Round 8 Game Thread *Spoilers*

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Question for someone statistically minded out there: can anyone recall WT ever getting a game gifted to us with a game-sealing penalty? In our 20 years I cannot even recall a single one.

I can't think of one either. I do remember losing a game to the Raiders in golden point from a penalty.

And the one vs Broncos early last year.

 

[happy_tiger]

As close to a pro foul as you could d get..probably shoulda been binned.

You don't reckon players should be forced to get to their feet before playing the ball though? Not just in this instance but in the NRL in general. The PTB's are an absolute mess as far as abiding by the rules of playing the ball goes. It needs to be cleaned up and refereed strictly to prevent a game being absolutely gift-wrapped to a team when the penalty could've easily gone either way.

If course I do but in this instance I also feel the shove contributed to him having the ball on the ground before he could get to his feet.... If we slowed everything down and scrutinised everything with a microscope you'd probably find you could award several penalties every play every game

I agree with ink. Clear-cut penalty, there can't be any complaints.

It was not a 6-again call, because it caused a break-down in play (lost ball) and it was a professional foul, because it was performed with intent to stop a scoring opportunity. Friend knew it as soon as he pushed the guy.

Finucane got to one foot before he placed the ball down, and only the push prevented his other leg being lifted.

Finucane never got to his feet at all before he put the ball on the ground.
Which game of ours this year was it when Thompson/Nofoaluma? got pinged at a critical time for not getting to their feet? It wasn't even as blatant as last nights one. Certain teams will get the continued rub of the green where others most definitely do not. Even skidmark Bellamy conceded "we might have got a bit lucky at the end" in his press conference.
Storm seem to get quite a few games gifted to them on the back of a penalty right in front to end the contest. Last night, last year vs Knights.....
Question for someone statistically minded out there: can anyone recall WT ever getting a game gifted to us with a game-sealing penalty? In our 20 years I cannot even recall a single one.

Canberra game in golden point back in the late 2000's we were lucky to get a penalty ...

That ended the game? A gift-wrapped victory?

yep

 

[The-moP]

Too right we got pinged in one of our early season games for one of our players placing the ball on the ground before not getting to their feet .. but this happens just about in all games but they dont blow penalties for it .. JUST against us .. !! .. blatant conspiracy against us i swear .. !! ;-)

 

[JD Tiger]

As close to a pro foul as you could d get..probably shoulda been binned.

You don't reckon players should be forced to get to their feet before playing the ball though? Not just in this instance but in the NRL in general. The PTB's are an absolute mess as far as abiding by the rules of playing the ball goes. It needs to be cleaned up and refereed strictly to prevent a game being absolutely gift-wrapped to a team when the penalty could've easily gone either way.

If course I do but in this instance I also feel the shove contributed to him having the ball on the ground before he could get to his feet.... If we slowed everything down and scrutinised everything with a microscope you'd probably find you could award several penalties every play every game

I agree with ink. Clear-cut penalty, there can't be any complaints.

It was not a 6-again call, because it caused a break-down in play (lost ball) and it was a professional foul, because it was performed with intent to stop a scoring opportunity. Friend knew it as soon as he pushed the guy.

Finucane got to one foot before he placed the ball down, and only the push prevented his other leg being lifted.

Put your black , white and tangerine jocks everyone ..if that happened to us and we didn't get a penalty it would torches and pitchforks time

I know I've seen that happen to us, our hooker raises his arms in the air, and he ref has called 'milking'... Not to decide a game though.

 

[JD Tiger]

As close to a pro foul as you could d get..probably shoulda been binned.

You don't reckon players should be forced to get to their feet before playing the ball though? Not just in this instance but in the NRL in general. The PTB's are an absolute mess as far as abiding by the rules of playing the ball goes. It needs to be cleaned up and refereed strictly to prevent a game being absolutely gift-wrapped to a team when the penalty could've easily gone either way.

If course I do but in this instance I also feel the shove contributed to him having the ball on the ground before he could get to his feet.... If we slowed everything down and scrutinised everything with a microscope you'd probably find you could award several penalties every play every game

I agree with ink. Clear-cut penalty, there can't be any complaints.

It was not a 6-again call, because it caused a break-down in play (lost ball) and it was a professional foul, because it was performed with intent to stop a scoring opportunity. Friend knew it as soon as he pushed the guy.

Finucane got to one foot before he placed the ball down, and only the push prevented his other leg being lifted.

