Same sex marriage debate...

[earl]

There definitely shouldn't be a vote on this and people who don't supply goods or services for gay people should be punished. Discrimination is unacceptable in our society.

Those that can't accept that should go and live in Saudi Arabia or something like that because they aren't welcome here.

We have already institutionalised discrimination. There are public pools which are closed at particular times so that muslim women can swim without males being present. There are health, legal and educational services that are only available to certain sections of the population. This is somehow acceptable, but refusing to supply services because of individual beliefs is homophobia and discrimination.

At the end of the day the service provider would simply be costing themselves money, but there needs to be consistency.

If a service provider offered a 15% discount for gay couples marrying, is that also discrimination?

I don't know what health, legal and educational services are only available to certain sections of society. I think you should provide factual details of this. It'd also be good to show the public pools which do as you state. Facts do actually matter.

The simple fact of the matter is that discrimination shouldn't be allowed within society. Was apartheid appropriate ?

Real men stand against this BS.

If you can actually provide facts in relation to your little diatribe then we can discuss those issues. There are female gyms for instance. Other gyms are available for men. That is different to discrimination and sane people should be able to see that.

Birrong pool. Check it out.

Your last paragraph is interesting. You state that there are female gyms only but there are other gyms available for men.

There are other suppliers available to same sex people if some feel they are unable to supply said couple because of their beliefs.

Easy is'nt it.

No it's not easy because it's discrimination. I'll be honest anyone who wouldn't serve someone because they are gay should be locked up.

Discrimination like that is disgusting. Only people who have massive issues think or act like that and those people shouldn't be welcome in our society.

As for your pool issue I couldn't find anything but it's nothing at all like not serving someone because they are gay. I don't agree with it but it's completely different. It's to do with respecting Muslim women. Personally I don't like it but I wouldn't make a big deal out of it and I wouldn't relate it to outright discrimination that you are stating is okay.

 

[hammertime]

If someone does not want to supply services to some people then there are plenty of others that will. Why does the left insist on name calling of people who do not agree with their point of view. Crazy. Live and let live I say.

Well said mate. I only know two no voters. My grandparents. Who have been through a depression, fought for this country in a war and are the nicest souls you would
meet. Being in their 90s, they obviously don't like change.

People spewing hate towards people like my grandparents are the sick ones and really need to start shutting the hell up.

So discrimination is ok?

No it's not. It's that simple.

The key thing is, we're not talking about hating or being discriminatory to gay people, its a long running tradition of marriage we're talking about. For thousands of years people have had it one way, and some people just expect it to change like a light switch. It's just silly. People in change management wouldn't have a job if human beings were like that.

Actually, Maybe we should get some change managers in government to 'bring people on the journey'? Because I think most people, except maybe people like earl or GNR, can see that over simplifying and demonising people is just dumb, intolerant and counterintuitive.

 

[earl]

We are talking about being discriminatory towards gay people. The whole counter arguments of the morons who think the no vote is cool is that they shouldn't be able to serve gay people because they don't like the gays.

It's now time for a change when it comes to marriage. Thank god that the civilised among us voted yes and the no voters can pull their heads in.

 

[hammertime]

We're talking about religious crossover here with marriage here by the way.

Do you guys even realise what you are asking of certain people? To go against their god? It's the same reason why Muslim women are so adamant to not remove their burqa.

They don't want to hate gay people or be discriminatory, you're basically asking them to do something which they believe might send them to hell.

It's an extremely tough sell!! Just give it some time and stop being so intolerant and more understanding.

 

[hammertime]

We are talking about being discriminatory towards gay people. The whole counter arguments of the morons who think the no vote is cool is that they shouldn't be able to serve gay people because they don't like the gays.

It's now time for a change when it comes to marriage. Thank god that the civilised among us voted yes and the no voters can pull their heads in.

Mate, I voted yes. I think they gay people should have the same rights as anyone else and I have some really close friends who are gay.

But honestly, I think you'll find the majority are yes voters who are getting sick and tired the intolerance of the left. It's more sickening to me more than people who are standing ground on religion or are elderly and have grown up with traditional marriage.

You preach empathy and being of a civilised nature, but you don't show it.

 

[earl]

We're talking about religious crossover here with marriage here by the way.

Do you guys even realise what you are asking of certain people? To go against their god? It's the same reason why Muslim women are so adamant to not remove their burqa.

