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swag_tiger said:
Looks like Sunday's game will be a sellout with only 1000 tickets as of this morning. Nothing better then a full house at the 8th wonder.
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Sold out now. I have a few mates who weren't able to get tickets.

If anyone has spares they want to sell, DM me.

Also, I heard that if you become a member you can get a ticket. Anyone know more about this possibility?
 
ancient_magpie said:
Somebody who actually misses Seyfarth thatl do me.
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Yes, I actually miss Seyfarth.
What's more I pumped this into ChatGPT to see if I was talking crap, OR if a crap language engine would back what I am saying?

"Here’s a data-driven, 2025-only comparison of Wests Tigers middles, split by role. I’ve pulled season totals from publicly available stat tables and converted them to simple per-game rates so you can see “role shape” at a glance.

Props / Front Row (8, 10 + bench props)​

  • Terrell May (PR) — 21 GP
    ~170 run m/g, 20 runs/g, 42 tackles/g, 2.8 offloads/g, 2.8 tackle breaks/g, ~2.9 missed/g. Big metre-eater with second-phase; among the most productive Tigers forwards for yardage and offloads. Zero Tackle
  • Alex Twal (PR) — 23 GP
    ~81 run m/g, 9.7 runs/g, 34.8 tackles/g, 0.2 offloads/g, 1.2 TB/g, ~1.0 missed/g. Classic workhorse: high defensive volume/efficiency, low errors and penalties, limited second-phase. Zero Tackle
  • Sione Fainu (PR) — 13 GP
    ~109 run m/g, 10.7 runs/g, 32.5 tackles/g, 0.4 offloads/g, 2.1 TB/g, ~2.9 missed/g. Carries with punch; decent tackle breaks for his minutes, but a bit looser in D than Twal. Zero Tackle
  • Samuela Fainu (PR) — 18 GP
    ~80 run m/g, 9.1 runs/g, 30.1 tackles/g, 0.1 offloads/g, 1.5 TB/g, ~3.3 missed/g. Similar workrate to Sione but with more defensive lapses. Zero Tackle
  • Alex Seyfarth (PR) — 12 GP
    ~70 run m/g, 7.8 runs/g, 34.2 tackles/g, ~0 offloads/g, 1.6 TB/g, ~1.6 missed/g. Solid “numbers tighthead”: tidy defender, lower ruck output than the top rotation. Zero Tackle
  • Royce Hunt (PR) — 13 GP
    ~106 run m/g, 11.1 runs/g, 20.4 tackles/g, 0.5 offloads/g, 2.0 TB/g, ~1.4 missed/g. Impact profile: strong carry/second-phase, lower defensive volume. (Listed with Tigers in the 2025 stats ledger.) Zero Tackle

What that says about the “front row” unit​

  • Yardage leaders: Terrell May >>> Sione Fainu ≈ Royce Hunt.
  • Defensive engines: Twal (clearly) → Seyfarth; May also shoulders solid volume.
  • Second-phase: May (high) → Hunt (medium) → others (low).
  • Discipline/Efficiency: Twal best (low misses, low penalties/errors); May’s volume comes with more errors than Twal, but still excellent value per carry. Zero Tackle+3Zero Tackle+3Zero Tackle+3

Lock (13)​

  • Charlie Murray (LK) — 4 GP
    ~20.5 run m/g, 2.5 runs/g, 10.8 tackles/g, low errors — small-minute cameos rather than a full-time lock load. Zero Tackle
  • Kit Laulilii (LK) — 2 GP
    ~30.5 run m/g, 5 runs/g, 24 tackles/g in very limited time; also cameo usage. Zero Tackle
  • Adam Doueihi (shifted to lock mid-season)
    Club-confirmed positional switch around Round 20 (and he’s bounced around since); season stat pages list him as a half/utility, so lock-only splits aren’t published the same way. Still, the move explains the light “pure lock” ledger above. Wests Tigers+1

Big picture (2025)​

  • Props/front row are carrying the middle: May has been the Tigers’ premier metre + offload threat; Twal and Seyfarth stabilise the ruck with tidy defence; the Fainu brothers/Hunt add punch and line-speed pressure but with more defensive variance. Zero Tackle+3Zero Tackle+3Zero Tackle+3
  • Lock has been “by committee”: Mostly bench minutes for specialist LKs, with Doueihi and others rotated into 13 at times to change the ball-playing/links — a tactical choice rather than a single 80-minute lock. Wests Tigers