Put your black , white and tangerine jocks everyone ..if that happened to us and we didn't get a penalty it would torches and pitchforks time

I know I've seen that happen to us, our hooker raises his arms in the air, and he ref has called 'milking'... Not to decide a game though.

But yes @happy_tiger, I'm sure it happens to all teams, I'm only interested in Tigers so I don't see the rest.

 

[jirskyr]

Finucane never got to his feet at all before he put the ball on the ground.

Yes he did, I went back and watched it.

He steps onto his left foot, extends the left leg, places the ball towards the ground, pushes up with his right knee. As he does this, Friend pushes him in the shoulder before his right leg extends; Finucane cannot help but continue to place the ball down, but the force prevents him extending his right leg and he tips over to his RHS. Go watch it yourself.

He is entitled to play the ball this way.

The law states:
>The tackled player shall:
>a . without delay regain his feet where he is tackled
>b . lift the ball clear of the ground
>c . face his opponent’s goal line
>d . place the ball on the ground, and make a genuine attempt to play the ball with the foot while maintaining balance.
>Section 11 (10) (b)

It doesn't say anywhere that he has to be standing upright or have both legs extended. It doesn't even say he cannot place the ball on the ground before he is standing. So long as he has "regained his feet", which could be subject to interpretation, but at least means that he's got both feet planted and, per (d), has balance.

What I will grant is that the referees tend to apply discretion on what point a player has placed the ball down vs standing up, when the is an indiscretion in the ruck. So if you are totally standing upright and then place the ball, you are more likely to be awarded the infringement than if you have placed the ball down when still crouching.

 

[jirskyr]

As close to a pro foul as you could d get..probably shoulda been binned.

You don't reckon players should be forced to get to their feet before playing the ball though? Not just in this instance but in the NRL in general. The PTB's are an absolute mess as far as abiding by the rules of playing the ball goes. It needs to be cleaned up and refereed strictly to prevent a game being absolutely gift-wrapped to a team when the penalty could've easily gone either way.

If course I do but in this instance I also feel the shove contributed to him having the ball on the ground before he could get to his feet.... If we slowed everything down and scrutinised everything with a microscope you'd probably find you could award several penalties every play every game

I agree with ink. Clear-cut penalty, there can't be any complaints.

It was not a 6-again call, because it caused a break-down in play (lost ball) and it was a professional foul, because it was performed with intent to stop a scoring opportunity. Friend knew it as soon as he pushed the guy.

Finucane got to one foot before he placed the ball down, and only the push prevented his other leg being lifted.

Put your black , white and tangerine jocks everyone ..if that happened to us and we didn't get a penalty it would torches and pitchforks time

I agree, that's a real litmus test - how would you feel if it involved Tigers?

 

[jirskyr]

He steps onto his left foot, extends the left leg, places the ball towards the ground, pushes up with his right knee. As he does this, Friend pushes him in the shoulder before his right leg extends; Finucane cannot help but continue to place the ball down, but the force prevents him extending his right leg and he tips over to his RHS. Go watch it yourself.

Here is the screencap

Finucane is attempting to get his right leg up and Friend is pushing down on him; the ball hasn't been placed yet.

It is the responsibility of Friend to "immediately release" the player in possession after completion of the tackle. Which he does not. By whatever mechanism you want to scrutinise Finucane's PTB, and I maintain the rule does not say you cannot place the ball before you are standing, Friend fails to release the player and goes as far as to push the player in the act of attempting to play the ball.

 

[Tiger5150]

As close to a pro foul as you could d get..probably shoulda been binned.

You don't reckon players should be forced to get to their feet before playing the ball though? Not just in this instance but in the NRL in general. The PTB's are an absolute mess as far as abiding by the rules of playing the ball goes. It needs to be cleaned up and refereed strictly to prevent a game being absolutely gift-wrapped to a team when the penalty could've easily gone either way.

If course I do but in this instance I also feel the shove contributed to him having the ball on the ground before he could get to his feet.... If we slowed everything down and scrutinised everything with a microscope you'd probably find you could award several penalties every play every game

I agree with ink. Clear-cut penalty, there can't be any complaints.

It was not a 6-again call, because it caused a break-down in play (lost ball) and it was a professional foul, because it was performed with intent to stop a scoring opportunity. Friend knew it as soon as he pushed the guy.

Finucane got to one foot before he placed the ball down, and only the push prevented his other leg being lifted.