They don't want to hate gay people or be discriminatory, you're basically asking them to do something which they believe might send them to hell.

It's an extremely tough sell!! Just give it some time and stop being so intolerant and more understanding.

I think you are being a little naive here. There are some people who do hate people because they are gay. It's just the same as hating black people or women or whatever.

It's also not a tough sell at all. The majority of people aren't like that.

 

[earl]

We are talking about being discriminatory towards gay people. The whole counter arguments of the morons who think the no vote is cool is that they shouldn't be able to serve gay people because they don't like the gays.

It's now time for a change when it comes to marriage. Thank god that the civilised among us voted yes and the no voters can pull their heads in.

Mate, I voted yes. I think they gay people should have the same rights as anyone else and I have some really close friends who are gay.

But honestly, I think you'll find the majority are yes voters who are getting sick and tired the intolerance of the left. It's more sickening to me more than people who are standing ground on religion or are elderly and have grown up with traditional marriage.

You preach empathy and being of a civilised nature, but you don't show it.

I am honestly sick of hearing the no voters complain and people even trying to justify the rights of someone not to serve a person because they are gay. So yes I have a lack of tolerance to people who think discrimination is cool.

I can't stand extremist views on either side and I try and act from my own moral compass. I have not seen these extreme leftists that you are going on about. I do see intolerance from the conservative right. That is clearly the case on this thread for instance. Show me these intolerant left who are anywhere near as bad as the conservative right who are trying to justify outright discrimination. This intolerant left idea is just another tantrum from right wing conservatives.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We're talking about religious crossover here with marriage here by the way.

Do you guys even realise what you are asking of certain people? To go against their god? It's the same reason why Muslim women are so adamant to not remove their burqa.

**They don't want to hate gay people or be discriminatory, you're basically asking them to do something which they believe might send them to hell.**

It's an extremely tough sell!! Just give it some time and stop being so intolerant and more understanding.

I don't mind having a discussion, but can we at least base it off reality please.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We are talking about being discriminatory towards gay people. The whole counter arguments of the morons who think the no vote is cool is that they shouldn't be able to serve gay people because they don't like the gays.

It's now time for a change when it comes to marriage. Thank god that the civilised among us voted yes and the no voters can pull their heads in.

Mate, I voted yes. I think they gay people should have the same rights as anyone else and I have some really close friends who are gay.

But honestly, I think you'll find the majority are yes voters who are getting sick and tired the intolerance of the left. It's more sickening to me more than people who are standing ground on religion or are elderly and have grown up with traditional marriage.

You preach empathy and being of a civilised nature, but you don't show it.

Stop turning it into a left/right issue.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Well said mate. I only know two no voters. My grandparents. Who have been through a depression, fought for this country in a war and are the nicest souls you would
meet. Being in their 90s, they obviously don't like change.

People spewing hate towards people like my grandparents are the sick ones and really need to start shutting the hell up.

So discrimination is ok?

No it's not. It's that simple.

The key thing is, we're not talking about hating or being discriminatory to gay people, its a long running tradition of marriage we're talking about. For thousands of years people have had it one way, and some people just expect it to change like a light switch. It's just silly. People in change management wouldn't have a job if human beings were like that.

Actually, Maybe we should get some change managers in government to 'bring people on the journey'? Because I think most people, except maybe people like earl or GNR, can see that over simplifying and demonising people is just dumb, intolerant and counterintuitive.

I have no issue with older generations who are stuck in their ways. I don't agree with it, but I can at least see where they are coming from. They come from a differenttime. However, let's not pretend that everyone who votes no, votes no for the same reason as people like your grandparents.

 

[hammertime]

We are talking about being discriminatory towards gay people. The whole counter arguments of the morons who think the no vote is cool is that they shouldn't be able to serve gay people because they don't like the gays.

It's now time for a change when it comes to marriage. Thank god that the civilised among us voted yes and the no voters can pull their heads in.

Mate, I voted yes. I think they gay people should have the same rights as anyone else and I have some really close friends who are gay.

But honestly, I think you'll find the majority are yes voters who are getting sick and tired the intolerance of the left. It's more sickening to me more than people who are standing ground on religion or are elderly and have grown up with traditional marriage.

You preach empathy and being of a civilised nature, but you don't show it.

