Sack Sheens Thread

[tigermaniac]

Happy happy happy tiger. I respect your opinion but I have to disagree. When you win a comp I don't think you over achieve. I believe your were the best. If you don't win, your like the rest. There's 101 reasons these guys have not reached the potential, and IMO I don't think it's because of 2005\. I bet one day some if our mainstay players will look back and blame the comfort zone for not winning another comp. Remember the strong team the Balmain side had in the 80s, they still couldn't win a comp. What followed. Years of misery. Let's hope we don't see a repeat at the WT. There are never guarantee's when changes are made to the coaching role, but players and fans alike, enter a new exciting season. Fresh is best.
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[GNR4LIFE]

So we're keeping Sheens to avoid a mass walk out? :crazy

Quite frankly if Sheens is the only thing keeping players here then id rather not have them at all. Obviously they aren't commited to the club, just the coach

 

[tig_prmz]

I was simply raising the possibility that if Tim leaves so might Benji and Robbie. The Titans offer a couple of years ago nearly got Robbie up there. There's no substance to it just a hypothetical….

Can't believe the suggestion that fans would stop following the team if that happened. I thought everyone on here were thick and thin supporters.

have youe even heard benji or robbie say that?
also, clearly, some people don't understand the meaning of a hyperbole.
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if what you are saying is true, it will be one of the most ridiculous things i've ever seen in my life.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I was simply raising the possibility that if Tim leaves so might Benji and Robbie. The Titans offer a couple of years ago nearly got Robbie up there. There's no substance to it just a hypothetical….

Can't believe the suggestion that fans would stop following the team if that happened. I thought everyone on here were thick and thin supporters.

have youe even heard benji or robbie say that?
also, clearly, some people don't understand the meaning of a hyperbole.
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if what you are saying is true, it will be one of the most ridiculous things i've ever seen in my life.

Benji made it clear last yr when Sheens almost signed with Penrith that he wouldn't be going anywhere, so make of that what you will

 

[851]

I was simply raising the possibility that if Tim leaves so might Benji and Robbie. The Titans offer a couple of years ago nearly got Robbie up there. There's no substance to it just a hypothetical….

Can't believe the suggestion that fans would stop following the team if that happened. I thought everyone on here were thick and thin supporters.

have youe even heard benji or robbie say that?
also, clearly, some people don't understand the meaning of a hyperbole.
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if what you are saying is true, it will be one of the most ridiculous things i've ever seen in my life.

The PM doesn't even know how to say it,so how is the average Joe suppose to know what it means.
But I agree,it would never happen,Robbie and Benji are better men than that,they would stay if Sheens was punted,and if they didn't I would be shocked,but we would fill the hole and move on.

 

[Furious1]

I reckon we would of had far better results from 2006 -2009 if we had lost

These young fellas would still have had something to achieve

I can't say if we would have won another premiership

The other issue was the game changed which made our style of play obsolete and we took time to change our playing ranks to overcome this

I understand what you are getting at Happy, i don't think it's time to change coaches, especially when we have finished top 4 two years in a row and this year is still to be played out.
I do have to completely disagree with your 2005 theory in regards to player hunger. I can't speak for the players but i know back in the day when i was playing footy and we won 1 title, the hunger for more doesn't shrink, it grows because it was such a great feeling you want more ( we won another 3 in a row). The difference is once you are the premiers, everyone else comes at you harder and that does a take a toll both physically and mentally.

You are completely right in regards to the style of game changing after 05\. The play the balls were slower and our razzle dazzle was null and void. It took until 2010 for us to get the mix right. As for this year, it's not over until we are out.

Two points Furious If we can't improve on 2011 Humphrey's needs to talk to Sheens

Secondly you have to admit the club and the players overachieved majorly in 2005 and when the other clubs took us seriously we were always going to struggle A lot of the junior players could not cope with the extra burdens of being defending premiers (Rhino ,Halatau,Collis,Fitzhenry) and the guys who probably could were on the way out (O'neill ,Skando,Richards ,Hodgo,Galea etc)

Absolutely we overachieved. I'm sure the figure of $500 000 under the cap was thrown around. But those players should have got better and could have got better if not for injury ( Marshall and Halatau and Collis to a lesser extent were always injured.) and a completely different set of rules regarding the ruck. Ballplay was out and suddenly wrestling and slowing down the play the ball was in. Dominant forwards of which we had none really were the order of the day. It took until 2010 to assemble a pack that could compete in those games where the grit had to be applied.

Sheens is far from perfect, and injuries play a massive part in how a teams season unfolds these days. I honestly feel he and the players did extremely well to get where we did last year after a horrendous injury toll. The disappointing thing was the "brain explosion" when it counted most after all the hard work to get to that point.
The storybook of this year is still unfolding, the sack sheens brigade should read the rest of the book before deciding they don't like the end.
I must add, i'm far from confident that we could win the comp this year, in fact, i don't really think we can, but while there is life there is hope, and i'm prepared to let it play out for the rest of the season and judge it at the end.