Finucane never got to his feet at all before he put the ball on the ground.
Which game of ours this year was it when Thompson/Nofoaluma? got pinged at a critical time for not getting to their feet? It wasn't even as blatant as last nights one. Certain teams will get the continued rub of the green where others most definitely do not. Even skidmark Bellamy conceded "we might have got a bit lucky at the end" in his press conference.
Storm seem to get quite a few games gifted to them on the back of a penalty right in front to end the contest. Last night, last year vs Knights.....
Question for someone statistically minded out there: can anyone recall WT ever getting a game gifted to us with a game-sealing penalty? In our 20 years I cannot even recall a single one.

It was Nofo and it was a clear penalty

 

[Geo]

As close to a pro foul as you could d get..probably shoulda been binned.

You don't reckon players should be forced to get to their feet before playing the ball though? Not just in this instance but in the NRL in general. The PTB's are an absolute mess as far as abiding by the rules of playing the ball goes. It needs to be cleaned up and refereed strictly to prevent a game being absolutely gift-wrapped to a team when the penalty could've easily gone either way.

If course I do but in this instance I also feel the shove contributed to him having the ball on the ground before he could get to his feet.... If we slowed everything down and scrutinised everything with a microscope you'd probably find you could award several penalties every play every game

I agree with ink. Clear-cut penalty, there can't be any complaints.

It was not a 6-again call, because it caused a break-down in play (lost ball) and it was a professional foul, because it was performed with intent to stop a scoring opportunity. Friend knew it as soon as he pushed the guy.

Finucane got to one foot before he placed the ball down, and only the push prevented his other leg being lifted.

Finucane never got to his feet at all before he put the ball on the ground.
Which game of ours this year was it when Thompson/Nofoaluma? got pinged at a critical time for not getting to their feet? It wasn't even as blatant as last nights one. Certain teams will get the continued rub of the green where others most definitely do not. Even skidmark Bellamy conceded "we might have got a bit lucky at the end" in his press conference.
Storm seem to get quite a few games gifted to them on the back of a penalty right in front to end the contest. Last night, last year vs Knights.....
Question for someone statistically minded out there: can anyone recall WT ever getting a game gifted to us with a game-sealing penalty? In our 20 years I cannot even recall a single one.

It was Nofo and it was a clear penalty

That they decided to inforce one time since 1927..

 

[JC99]

As close to a pro foul as you could d get..probably shoulda been binned.

You don't reckon players should be forced to get to their feet before playing the ball though? Not just in this instance but in the NRL in general. The PTB's are an absolute mess as far as abiding by the rules of playing the ball goes. It needs to be cleaned up and refereed strictly to prevent a game being absolutely gift-wrapped to a team when the penalty could've easily gone either way.

If course I do but in this instance I also feel the shove contributed to him having the ball on the ground before he could get to his feet.... If we slowed everything down and scrutinised everything with a microscope you'd probably find you could award several penalties every play every game

I agree with ink. Clear-cut penalty, there can't be any complaints.

It was not a 6-again call, because it caused a break-down in play (lost ball) and it was a professional foul, because it was performed with intent to stop a scoring opportunity. Friend knew it as soon as he pushed the guy.

Finucane got to one foot before he placed the ball down, and only the push prevented his other leg being lifted.

Finucane never got to his feet at all before he put the ball on the ground.
Which game of ours this year was it when Thompson/Nofoaluma? got pinged at a critical time for not getting to their feet? It wasn't even as blatant as last nights one. Certain teams will get the continued rub of the green where others most definitely do not. Even skidmark Bellamy conceded "we might have got a bit lucky at the end" in his press conference.
Storm seem to get quite a few games gifted to them on the back of a penalty right in front to end the contest. Last night, last year vs Knights.....
Question for someone statistically minded out there: can anyone recall WT ever getting a game gifted to us with a game-sealing penalty? In our 20 years I cannot even recall a single one.

It was Nofo and it was a clear penalty

That they decided to inforce one time since 1927..

Exactly... it’s technically a penalty but I can’t remember another time it’s been enforced besides that

 

[hobbo1]

If we were the Rorters last night this forum would’ve crashed

 

[bathursttiger1]

Bellamy must be wondering how he can hang onto Momo next year!


Where are all the Momo knockers now, especially the one that basically called me a drunk and scarecrow lover, for wanting Momo back here.

I’m here. He did nothing all game and then scored a try at the end that Elton John could have scored. BJ and Mbye are far better centres.

Agree
Momo was average all game with poor defensive reads ..Jennings would’ve scored that try .

I knew that there was a secret Jennings lover on here.

