Salary Cap Issues in the future

[happy_tiger]

We were talking at work about footy (Something different lol) and we were talking about salary cap breaches in the future

One guy piped out with a really good point . "What if a club is cheating the cap to the Melbourne scale but is not winning premierships" . My reply was that they were crap at cheating the cap but when i thought about it , he made a good point . He said "Well how do you punish them ?? " and he added "Do you think the punishment handed out to the Storm really punished them ?? "

Well it didn't really punish them when you think about it did it . They still managed to keep their three best players and have still maintained a winning record and culture at the club . Putting an asterisk beside their names in records books isn't really punishment . Its only a punishment to the 15 clubs who did do the right thing .

So if you agree with me what do we do in the future . Personally I have a few ideas At the end of the season all players contracts are made null and void .Then the team who commits the breaches must sit out of the NRL for the amount of years they were commiting the breaches and can not sign any players until they have served there crime

If we make the punishments very extreme , no club will be game to exceed the cap because it will literally destroy their club .

What do you think ??

 

[Yossarian]

I don't know… sounds like the fans of the club would be the biggest losers in that scenario

 

[happy_tiger]

I don't know… sounds like the fans of the club would be the biggest losers in that scenario

Well the fans of the club would know who to blame with extreme penalties like that wouldn't they Yoss

Thats the point make the penalties so extreme that clubs would be mad to even go near them in the future .

The other point is do you think Melbourne really got penalized enough

When you look at where they have been in the two seasons since , the answer is NO

 

[Glen_McWilliams]

Move the entire club to Ipswich.

 

[happy_tiger]

Move the entire club to Ipswich.

Leichardt in Ipswich and thats almost enough punishment

 

[Yossarian]

I don't know… sounds like the fans of the club would be the biggest losers in that scenario

Well the fans of the club would know who to blame with extreme penalties like that wouldn't they Yoss

Thats the point make the penalties so extreme that clubs would be mad to even go near them in the future .

The other point is do you think Melbourne really got penalized enough

When you look at where they have been in the two seasons since , the answer is NO

Having someone to blame doesn't overcome the fact these people are left without a club. A stack of them probably go and support the Swans/BWS or yawnion. It doesn't matter what the punishement is, people will always break the rules if the rewards are big enough and they think they can get away with it.

Yes Melbourne got penalised enough - they lost premierships. Okay they've kept 3 big players but the rest of the team runs on a shoestring. It's not like they're the only club with 3 rep players. They continue to do well because they are well coached and have an incredibly well drilled structure. They could stick us in the team and probably still go 20-4 for the season.

 

[happy_tiger]

I don't know… sounds like the fans of the club would be the biggest losers in that scenario

Well the fans of the club would know who to blame with extreme penalties like that wouldn't they Yoss

Thats the point make the penalties so extreme that clubs would be mad to even go near them in the future .

The other point is do you think Melbourne really got penalized enough

When you look at where they have been in the two seasons since , the answer is NO

Having someone to blame doesn't overcome the fact these people are left without a club. A stack of them probably go and support the Swans/BWS or yawnion. It doesn't matter what the punishement is, people will always break the rules if the rewards are big enough and they think they can get away with it.
And speak to any Melbourne supporter and they shrug their shoulders and say we won the grand finals in question Yoss

Have their names scrapped from the record books and place them with the Wooden spoon Melbourne got penalised enough - they lost premierships. Okay they've kept 3 big players but the rest of the team runs on a shoestring. It's not like they're the only club with 3 rep players. They continue to do well because they are well coached and have an incredibly well drilled structure. They could stick us in the team and probably still go 20-4 for the season.

 

[happy_tiger]

I don't know… sounds like the fans of the club would be the biggest losers in that scenario

Well the fans of the club would know who to blame with extreme penalties like that wouldn't they Yoss

Thats the point make the penalties so extreme that clubs would be mad to even go near them in the future .

The other point is do you think Melbourne really got penalized enough

When you look at where they have been in the two seasons since , the answer is NO

Having someone to blame doesn't overcome the fact these people are left without a club. A stack of them probably go and support the Swans/BWS or yawnion. It doesn't matter what the punishement is, people will always break the rules if the rewards are big enough and they think they can get away with it.

