Tiger_Watto
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No… The top teir competition for our sport is about delivering competitive matches and successful brands. Making all teams equal would only create a boring version of the game.
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No… The top teir competition for our sport is about delivering competitive matches and successful brands. Making all teams equal would only create a boring version of the game.
jirskyr
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The NRL is not choosing to keep sides in Sydney, rather it's difficult for them to force a club to move. You know that.
It's nobody's fault that this business grew out of a local Sydney competition and we still have such a large Sydney influence. They've tried hard enough in Gold Coast - it has the population who already follow league, but it's not that simple.
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I'm not disputing what you're advocating has no merit, just thinking out loud on how it would work.
And with the points system, it would seem that money can still win over when say Easts and Wests are chasing the same player with the same points because they both have the points available and Easts can ring in an "external TPA" and still sign said player over us. It will create a more even spread of talent in a manner of speaking but where battling clubs are competing against richer clubs for the same crop of players the richer clubs will always win out.
All of these scenarios would need to be played out when considering a change to such system. I suspect no matter how the NRL approach it, there will always be loopholes to exploit.
The problem with a points system is that it's completely subjective.
SALARIES are not subjective. They are what someone was willing to be paid at a given moment.
Do what the NFL does - Make the Salaries of the players public - sure people on the forum might argue that it's an invasion of privacy, however If you build the culture from the ground up - (e.g - the players know from their first day in a top 30 squad that their salaries are public domain, and that's what they sign up for) then it isn't an issue.
At least this way club spending can be scrutinised.
Sure, 3rd parties can be still rorted, however this would be the start to even up the playing field.
Then look at down the track NRL releasing 3rd party deal details as well - If every 3rd party deal MUST be cleared by the NRL, then surely that information is able to be tabulated, and put out.
At least this way media speculation, and managers pumping up their own tires would be also taken out of the equation.
SALARIES are not subjective. They are what someone was willing to be paid at a given moment.
Do what the NFL does - Make the Salaries of the players public - sure people on the forum might argue that it's an invasion of privacy, however If you build the culture from the ground up - (e.g - the players know from their first day in a top 30 squad that their salaries are public domain, and that's what they sign up for) then it isn't an issue.
At least this way club spending can be scrutinised.
Sure, 3rd parties can be still rorted, however this would be the start to even up the playing field.
Then look at down the track NRL releasing 3rd party deal details as well - If every 3rd party deal MUST be cleared by the NRL, then surely that information is able to be tabulated, and put out.
At least this way media speculation, and managers pumping up their own tires would be also taken out of the equation.
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newtiger
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With a points base system it doesn't matter how much you pay a player, it what his value in points that matters.
If Cameron Smith is valved at 52 points the Storm can pay him $10 million dollars or $20k per year.
It's the points that determine his part of the Storms points limit.
So clubs can't assemble a team of stars by having small contracts and topping them up with huge TPA's from rich benefactors that have nothing to do with the club, but are pressured by influential people like Nick or Packer and co.
Anything has got to be better than the current system that lends itself to be wroughted by huge TPA's that the richer clubs or rich supporters can provide.
WestsBenTigers
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If you make teams equal you have competitive games.
If the teams are not equal, the games are not competitive.
What you said makes no sense!
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:laughing: Been putting up with it for Years Ben,,,
earl
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I think it's easy to solve the salary cap problem. Simply allow bidding to obtain players. So if player a wants to play in Brisbane for 100k but we offer him 200k then he is on the books at Brisbane for 200 if he wants to stay at Brisbane. You basically just have a draft system where the highest bidder wins.
WestsBenTigers
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That would be a good idea except it would be harder to retain players, especially juniors.
Would be better than what we have at the moment
gallagher
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Offer $1m to any whistleblower.
Tiger_Watto
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Interesting way to look at it. No doubt will see a few scorned woman & unhappy ex employees pick up the phone.
Making players salaries public knowledge has some merit and could reduce some of the current rorting. It definitely won't stop dodgy deals, but would see clubs putting more through their cap space.
(not a fan of disclosing peoples salaries though)
supercoach
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If a player is contacted directly by a company to do TV commercial or become a company ambassador for a product that is not connected with the club or NRL, is that classes a TPA ??
I would have thought any restrictions on the above would be classed as a restraint of trade. Also it would be so easy to rort
I would have thought any restrictions on the above would be classed as a restraint of trade. Also it would be so easy to rort
tigerbenji
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I think a points system is the way to go, not working out points for each player but so many if you play First grade, so many if you play SOO & so many if you play for your Country. You get a discount for your Juniors, Once your points are reached thats it.
WestsBenTigers
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But then it disadvantags sides like Melbourne who make superstars out of nothing. Yhey hardly ever buy superstars but they create their own out of nothing players i.e. Munster, Kaufusi, Addo-Carr, Vunivalu, Cronk, Smith, Slater etc. In 10 years you could add Hughes, jacks, Croft, C Scott and B Smith to that list.
So if Melbourne were paying 5 points for Vunivalu then he became a 15 point player because he was an intrnational, tha† means because they created their own talent - They have 10 less points to spend in their cap.
Melbourne is just one example of many clubs who create superstars and this system would be against developing your own talent.
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Correct..that is the exact intention of TPA's to allow players to earn from their intellectual property..you can not restrict that..the 1st one was Billy Slater and Queensland Banana's…his latest Gatorade..Slater wears no Storm gear ...it's just Billy Slater..There are plenty out there...Teddy with Nike...Smith for VB
As I said earlier they are between Player and 3rd Party not the Club they play for nor are the supposed to be arranged or guaranteed by the players Club...this is where many believe the waters are muddied ...
supercoach
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So Geo, do these deals come under the TPA umbrella?? Because if clubs have a limit on the amount of salaries they can have tied up in TPA's, than it would mean a player might not be able to accept a deal that he had been offered to him, and than we get back to restraint of trade.
On the other hand if they don't come under the TPA umbrella than the system is exposed to crooked deals and I guess most if not all clubs would be exploiting it in some way or another….of course some more than others
old_man_tiger
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I work in an organisation where position descriptions (in some cases) and the enterprise agreement are both publicly available, meaning you can work out the salary of many staff.
Has never bothered me, and I don't know why it is so off limits in Aus when we can all look up what other sportspeople around the world are worth. We have a strong culture around privacy which is good, but there would be ways to give fans a non-specific idea. For example, you could have salary tiers, and each club would be allowed x number of players from each tier.
Tier 1 could be uncapped, for 2 or 3 marquee players, tier 2 up to 800k or whatever and so on…. a system like this would reward strong clubs and still have more transparency and a more level playing field than if it was a free for all.
Has never bothered me, and I don't know why it is so off limits in Aus when we can all look up what other sportspeople around the world are worth. We have a strong culture around privacy which is good, but there would be ways to give fans a non-specific idea. For example, you could have salary tiers, and each club would be allowed x number of players from each tier.
Tier 1 could be uncapped, for 2 or 3 marquee players, tier 2 up to 800k or whatever and so on…. a system like this would reward strong clubs and still have more transparency and a more level playing field than if it was a free for all.
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