 

[bathursttiger1]

As close to a pro foul as you could d get..probably shoulda been binned.

You don't reckon players should be forced to get to their feet before playing the ball though? Not just in this instance but in the NRL in general. The PTB's are an absolute mess as far as abiding by the rules of playing the ball goes. It needs to be cleaned up and refereed strictly to prevent a game being absolutely gift-wrapped to a team when the penalty could've easily gone either way.

If course I do but in this instance I also feel the shove contributed to him having the ball on the ground before he could get to his feet.... If we slowed everything down and scrutinised everything with a microscope you'd probably find you could award several penalties every play every game

I agree with ink. Clear-cut penalty, there can't be any complaints.

It was not a 6-again call, because it caused a break-down in play (lost ball) and it was a professional foul, because it was performed with intent to stop a scoring opportunity. Friend knew it as soon as he pushed the guy.

Finucane got to one foot before he placed the ball down, and only the push prevented his other leg being lifted.

Finucane never got to his feet at all before he put the ball on the ground.
Which game of ours this year was it when Thompson/Nofoaluma? got pinged at a critical time for not getting to their feet? It wasn't even as blatant as last nights one. Certain teams will get the continued rub of the green where others most definitely do not. Even skidmark Bellamy conceded "we might have got a bit lucky at the end" in his press conference.
Storm seem to get quite a few games gifted to them on the back of a penalty right in front to end the contest. Last night, last year vs Knights.....
Question for someone statistically minded out there: can anyone recall WT ever getting a game gifted to us with a game-sealing penalty? In our 20 years I cannot even recall a single one.

It was Nofo and it was a clear penalty

That they decided to inforce one time since 1927..

Exactly... it’s technically a penalty but I can’t remember another time it’s been enforced besides that

That sounds like oh my girlfriend is technically pregnant, but only sort of.

 

[hobbo1]

Bellamy must be wondering how he can hang onto Momo next year!


Where are all the Momo knockers now, especially the one that basically called me a drunk and scarecrow lover, for wanting Momo back here.

I’m here. He did nothing all game and then scored a try at the end that Elton John could have scored. BJ and Mbye are far better centres.

Agree
Momo was average all game with poor defensive reads ..Jennings would’ve scored that try .

I knew that there was a secret Jennings lover on here.

?

 

[Russell]

As close to a pro foul as you could d get..probably shoulda been binned.

You don't reckon players should be forced to get to their feet before playing the ball though? Not just in this instance but in the NRL in general. The PTB's are an absolute mess as far as abiding by the rules of playing the ball goes. It needs to be cleaned up and refereed strictly to prevent a game being absolutely gift-wrapped to a team when the penalty could've easily gone either way.

You have a valid point there FTB. I’m pretty sure lots of penalties have been given to the defending team because a player hasn’t gotten to their feet before playing the ball, yet in this instance it went the other way because of Friend’s interference. No doubt Friend did the wrong thing, but where do you draw the line when both players have infringed.

It's easy, not rocket science - the first infringement draws the penalty.

Clown is a cheat - he favoured the Storm most of the night.

Blind Freddie could see that.

Russ did you know that Cammie hates Klein the most

That's only because he wants to referee the game.

 

[TheDaBoss]


 

[nrlsurvivor]

Saab rushes out of the line for that one

 

[WT2K]

Sign cotric

 

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He steps onto his left foot, extends the left leg, places the ball towards the ground, pushes up with his right knee. As he does this, Friend pushes him in the shoulder before his right leg extends; Finucane cannot help but continue to place the ball down, but the force prevents him extending his right leg and he tips over to his RHS. Go watch it yourself.

Here is the screencap

Finucane is attempting to get his right leg up and Friend is pushing down on him; the ball hasn't been placed yet.

It is the responsibility of Friend to "immediately release" the player in possession after completion of the tackle. Which he does not. By whatever mechanism you want to scrutinise Finucane's PTB, and I maintain the rule does not say you cannot place the ball before you are standing, Friend fails to release the player and goes as far as to push the player in the act of attempting to play the ball.

I wouldn't call that being on your feet. We'll agree to disagree. I've seen plenty of those instances ruled as an incorrect PTB because a player "hasn't risen to his feet before placing the ball down" as the ref would say. I'm sure it won't be too long to wait until we see an example of this again.
Penalty could of gone either way, it was highly subjective, but it went the way to ensure a closely fought match was unfortunately decided by a penalty.
Hopefully we get a gift from the refs soon?