Yes Melbourne got penalised enough - they lost premierships. Okay they've kept 3 big players but the rest of the team runs on a shoestring. It's not like they're the only club with 3 rep players. They continue to do well because they are well coached and have an incredibly well drilled structure. They could stick us in the team and probably still go 20-4 for the season.

Speak to any Melbourne fan and they shrug their shoulders and say we won the GF and its still in the record books asterisk or not

We need to remove them from the record books altogether and say the Gf's opposition won

Yoss how can it be fair they still get to keep the majority of their squad They should be stripped bare and told to start again legally

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't know… sounds like the fans of the club would be the biggest losers in that scenario

Well the fans of the club would know who to blame with extreme penalties like that wouldn't they Yoss

Thats the point make the penalties so extreme that clubs would be mad to even go near them in the future .

The other point is do you think Melbourne really got penalized enough

When you look at where they have been in the two seasons since , the answer is NO

Having someone to blame doesn't overcome the fact these people are left without a club. A stack of them probably go and support the Swans/BWS or yawnion. It doesn't matter what the punishement is, people will always break the rules if the rewards are big enough and they think they can get away with it.

Yes Melbourne got penalised enough - they lost premierships. Okay they've kept 3 big players but the rest of the team runs on a shoestring. It's not like they're the only club with 3 rep players. They continue to do well because they are well coached and have an incredibly well drilled structure. They could stick us in the team and probably still go 20-4 for the season.

Speak to any Melbourne fan and they shrug their shoulders and say we won the GF and its still in the record books asterisk or not

We need to remove them from the record books altogether and say the Gf's opposition won

Yoss how can it be fair they still get to keep the majority of their squad They should be stripped bare and told to start again legally

But the other teams didn't win the GF on the day and you can't just issue it to them by default, because teams were beaten by Melbourne to get there. Who's to say that whomever Melbourne beat the week before facing Parramatta wouldn't have go on to beat them as well?

Interestingly enough, I know quite a few Manly and Parra supporters (half my workplace are Eels supporters,) and the majority of the Manly supporters couldn't care less that they weren't given the 2007 title, yet all the Parra supporters were bleating that they should have been awarded the trophy in 2009.

 

[steve-o]

yeah you cant give the premiership title to manly in 07 and parra in 09 coz there's no way to know that they wouldve beaten the teams that melbourne beat on the road to the GF. for example, imagine the dragons were stripped of the 2010 title for salary cap breaches, do u think the roosters deserve to be crowned winners? we (the tigers) wouldve easily beaten the roosters if we made the grandfinal

 

[Forty20]

Problem is where do you stop? If you up the punishment at the top end do you up it for minor breaches?

A lot of clubs, tigers included, have been fined for salary cap breaches that aren't for actively cheating but from mis-interpreting the rules. This year Canberra, parra, gold coast and penny panthers have all been fined (range from $80k to $5k). Dont forget we got smashed $187k for a 2010 breach.

http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/artic … -breaches/
\
\
_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

 

[tig_prmz]

07, 09… minor premiers should be awarded the premiership (or 2nd place ones if storm were minor premiers).

we shouldnt be thinking of what punishment to give, we should be thinking of how to stop the breach in the first place... it's like saying let's develop a med to treat malaria rather than to develop a vaccine for malaria.
prevention > treatment

 

[AngryEmu]

I think the Storm got off very lightly. It has been said that players and player managers knew that there were two copies of contracts, so the players themselves should have been fined or de registered.

I'm not saying all players should be de registered if their club went over the cap, because in most cases you don't know how much everyone else is being paid, but it sounds like the players were well aware that something wasn't right and went along with it anyway.

 

[happy_tiger]

The point that everyone has missed is what deterrant is their in the future for other sides to blatantly do what Melbourne have done

In the end they are still in the same position they were before they were caught

In my opinion they punishments they recieved should of set them back at least as long as they were cheating the salary cap

They haven't been set back at all

If people are happy with their predicament leave it at that

I'm sure as hell not

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The point that everyone has missed is what deterrant is their in the future for other sides to blatantly do what Melbourne have done

In the end they are still in the same position they were before they were caught

In my opinion they punishments they recieved should of set them back at least as long as they were cheating the salary cap

They haven't been set back at all

If people are happy with their predicament leave it at that

I'm sure as hell not

They were fined heavily Happy. Had Cronulla, Penriff or Manly have been found out to be doing the same thing, it would have buried them. Melbourne are lucky they have News as a sugar daddy.