 

[Goose]

There is no doubt that a change of coach would change the squad (for better or worse) every coach comes in and has different views on players and recruit and retain accordingly, if we changed coaches our squad would look very different very quickly, possibly for the better (but i doubt it)

People keep saying that we should be a top performers because of our squad, and ignore the fact that the coach is the main reason we have that squad.

The argument for sacking sheens was at the end of 2009\. There is no valid argument other than "i dont like his selection policy"

consecutive losses and the calls come. Given recent performances he should have complete job security

 

[tig_prmz]

People keep saying that we should be a top performers because of our squad, and ignore the fact that the coach is the main reason we have that squad.

good on him for building the squad, but there is no point in him being there if he can't bring the best out of the TEAM as a whole.

it's like me chopping up a few vegies, getting the bun ready, shredding cheese then not putting it all and making a burger. he has had 4-5 years with this squad and hasn't yet been able to make them play consistently as a team.

also, the arguement that he has BUILT the squad imo is absurd. he cannot be the only one credited with it. we have recruitment officers doing that job, sure sheens has a say in it, but he HARDLY is the only one who should be credited for that.

 

[Knuckles]

Come on guys. Contracts mean nothing. You want your man you get him. The bulldogs done it.
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Its not impossible.

All new recruits are risky, you only have to look at Sheens' record with players.

I know I get complacent doing the same thing at work with the same boss…when things change at the top it gives me a new outlook and perspective, ive been there years but its new again and its always been for the better, we grow and get better at what we do.
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Only difference is that if you don't like the new boss or his/her methodologies, you don't have other companies queuing up for your signature ! (ie .. You're stuck there whereas our players will be snapped up in no time).

Yeh OK knuckles the place will surely fall apart should sheens ever leave. :unamused:

Lol … Well ... You never know Ink .... We are in uncertain times !

 

[happy_tiger]

What is Sheens a handyman in his spare time ??

 

[tig_prmz]

so from the fear that the core group will walk out if coach leaves, we dont change the coach? you know what, if those players have no respect for the club, they can f right off with their "Father-figure"

 

[Knuckles]

it's like me chopping up a few vegies, getting the bun ready, shredding cheese then not putting it all and making a burger. he has had 4-5 years with this squad and hasn't yet been able to make them play consistently as a team.

That would have to be the worst analogy in the history of the Wests Tigers forum !!!

 

[tig_prmz]

knuckles… dont forget the after you quote someone… it becomes very hard to read

 

[Knuckles]

Sorry tig_prmz … Will try to do better next time :slight_smile:

 

[innsaneink]

All you have to do is click the quote button in the top right crnr…..its not rocket science

 

[tig_prmz]

it's like me chopping up a few vegies, getting the bun ready, shredding cheese then not putting it all and making a burger. he has had 4-5 years with this squad and hasn't yet been able to make them play consistently as a team.

That would have to be the worst analogy in the history of the Wests Tigers forum !!!

oh in that analogy, i left out the main part, my bad. i meant to say, sheens has left his job unfinished for 5 years… just like me not finishing the burger.

 

[innsaneink]

There is no doubt that a change of coach would change the squad (for better or worse) every coach comes in and has different views on players and recruit and retain accordingly, if we changed coaches our squad would look very different very quickly, possibly for the better (but i doubt it)

People keep saying that we should be a top performers because of our squad, and ignore the fact that the coach is the main reason we have that squad.

The argument for sacking sheens was at the end of 2009\. There is no valid argument other than "i dont like his selection policy"

**consecutive losses and the calls come.** Given recent performances he should have complete job security

The calls always come, year in year out.
Its not losses, I think everyone accepts we will lose games.
Its the nature of the losses….we really seem to drop our load, give up at times...its disheartening.

I remember a loss against saints at Kogarah I think in 2010....it was the best loss we had, we hung in, we kept trying...we couldnt get there, many were upset, many here were proud....you can tell the difference in the losses moreso than the wins...our tight wins are often lucky, our gritty proud losses are very few

 

[Knuckles]

it's like me chopping up a few vegies, getting the bun ready, shredding cheese then not putting it all and making a burger. he has had 4-5 years with this squad and hasn't yet been able to make them play consistently as a team.

That would have to be the worst analogy in the history of the Wests Tigers forum !!!

oh in that analogy, i left out the main part, my bad. i meant to say, sheens has left his job unfinished for 5 years… just like me not finishing the burger.

Oh well … At least you gave me a laugh tig_prmz !!!
I'm about to cut up my spuds and carrots now so I will ponder the message !!!

 

[supercoach]

How can Hasler walk into Belmore and in six months get them playing a high standard of football most weeks. Their squad of players on paper would rate on a par or below us, probably below and yet Hasler has them winning and against most teams and really 2012 we have gone backwards. We have all the excuses in the world, injuries etc but so do all other clubs. My feeling most of the juice has been squeezed and its time to start rebuilding a team and I would start with a new coach, its not going to happen but all organizations need change in order to grow. Its probably not Sheens who is to blame, but when the players stop listening its easier to replace the coach than the players

 

[Goose]

reading theses posts you'd think we are running last.

Have people forgotten we are sitting in the 8 after running top 4 in consecutive years, with an amazing squad, amazing young players in the development system, things are looking great for the club. Why would we want to change things too much.