Royce Simmons

@fade-to-black said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526234) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526232) said:
I think it's moreso about duty of care. No one is forcing them to play but they are surrounded by people they trust with their lives in doctors and physios. So I can understand if there was a lack of duty of care. If more people come with head related injuries and with long term effects of it, NRL will and should be blamed. If people who play Rugby League are more likely to have long term brain related illnesses, it would mean that this sport isn't safe, it isn't regulated well or the code has a pattern of a lack of duty of care.

Where do you draw the line though as far as Duty Of Care is concerned? High-risk sports are described as such for a reason.

100% don't want to degenerate this thread though, it's intended as a place of good wishes for Roycie and his wellbeing.

Pretty sure that if guys like Royce and Turvey had their time over they would still play the game despite what has been discovered about concussion etc. in recent years.

People play the game because they love the game and it satisfies their competitive side and if they do okay financially out of it then that is a bonus.
 
Sorry to hear about Royce's health issue and having lost my Nana with it after watching her lapse my thoughts are also with @jirskyr @GNR4LIFE and @hammertime who had this condition affect those close.

As for sports, particularly heavy contact varieties, as the knowledge of the effects of concussion and particularly the frequency of them continues to grow, so too does the duty of care requirements of the bodies.
 
@tony-soprano said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526244) said:
Wonder if he stayed coaching like Tim keeping mind more active would of had any help.

You say some dumb things.....
You reckon he's been sitting around staring at a wall for the last 10 years or something?
 
@tony-soprano said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526244) said:
Wonder if he stayed coaching like Tim keeping mind more active would of had any help.

Look at Malcolm Young dude. Don’t think it discriminates.
 
@batboy said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526245) said:
@tony-soprano said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526244) said:
Wonder if he stayed coaching like Tim keeping mind more active would of had any help.

You say some dumb things.....
You reckon he's been sitting around staring at a wall for the last 10 years or something?

See you bat boy
 
@tony-soprano said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526244) said:
Wonder if he stayed coaching like Tim keeping mind more active would of had any help.

Wouldn't have thought so. It's pretty much just the luck of the draw.
 
@elderslie_tiger said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526251) said:
I like what Royce said that rugby league was the greatest thing that happened to him in his life. Ch 7 news report

He most certainly would of made sure he had a good time during his playing years, both on and off the field👍. And he had probably the greatest fairytale finish in RL history with his 2 tries and a premiership in his last game!

Remember reading in some ex-player's book about a story featuring Roycie where him and his mates were being rowdy in some establishment and the bouncers kicked them out. Roycie supposedly said "don't worry I'll throw myself out", grabbed himself by his collar and his belt and proceeded to launch himself out onto the footpath outside🤣
 
Please, can we be respectful to Royce and everyone who knows him by not delving too deep into the subject, after a while we'll be talking about anything other than what is pertinent, that is Royce and his grieving family.
Just in case someone who is close to Royce reads these posts, think about what you say and be supportive, it's not about us, it's about being concerned and thinking about them.
IMO
 
Hi does anyone here know him ?

In the USA they are now using endogenous ketones which you can buy at the local health shop and they are having great results and the results are coming inside of two weeks they are firing the nureons in the brain
 
@odessa said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526281) said:
Hi does anyone here know him ?

In the USA they are now using endogenous ketones which you can buy at the local health shop and they are having great results and the results are coming inside of two weeks they are firing the nureons in the brain

Yes mate, there’s quite a few of us on here that know him and see him around regularly. He’s a well respected guy. Thanks very much for your advice.
 
Gee that's shocking news.
Here's hoping he stays engaged and active and being young he stays in good shape till treatments hopefully are available.
 
@gnr4life said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526214) said:
I’m not a lawyer, but if the NRL are taking precautions now that they weren’t taking 30-40 years ago, that right there could be grounds to sue. You can’t really argue that the affects of concussions weren’t known back as far back as the 90’s because the evidence was out there

No, it's more about duty of care with sufficient knowledge. Corporations get done when it can be proven they've known about risks or, worse, hidden / suppressed risks, e.g. tobacco companies with cigarettes.

