Same sex marriage debate...

[Spook]

An older article but on topic. This is George Brandis defending the proposed SSM legislation as put by Sen Dean Pay.
"Senator Brandis added there were already constitutional and legal protections for religious freedom.

“Although we don’t have a bill of rights in Australia, unusually there is actually a constitutional protection of religious freedom of section 116 of the Constitution,” he said.

“There are also protections in way of exemption for religious opinion and faith in the discrimination statutes.”"

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/same-sex-marriage-tony-abbott-wont-trick-me-george-brandis-says/news-story/b61a5fb2500c26822f861ffd7bf16862

Section 116:
Section 116 of the Constitution of Australia precludes the Commonwealth of Australia (i.e., the federal parliament) from making laws for establishing any religion, imposing any religious observance, or prohibiting the free exercise of any religion.

As usual the far left (Brandis included) are doing a lot of supposing on behalf of the rest of community. What makes them think only people affiliated with a religious organisation are voting No? Probably the vast majority of No voters aren't religious at all, and simply see marriage as between a man and a woman, and always will whatever Parliament decide.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

An older article but on topic. This is George Brandis defending the proposed SSM legislation as put by Sen Dean Pay.
"Senator Brandis added there were already constitutional and legal protections for religious freedom.

“Although we don’t have a bill of rights in Australia, unusually there is actually a constitutional protection of religious freedom of section 116 of the Constitution,” he said.

“There are also protections in way of exemption for religious opinion and faith in the discrimination statutes.”"

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/same-sex-marriage-tony-abbott-wont-trick-me-george-brandis-says/news-story/b61a5fb2500c26822f861ffd7bf16862

Section 116:
Section 116 of the Constitution of Australia precludes the Commonwealth of Australia (i.e., the federal parliament) from making laws for establishing any religion, imposing any religious observance, or prohibiting the free exercise of any religion.

As usual the far left (Brandis included) are doing a lot of supposing on behalf of the rest of community. What makes them think only people affiliated with a religious organisation are voting No? Probably the vast majority of No voters aren't religious at all, and simply see marriage as between a man and a woman, and always will whatever Parliament decide.

And there was a time voting was only seen as something fit for white men.

 

[madunit]

I vote yes.

The marriage of two gay people has zero impact on my life and will in no way devalue my marriage.

It won't see about the end of the world or people marrying animals or any of the other kooky weird crap that's getting sprouted about.

It'll just mean more people being happy.

 

[tigerbalm]

I vote yes.

The marriage of two gay people has zero impact on my life and will in no way devalue my marriage.

It won't see about the end of the world or people marrying animals or any of the other kooky weird crap that's getting sprouted about.

It'll just mean more people being happy.

Perfectly stated. Thread winner! *
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[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I vote yes.

The marriage of two gay people has zero impact on my life and will in no way devalue my marriage.

It won't see about the end of the world or people marrying animals or any of the other kooky weird crap that's getting sprouted about.

It'll just mean more people being happy.

Perfectly stated. Thread winner! *
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*no actual prizes…please gamble responsibly.

Nothing like self praise - what about my line about never hearing of a boy getting kicked out of the family home for being a straight?

 

[TheHill]

30 years I've followed Rugby league and to be honest I am very dissapointed that young children have to be exposed to such propaganda during tomorrow's "entertainment". SSM will not resolve mental health issues, if anything it's going to confuse kids even more hence more mental problems in the future. Kids should not be exposed to this crap.. let's be honest this is promotion not a debate.

Our Bulldogs friends must be silently laughing within whilst they walk around with their 8 kids around the Sth West whilst we promote and debate policies that are not in the interest of our nations longevity.. We are a nation that does not genuinely care about its future and are consumed with such trivial matters.

Whilst on the topic since yes people are so supportive of "equality" then why not approve and promote polygamy too?

100 years ago 15 year old brave kids fought for this country with bravery and honour in the most traumatic of circumstances. What are today's youth fighting for and what?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

30 years I've followed Rugby league and to be honest I am very dissapointed that young children have to be exposed to such propaganda during tomorrow's "entertainment". SSM will not resolve mental health issues, **if anything it's going to confuse kids even more hence more mental problems in the future**. Kids should not be exposed to this crap.. let's be honest this is promotion not a debate.

