penrith game - they make 60m/set we make 30
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Comparing player for player I don’t think there is a great deal of difference in the playing rosters (maybe 2nd row/centre dogs have an advantage), but it’s in the effort areas that the Tigers are lacking
Line speed
Wrestle
Kick chase
 
IMO all season Benji has been prepared to make selection decisions based on effort and performance whilst bringing players who have earnt debuts on where he can. Posters are on his case about certain selections but we don’t know the whole story behind any player’s training performance or fitness really.
Examples like Staines or Hunt being demoted are all about standards in performance and effort benchmarks. Benji hasn’t been afraid to exclude guys all season if he has felt he has to.
Some selections of players who are under injury clouds are being made because realistically we have no depth and the next man up is not ready to play NRL.
Benji is being bashed for trying things, even changes during games, when it’s not working, and also equally bashed for not making changes.
Some of the proposed player selections by posters on here are completely unrealistic. We have a squad that has some glaring flaws and lack of depth. We are carrying many players that aren’t top 8 material. The weak links have cost us dearly in many games.
Benji isn’t coaching player’s to drop bombs or throw crap passes, make bad reads, play with poor discipline or not give 100%. This is on the players.
Saying it’s Benji’s team now and all his recruitments and retentions is not entirely accurate. Richo and him have made huge changes to the roster we had 2 seasons ago, but you can’t turn around the state of our roster in 2 seasons - it’s evolving well, we need to be patient.
How many coaches do we need to have in a decade plus, to realise that maybe blaming the coach for everything isn’t quite right!
There are some highly experienced and qualified coaches right now with far better rosters than ours who have won less games this season. Look at Bennett - injuries have forced the bunnies to play reserve grade players and without the NRL quality they are running last. Even the Panthers earlier this season couldn’t win without their stars.
The fact is, if you don’t have enough of the consistent high quality NRL players across the field every week you will struggle to make the 8 against the other 16 teams who are all trying to do so.
 
Jolls said:

Game Plan to defeat the Dogs?​

Canterbury play similar style to the Riff and currently boast the best defence in the NRL. Their structure is disciplined, compact, and rolling; built around Ciraldo’s Penrith‑style system where fast moving forwards that swarm the threat.

The Dogs are elite defensively centre‑to‑centre; however, we know that Galvin is an arm grabber and is suspect under sustained pressure. We also have threats on both wings so can utlilise them early in attack to take the energy out of their mobile pack.

Identified Defensive Weaknesses​

  • Galvin has been exposed in edge misreads.
  • The compressed nature of their defensive line exposes them on quick shifts to the outside backs.
  • Winning the ruck and shifting quickly can catch the edge defenders narrow or fatigued.
  • Fast shifts can unlock the edges before they can slide enabling the edges to be stripped of numbers.

Identified Attacking Weaknesses​

  • Their attack is structured but can be predictable.
  • They rely on forward roll-ons and Burton bombs which does limit their flexibility.
  • Galvin when pressured does make errors; however, he also takes chances that do come off so the application of too much pressure is also a risk.
  • the Dogs lack spark in second-phase play — they have few offloads and unpredictable movements.
We usaully struggle to win the ruck; however, with the smaller Dogs pack we should be able to maintain parity and and with effort win the ruck at times. When we win the ruck we must be on the ball to capitalise on quick PTBs to compress the defence then shift quickly to take advantage of this.

Attack​


Early Set
  • Play tight for first 2-3 tackles to force Bulldogs to compress.
  • Quick play-the-balls through the middle are key to unlocking their edges.
Aim: Force the markers/edges into overcommitting, allowing our ball-players to shift quickly.

Shift
  • Structure the shifts with Bula sweeping to pressure the edges, especially Galvin who is prone to over read the play.
  • Critter and Xeri are good defenders so the opportunity will come when they are engaged. Use our edges to commit the defence and isolate Galvin. Play eitheer back on the inside against the grain at Galvin or skip to the winger to enable Taruva/Skelton/Bula space.
  • Cut-out, double lead runners and inside balls should be effective plays.
Aim: Target the areas where they leak the most points.

Kicking Game
  • Use a combination of early kicks to get in behind the compressed defence to slow their defensive line and create space to attack.
  • Kick long to space or high to the kick chase to limit return meterage.
  • In the red zone force repeat sets rather than bombs; the Dogs defend bombs well but their highly mobile defense can suffer from fatigue when sets are stacked.
Aim: Disrupt the defensive pattern

Momentum Change
  • Early kicks/touch finders to maintain or slow tempo as required. Play the game at our pace - not theirs.
  • Use bench impact to change tempo as needed.
  • Shift on early tackles after a momentum plays—especially off a long break or quick PTB. Royce Hunt can be the game changer this week.
Aim: We control the tempo

Defence​

  • Compress in the middle third, but be ready to slide if Burton/Galvin shift early.
  • Edge defence is critcal - this is the Dogs attacking strength. Strong communication and trust in the system is required. We can not afford to shoot out of the line - be quick off the line but commit to what is happening not what is perceived.
  • Make them go the long way and fatigue the forwards by having to support a wide attacking structure.
Aim: Frustrate the attack and force (Galvin especially) to push the pass and capitalise on the mistakes.