For the NRL to be taking action now, that's really based on a new weight of evidence and study in recent decades, which is affecting many contact codes at once - league, rugby, NFL, soccer. For example CT and MRI scans have only become commonplace since the 1980s and the resolving power was much more primitive back then.

It's kind of like climate change: scientists have known or at least suspected for a long time that people were significantly affecting the environment, but suspicion is a different thing to having empirical evidence, which has really emerged over the last 20 years - temperature records, weather records etc. And once you know or suspect where you are looking, sometimes it can become far more concrete / achieve consensus.

It would have to be proven that the NRL or ARL knew for sure that there were above-average risks and did not act accordingly. I also don't even know if the NRL can be challenged for actions that may have occurred under the ARL or NSWRL - they may be legally entirely different entities. The clubs might be at more risk, but again you'd have to prove they had concrete knowledge of risk factors without taking action - and I am going to suspect that would be very difficult to prove.
 
@fade-to-black said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526256) said:
@elderslie_tiger said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526251) said:
I like what Royce said that rugby league was the greatest thing that happened to him in his life. Ch 7 news report

He most certainly would of made sure he had a good time during his playing years, both on and off the field?. And he had probably the greatest fairytale finish in RL history with his 2 tries and a premiership in his last game!

Remember reading in some ex-player's book about a story featuring Roycie where him and his mates were being rowdy in some establishment and the bouncers kicked them out. Roycie supposedly said "don't worry I'll throw myself out", grabbed himself by his collar and his belt and proceeded to launch himself out onto the footpath outside?

Didn't he say he was going to have a schooner with all of Penrith after the gf.
 
Sad indeed,

Heard just this morning that insomniacs are at a significantly higher risk of this in the later lives
 
@fade-to-black said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526210) said:
@gnr4life said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526205) said:
@clontarfkid said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526203) said:
Was listening to 2sm today..Pete Mortimer rang in to confirm rumours Steve has some very serious health issues,including unfortunately a very rapidly developing dementia problem
Gonna be ARLs biggest issue this year after Covid,and expect to see another crackdown on head tackles

Could be going down the same road as the NFL have in recent years. Potential for a lot of lawsuits.

Which I think is wrong. No-one forces any player to play the game, it's obviously a high risk sport and that fact is known by every player from a very young age. Same as combat sports, motorsports and the like.

That being said all the best to Royce and I hope he has many more years of quality of life. Sad news.

Putting personal views aside, if someone earns money from footy they're covered by workplace health and safety laws.

The question then becomes whether reasonable steps were taken to minimise risk.

I'm not a judge, but the lack of concussion and high tackle rules back in Royce's day will make for an interesting case when someone eventually goes to court.
 
Alzheimers is a terrible disease,there is nothing worse than seeing somebody lose their recognition skills and not even remembering their partner/children or even their parents if they are still alive.I hope that Royce and his family get as much support and help as they possibly can.
 
@hank37w said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526239) said:
@fade-to-black said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526234) said:
@tig_prmz said in [Royce Simmons](/post/1526232) said:
I think it's moreso about duty of care. No one is forcing them to play but they are surrounded by people they trust with their lives in doctors and physios. So I can understand if there was a lack of duty of care. If more people come with head related injuries and with long term effects of it, NRL will and should be blamed. If people who play Rugby League are more likely to have long term brain related illnesses, it would mean that this sport isn't safe, it isn't regulated well or the code has a pattern of a lack of duty of care.

Where do you draw the line though as far as Duty Of Care is concerned? High-risk sports are described as such for a reason.

100% don't want to degenerate this thread though, it's intended as a place of good wishes for Roycie and his wellbeing.

Pretty sure that if guys like Royce and Turvey had their time over they would still play the game despite what has been discovered about concussion etc. in recent years.

People play the game because they love the game and it satisfies their competitive side and if they do okay financially out of it then that is a bonus.

This is the 90's remember. Long before Wayne Bennett would refuse paying Petro 300k to be a prop!
 

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