Our Bulldogs friends must be silently laughing within whilst they walk around with their 8 kids around the Sth West whilst we promote and debate policies that are not in the interest of our nations longevity.. We are a nation that does not genuinely care about its future and are consumed with such trivial matters.

Whilst on the topic since yes people are so supportive of "equality" then why not approve and promote polygamy too?

100 years ago 15 year old brave kids fought for this country with bravery and honour in the most traumatic of circumstances. What are today's youth fighting for and what?

How?

 

[Marshall_magic]

Propaganda? Take a seat. It's a song. When Chisel did the grand final a few years back they played Khe Sanh, Flame Trees and Bow River. Why? They are three of their biggest songs. Same Love is one of Maccklemore's biggest songs (Macklemore himself is a big deal). I doubt the "young children" would even know what the song is about.

 

[TheHill]

Easy.

1) Growing up in the 80s you'd watch films with heterosexual content which is natural to most people statistically.

2) Todays kids are watching cartoons where stalks deliver babies to same sex couples or it's cool to have two dads which is not inherently normal to most people statistically. Confusing and no structure, no values, no morals. I can't think of anything more damaging.

You can't stop people from being gay. Though promoting it and encouraging it to children is not the answer.

Just ask minister Goebbels re the power of propaganda and social engineering and the end result?

Besides what is natural is natural and what is not is not. One day this law if approved will be reversed. You can ask the aboriginals for further feedback.

 

[TheHill]

Propaganda? Take a seat. It's a song. When Chisel did the grand final a few years back they played Khe Sanh, Flame Trees and Bow River. Why? They are three of their biggest songs. Same Love is one of Maccklemore's biggest songs (Macklemore himself is a big deal). I doubt the "young children" would even know what the song is about.

Yes let's take a seat.. the song itself is rubbish, and the timing coincidental? Greenberg should take a walk and leave footy to the footy supporters.

Let him sing another song if it's jus a song..

 

[Nelson]

Propaganda? Take a seat. It's a song. When Chisel did the grand final a few years back they played Khe Sanh, Flame Trees and Bow River. Why? They are three of their biggest songs. Same Love is one of Maccklemore's biggest songs (Macklemore himself is a big deal). I doubt the "young children" would even know what the song is about.

Yes let's take a seat.. the song itself is rubbish, and the timing coincidental? Greenberg should take a walk and leave footy to the footy supporters.

Let him sing another song if it's jus a song..

Stop being so shrill about it. It's a pathetic thing to complain about.

 

[innsaneink]

You've listened to the song, the hill?
That must have been unpleasant for you

 

[Geo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlVBg7_08n0

I dunno..doesn't appear to be a pump the crowd song to me..

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Easy.

1) Growing up in the 80s you'd watch films with heterosexual content which is natural to most people statistically.

2) Todays kids are watching cartoons where stalks deliver babies to same sex couples or it's cool to have two dads which is not inherently normal to most people statistically. Confusing and no structure, no values, no morals. I can't think of anything more damaging.

You can't stop people from being gay. Though promoting it and encouraging it to children is not the answer.

Just ask minister Goebbels re the power of propaganda and social engineering and the end result?

Besides what is natural is natural and what is not is not. One day this law if approved will be reversed. You can ask the aboriginals for further feedback.

First off, teaching children about homosexuality is not "promoting" and "encouraging" it. That's like saying if you teach kids about the Holocaust, that will promote and encourage them to commit genocide. Besides, you can't "encourage" homosexuality, you are either gay or you are not. What about children who are struggling with their sexuality? Surely it's a good thing they can be taught those feelings are normal to have? What you are proposing ignores those kids. Which can lead to mental health issues. I don't know of any children who have had mental health issues based off learning that there are people who prefer partners of the same sex. It's actually a good thing that they get taught about it, because when they enter the real world, it's a topic that will be prominent in society. There is no ignoring it. It's preparing them.

 

[gallagher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlVBg7_08n0

I dunno..doesn't appear to be a pump the crowd song to me..

It doesn't seem like a good fit. It sounds like Jessie from breaking bad narrating a bad movie.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Easy.

1) Growing up in the 80s you'd watch films with heterosexual content which is natural to most people statistically.

2) Todays kids are watching cartoons where stalks deliver babies to same sex couples or it's cool to have two dads which is not inherently normal to most people statistically. Confusing and no structure, no values, no morals. I can't think of anything more damaging.