 

[Rambo2714]

I agree , storm didn't suffer enough , they kept the majority of thier aqua together and didn't lose a marquee player ( nor did the dogs for that matte ) …

I think if this ever happens again , the entire squad should have their contract deregistered , that wa y they are all out on the market .
\
\
_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

 

[happy_tiger]

The point that everyone has missed is what deterrant is their in the future for other sides to blatantly do what Melbourne have done

In the end they are still in the same position they were before they were caught

In my opinion they punishments they recieved should of set them back at least as long as they were cheating the salary cap

They haven't been set back at all

If people are happy with their predicament leave it at that

I'm sure as hell not

They were fined heavily Happy. Had Cronulla, Penriff or Manly have been found out to be doing the same thing, it would have buried them. Melbourne are lucky they have News as a sugar daddy.

CB the fines didn't affect them either . What we need for the future is something as a complete deterrent They should of suffered for at least 4 seasons Hit whatever club in the future abuses the cap (and that includes us if Humphrey's is abusing the cap) where it hurts Player retention

Doesn't it bother anyone that they were up and flying again straight after it all occurred ?? :crazy

 

[tigermaniac]

Halve their salary cap over 5 years and return 20% of the cap yearly until they are even par with all clubs. This way most of the big name players will leave themselves chasing money.
Its not the players fault, it's the clubs. In the end the club will suffer.
\
\
\
_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The point that everyone has missed is what deterrant is their in the future for other sides to blatantly do what Melbourne have done

In the end they are still in the same position they were before they were caught

In my opinion they punishments they recieved should of set them back at least as long as they were cheating the salary cap

They haven't been set back at all

If people are happy with their predicament leave it at that

I'm sure as hell not

They were fined heavily Happy. Had Cronulla, Penriff or Manly have been found out to be doing the same thing, it would have buried them. Melbourne are lucky they have News as a sugar daddy.

CB the fines didn't affect them either . What we need for the future is something as a complete deterrent They should of suffered for at least 4 seasons Hit whatever club in the future abuses the cap (and that includes us if Humphrey's is abusing the cap) where it hurts Player retention

Doesn't it bother anyone that they were up and flying again straight after it all occurred ?? :crazy

Not really. I don't condone cheating of any nature but in my eyes, to be heavily fined, repay all GF and minor premiership moneys and have the records scrubbed is enough. You go further and you alienate fans in a part of Australia that is slowly but surely embracing Rugby League, and that's not only bad for the Storm, but in fact bad for the NRL in general.

What do you propose Happy? Ban the Storm? Alienate a further 50,000 odd supporters that might turn up at any point during the year to pour their money into the Greatest Game of All? I'd agree with reducing the cap, but 25% would be enough. That would put them on par with the teams who struggle to pay their players. Return the to the cap at 5% over 5 years.

I see the fact that they are still playing well is a testament to the structure they have there. It also exposes how little the NRL view player loyalty. They harp on about the parochialism that holds the game together but don't want to share the same view when it comes to player retention. A generation of kids will grow up idolising one club players. It'd be nice if the NRL cut the clubs a break on long service for players. 5 years should earn a 15% discount, 8 years a 25% discount and 10 years a 50% discount.

 

[Bismark]

The salary cap is breached every year by at least 3 clubs, who are fined. I think we were fined in 2010 or even early last year from breaches.

I'd love to see the NRL not give the club their grant. How else do you make the club suffer?? I think what happened at Melbourne was sufficient, they lost an entire season, are now the most hated team in the competition and will go down in history as having an amazing side yet cheating. Even if they win the comp this year, you'll still look back at the breaches and think "it wasn't fair".

The only way to stop clubs doing it is to make it impossible to do so. I think the entire way the clubs are audited is flawed, I mean how can you miss such a MASSIVE rort??