Notes on the numbers​

  • Source tables: 2025 season cumulative player stats (runs AR, run metres ARM, tackles TK, missed MT, offloads OL, tackle breaks TB, minutes, etc.). I converted to per-game rates for comparability. Zero Tackle
  • Team list/context for the lock shuffle is from the club’s official Round-20 and later announcements. Wests Tigers+1
If you want, I can also normalise these to per-80 (rates scaled by minutes) and chart “metres/80 vs tackles/80” to show each middle’s role on a two-axis plot.

You said:​

please normalise the above and chart the result

ChatGPT said:​


Here’s the per-80 normalised chart for the Wests Tigers’ 2025 front-rowers and locks:
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  • X-axis = Run Metres/80 (yardage output)
  • Y-axis = Tackles/80 (defensive workrate)
You can see clear role separation:

  • Terrell May sits top-right: elite in both metres and tackles.
  • Alex Twal and Seyfarth cluster high on tackles but lower metres (classic grinders).
  • Royce Hunt pushes big metres/80 with lower defensive load (impact prop profile).
  • Sione Fainu balances metres and tackles but with more missed tackles than Twal.
  • Locks (Murray, Laulilii) are low-minutes in 2025 → suppressed outputs even when scaled.
Would you like me to also chart discipline/creativity metrics (missed tackles & offloads per 80) to show efficiency vs second-phase play?

TLDR: Seyfarth is a low run meter but high tackling Prop that can cross the line.
Heck he beats Terrell May in tackles! Can't fault that work rate.
 
crazycat said:
Yes, I actually miss Seyfarth.
What's more I pumped this into ChatGPT to see if I was talking crap, OR if a crap language engine would back what I am saying?

"Here’s a data-driven, 2025-only comparison of Wests Tigers middles, split by role. I’ve pulled season totals from publicly available stat tables and converted them to simple per-game rates so you can see “role shape” at a glance.

Props / Front Row (8, 10 + bench props)​

  • Terrell May (PR) — 21 GP
    ~170 run m/g, 20 runs/g, 42 tackles/g, 2.8 offloads/g, 2.8 tackle breaks/g, ~2.9 missed/g. Big metre-eater with second-phase; among the most productive Tigers forwards for yardage and offloads. Zero Tackle
  • Alex Twal (PR) — 23 GP
    ~81 run m/g, 9.7 runs/g, 34.8 tackles/g, 0.2 offloads/g, 1.2 TB/g, ~1.0 missed/g. Classic workhorse: high defensive volume/efficiency, low errors and penalties, limited second-phase. Zero Tackle
  • Sione Fainu (PR) — 13 GP
    ~109 run m/g, 10.7 runs/g, 32.5 tackles/g, 0.4 offloads/g, 2.1 TB/g, ~2.9 missed/g. Carries with punch; decent tackle breaks for his minutes, but a bit looser in D than Twal. Zero Tackle
  • Samuela Fainu (PR) — 18 GP
    ~80 run m/g, 9.1 runs/g, 30.1 tackles/g, 0.1 offloads/g, 1.5 TB/g, ~3.3 missed/g. Similar workrate to Sione but with more defensive lapses. Zero Tackle
  • Alex Seyfarth (PR) — 12 GP
    ~70 run m/g, 7.8 runs/g, 34.2 tackles/g, ~0 offloads/g, 1.6 TB/g, ~1.6 missed/g. Solid “numbers tighthead”: tidy defender, lower ruck output than the top rotation. Zero Tackle
  • Royce Hunt (PR) — 13 GP
    ~106 run m/g, 11.1 runs/g, 20.4 tackles/g, 0.5 offloads/g, 2.0 TB/g, ~1.4 missed/g. Impact profile: strong carry/second-phase, lower defensive volume. (Listed with Tigers in the 2025 stats ledger.) Zero Tackle