You can't stop people from being gay. Though promoting it and encouraging it to children is not the answer.

Just ask minister Goebbels re the power of propaganda and social engineering and the end result?

Besides what is natural is natural and what is not is not. One day this law if approved will be reversed. You can ask the aboriginals for further feedback.

First off, teaching children about homosexuality is not "promoting" and "encouraging" it. That's like saying if you teach kids about the Holocaust, that will promote and encourage them to commit genocide. Besides, you can't "encourage" homosexuality, you are either gay or you are not. What about children who are struggling with their sexuality? Surely it's a good thing they can be taught those feelings are normal to have? What you are proposing ignores those kids. Which can lead to mental health issues. I don't know of any children who have had mental health issues based off learning that there are people who prefer partners of the same sex. It's actually a good thing that they get taught about it, because when they enter the real world, it's a topic that will be prominent in society. There is no ignoring it. It's preparing them.

We are really dealing with the important issue during a week in which four people have died from domestic violence. How about league using the day a bit more positively by sending the strongest message against this form of violence?

 

[Nelson]

Easy.

1) Growing up in the 80s you'd watch films with heterosexual content which is natural to most people statistically.

2) Todays kids are watching cartoons where stalks deliver babies to same sex couples or it's cool to have two dads which is not inherently normal to most people statistically. Confusing and no structure, no values, no morals. I can't think of anything more damaging.

You can't stop people from being gay. Though promoting it and encouraging it to children is not the answer.

Just ask minister Goebbels re the power of propaganda and social engineering and the end result?

Besides what is natural is natural and what is not is not. One day this law if approved will be reversed. You can ask the aboriginals for further feedback.

First off, teaching children about homosexuality is not "promoting" and "encouraging" it. That's like saying if you teach kids about the Holocaust, that will promote and encourage them to commit genocide. Besides, you can't "encourage" homosexuality, you are either gay or you are not. What about children who are struggling with their sexuality? Surely it's a good thing they can be taught those feelings are normal to have? What you are proposing ignores those kids. Which can lead to mental health issues. I don't know of any children who have had mental health issues based off learning that there are people who prefer partners of the same sex. It's actually a good thing that they get taught about it, because when they enter the real world, it's a topic that will be prominent in society. There is no ignoring it. It's preparing them.

We are really dealing with the important issue during a week in which four people have died from domestic violence. How about league using the day a bit more positively by sending the strongest message against this form of violence?

Oh yeah that should be an easy fix…

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Easy.

1) Growing up in the 80s you'd watch films with heterosexual content which is natural to most people statistically.

2) Todays kids are watching cartoons where stalks deliver babies to same sex couples or it's cool to have two dads which is not inherently normal to most people statistically. Confusing and no structure, no values, no morals. I can't think of anything more damaging.

You can't stop people from being gay. Though promoting it and encouraging it to children is not the answer.

Just ask minister Goebbels re the power of propaganda and social engineering and the end result?

Besides what is natural is natural and what is not is not. One day this law if approved will be reversed. You can ask the aboriginals for further feedback.

First off, teaching children about homosexuality is not "promoting" and "encouraging" it. That's like saying if you teach kids about the Holocaust, that will promote and encourage them to commit genocide. Besides, you can't "encourage" homosexuality, you are either gay or you are not. What about children who are struggling with their sexuality? Surely it's a good thing they can be taught those feelings are normal to have? What you are proposing ignores those kids. Which can lead to mental health issues. I don't know of any children who have had mental health issues based off learning that there are people who prefer partners of the same sex. It's actually a good thing that they get taught about it, because when they enter the real world, it's a topic that will be prominent in society. There is no ignoring it. It's preparing them.

We are really dealing with the important issue during a week in which four people have died from domestic violence. How about league using the day a bit more positively by sending the strongest message against this form of violence?

Oh yeah that should be an easy fix…

Here we go, on a significant day on the NRL calendar how about

https://www.whiteribbon.org.au/stop-violence-against-women/

 

[Balmainbred]

When I was taught religion at school it was Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve I don’t agree with it

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

When I was taught religion at school it was Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve I don’t agree with it

I was also taught not to eat meat on Fridays as well that stars were holes in the floor of Heaven. As the Bible attests homosexuality has been around since Biblical days so it has as much heritage as Christianity. I think it should be put to an official survey costing $122,000,000 if we should be allowed to eat meat on Fridays.