To defeat the dogs we need to control the tempo of the game. They are a highly mobile team so the game will not be won in the first 20 minutes; however, if we have them constantly moving to counter our attack we have the ability to change momentum, compress the defence and take advantage of our strike players. This week is about patience; we have the troops to compete with them if we play smart.

That's my crack. How would you guys play it?
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Agree Jolls, I also see dogs never fail to capitalise on second phase play....whenever they get an offload or a pass hits the deck and scrambles the defensive line, they immediately shift the ball out to their centres or Kikau on the edge...we need to be ready for this. I have noticed our guys switch off once they think a player is contained and either turn their backs or are flat footed in the defensive line.....they need to stay switched on to cover that shift. This game for the tigers will be as much about staying mentally alert as putting the physical effort in.
 
Tim Sheens said:
Hopefully the inclusion of Hunt and a possible change up of the middle rotation can bring better results. I didnt understand it when his seemingly effective use was altered, first to come on late against the donkeys, then starting, and dropped when those changes failed, but happy to see something that looked to be working might be resurrected on Sunday.
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If you look at his performance trajectory in NSW Cup, it may have been the best thing for him to get dropped and come back in a bit leaner and hungrier...I guess we will know on Sunday.
 
TheEnz said:
Agree Jolls, I also see dogs never fail to capitalise on second phase play....whenever they get an offload or a pass hits the deck and scrambles the defensive line, they immediately shift the ball out to their centres or Kikau on the edge...we need to be ready for this. I have noticed our guys switch off once they think a player is contained and either turn their backs or are flat footed in the defensive line.....they need to stay switched on to cover that shift. This game for the tigers will be as much about staying mentally alert as putting the physical effort in.
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Spot on - we need to be switched on in attack and defence - one to do exactly the same to them off quick PTB and secondly to counter them. They are where they are for a reason, but there are chinks in the armour.
 
Bruiser said:
Motivation of the squad should not be a problem for us.... game ONE V's Brat-fink. if he takes on the line hit him hard but fair. First sign of any aggression towards Galvin will prompt heaps of push and shove lead by Mahoney... don't get sucked in guys!!
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I have watched (death ridden) him closely over his last few games and he only gets involved when there is a quick shift and the dogs are on the front foot. Never takes a dirty hit up or gets involved when they are in the grind. This is the main difference between how they are using him and how he played for us. Is also well protected in defence with Critta on that right hand side, makes nowhere near the amount of tackles he did with us and is often second or third man in. We need to get him in first contact.
 
My main concern is its well known Skelton struggles under the high ball, Burton will be putting massive bombs up targeting him. If Skelton isn't up to it, they will carve him up all night.
 
some people are jumping the gun if they think our 25-starting spine, suddenly reappearing will fix things .If we loose every remaining game by 8 pts , im stoked .As long as we finish the year playing/jelling as a team
 
TheEnz said:
I have watched (death ridden) him closely over his last few games and he only gets involved when there is a quick shift and the dogs are on the front foot. Never takes a dirty hit up or gets involved when they are in the grind. This is the main difference between how they are using him and how he played for us. Is also well protected in defence with Critta on that right hand side, makes nowhere near the amount of tackles he did with us and is often second or third man in. We need to get him in first contact.
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You hit the nail on the head on that edge. What I am about to write is easy to type but difficult to do. If we can shift quckly and play flat enough to engage Critta with Bula on a decoy sweep there is an opportunity to bring an edge back against the grain off an inside ball to target the inside shoulder of their edge that could get somone one on one with in that gap.

The art of deception is to show them what they want to see - so play to their strength and have someone swing aound late and deep to run Y line off our edge. AD is probably the right guy to run that play and link back up in the middle. If they do turn you can hit Bula and if Critta sticks cut him and hit the wing.

That's the eyes up footy we need to see - playing eyes up within structure. It is where the money is.
 
Merlot said:
some people are jumping the gun if they think our 25-starting spine, suddenly reappearing will fix things .If we loose every remaining game by 8 pts , im stoked .As long as we finish the year playing/jelling as a team
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Realistically id like to think.we could win two...maybe three more.
Just gotta get back to doing what was working earliern in the year but this is thenpointy end now most teams will be priming...we need to get back on an upward curve we are currently dipping
 
Flippedy said:
We seem to have no clue how to attack this year, no real kicking game or set plays, no idea how to play together as a team lately, so I think we might be in trouble playing the best defensive team in the comp.
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Have mentioned this a few times but our intent in games is negative and the good positive teams feed off it.

If we attack our bombs, we run hard and direct instead of pause at the line or jink then run, we number up and defend together. Then this creates a different dynamic for us.
 
I didn’t think there would be a dogs player more unlikeable than Mahoney but Galvin takes the cake, a friendly fire head clash where they both get ruled cat 1 early would be a pretty decent outcome
 
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