What that says about the “front row” unit​

  • Yardage leaders: Terrell May >>> Sione Fainu ≈ Royce Hunt.
  • Defensive engines: Twal (clearly) → Seyfarth; May also shoulders solid volume.
  • Second-phase: May (high) → Hunt (medium) → others (low).
  • Discipline/Efficiency: Twal best (low misses, low penalties/errors); May’s volume comes with more errors than Twal, but still excellent value per carry. Zero Tackle+3Zero Tackle+3Zero Tackle+3

Lock (13)​

  • Charlie Murray (LK) — 4 GP
    ~20.5 run m/g, 2.5 runs/g, 10.8 tackles/g, low errors — small-minute cameos rather than a full-time lock load. Zero Tackle
  • Kit Laulilii (LK) — 2 GP
    ~30.5 run m/g, 5 runs/g, 24 tackles/g in very limited time; also cameo usage. Zero Tackle
  • Adam Doueihi (shifted to lock mid-season)
    Club-confirmed positional switch around Round 20 (and he’s bounced around since); season stat pages list him as a half/utility, so lock-only splits aren’t published the same way. Still, the move explains the light “pure lock” ledger above. Wests Tigers+1

Big picture (2025)​

  • Props/front row are carrying the middle: May has been the Tigers’ premier metre + offload threat; Twal and Seyfarth stabilise the ruck with tidy defence; the Fainu brothers/Hunt add punch and line-speed pressure but with more defensive variance. Zero Tackle+3Zero Tackle+3Zero Tackle+3
  • Lock has been “by committee”: Mostly bench minutes for specialist LKs, with Doueihi and others rotated into 13 at times to change the ball-playing/links — a tactical choice rather than a single 80-minute lock. Wests Tigers

Notes on the numbers​

  • Source tables: 2025 season cumulative player stats (runs AR, run metres ARM, tackles TK, missed MT, offloads OL, tackle breaks TB, minutes, etc.). I converted to per-game rates for comparability. Zero Tackle
  • Team list/context for the lock shuffle is from the club’s official Round-20 and later announcements. Wests Tigers+1
If you want, I can also normalise these to per-80 (rates scaled by minutes) and chart “metres/80 vs tackles/80” to show each middle’s role on a two-axis plot.

You said:​

please normalise the above and chart the result

ChatGPT said:​


Here’s the per-80 normalised chart for the Wests Tigers’ 2025 front-rowers and locks:
View attachment 26906
  • X-axis = Run Metres/80 (yardage output)
  • Y-axis = Tackles/80 (defensive workrate)
You can see clear role separation:

  • Terrell May sits top-right: elite in both metres and tackles.
  • Alex Twal and Seyfarth cluster high on tackles but lower metres (classic grinders).
  • Royce Hunt pushes big metres/80 with lower defensive load (impact prop profile).
  • Sione Fainu balances metres and tackles but with more missed tackles than Twal.
  • Locks (Murray, Laulilii) are low-minutes in 2025 → suppressed outputs even when scaled.
Would you like me to also chart discipline/creativity metrics (missed tackles & offloads per 80) to show efficiency vs second-phase play?

TLDR: Seyfarth is a low run meter but high tackling Prop that can cross the line.
Heck he beats Terrell May in tackles! Can't fault that work rate.
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adding too this is the defensive analysis:
Here’s the Creativity vs Defensive Risk chart (per-80 normalised):

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  • X-axis = Offloads/80 (attacking creativity, second-phase potential)
  • Y-axis = Missed Tackles/80 (defensive risk)

Key takeaways:​


  • Terrell May — very high offloads but also higher missed tackles: high-risk, high-reward.
  • Royce Hunt — moderate offloads with controlled missed tackles: impact without huge defensive downside.
  • Sione Fainu — middling offloads but relatively high missed tackles → looser defensively.
  • Alex Twal & Seyfarth — extremely low offloads, very tidy defensively: safe, low-variance forwards.
  • Samuela Fainu — low offloads, but surprisingly higher missed tackles → workmanlike but not as efficient.
  • Locks (Murray, Laulilii) — essentially no offload game, low missed tackles (due to small-minute roles).

  • This shows how May drives second-phase play but at the cost of defensive solidity, while Twal/Seyfarth are the safety-first anchors.

 
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