I am honestly sick of hearing the no voters complain and people even trying to justify the rights of someone not to serve a person because they are gay. So yes I have a lack of tolerance to people who think discrimination is cool.

I can't stand extremist views on either side and I try and act from my own moral compass. I have not seen these extreme leftists that you are going on about. I do see intolerance from the conservative right. That is clearly the case on this thread for instance. Show me these intolerant left who are anywhere near as bad as the conservative right who are trying to justify outright discrimination. This intolerant left idea is just another tantrum from right wing conservatives.

Ok, lets agree that people who voted no just because they hate gay people are abhorrent. Completely agree with that.

What I disagree with is broad brush strokes being painted over all people who voted no as discriminatory against gay people. Voting no to marriage or not wanting to help with cakes etc. is not necessarily about hating gay people, it can be about people being elderly and reluctant to change or being put in a tough situation due to their religion. It's this way in both the Bible and Koran.

You said before, it's simple. It's not. Telling people to 'pull their heads in' is just ignorant. You're imagining a bunch of rednecks. While some are, a large chunk won't be. Look at the suburbs where there was 'no' votes. Large portion are Muslim suburbs.

Or maybe now we can be intolerant of religion? or others who don't harbour hate, but just are too old to know how to change?

Religious influence is reducing as people become more educated. But that needs time. I don't think it's too hard to understand that some people may actually believe that they will go to hell if they go against their religious text. Or maybe it is too hard? Can you imagine that situation?

To my simple mind, having to go against your god and being damned to hell, sounds mentally tougher than not being able to walk down an isle.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We are talking about being discriminatory towards gay people. The whole counter arguments of the morons who think the no vote is cool is that they shouldn't be able to serve gay people because they don't like the gays.

It's now time for a change when it comes to marriage. Thank god that the civilised among us voted yes and the no voters can pull their heads in.

Mate, I voted yes. I think they gay people should have the same rights as anyone else and I have some really close friends who are gay.

But honestly, I think you'll find the majority are yes voters who are getting sick and tired the intolerance of the left. It's more sickening to me more than people who are standing ground on religion or are elderly and have grown up with traditional marriage.

You preach empathy and being of a civilised nature, but you don't show it.

This is not a left/right issue.

 

[hammertime]

We're talking about religious crossover here with marriage here by the way.

Do you guys even realise what you are asking of certain people? To go against their god? It's the same reason why Muslim women are so adamant to not remove their burqa.

**They don't want to hate gay people or be discriminatory, you're basically asking them to do something which they believe might send them to hell.**

It's an extremely tough sell!! Just give it some time and stop being so intolerant and more understanding.

I don't mind having a discussion, but can we at least base it off reality please.

Mate, you're kidding right. Have you been to a hillsong conference before? Maybe only the guns and roses?

I actually know the Tigers pastor - absolutely top bloke. But a lot of these guys don't waver away from the bible. If you believe in heaven, you believe in hell.

But this is what I'm talking about - maybe you don't understand the people who voted no? Why did Izzy Falou vote no if he believed there was no repercussions from his god?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We're talking about religious crossover here with marriage here by the way.

Do you guys even realise what you are asking of certain people? To go against their god? It's the same reason why Muslim women are so adamant to not remove their burqa.

**They don't want to hate gay people or be discriminatory, you're basically asking them to do something which they believe might send them to hell.**

It's an extremely tough sell!! Just give it some time and stop being so intolerant and more understanding.

I don't mind having a discussion, but can we at least base it off reality please.

Mate, you're kidding right. Have you been to a hillsong conference before? Maybe only the guns and roses?

I actually know the Tigers pastor - absolutely top bloke. But a lot of these guys don't waver away from the bible. If you believe in heaven, you believe in hell.

But this is what I'm talking about - maybe you don't understand the people who voted no?

I would just rather we discuss reality.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We're talking about religious crossover here with marriage here by the way.

Do you guys even realise what you are asking of certain people? To go against their god? It's the same reason why Muslim women are so adamant to not remove their burqa.

**They don't want to hate gay people or be discriminatory, you're basically asking them to do something which they believe might send them to hell.**

It's an extremely tough sell!! Just give it some time and stop being so intolerant and more understanding.

I don't mind having a discussion, but can we at least base it off reality please.

Mate, you're kidding right. Have you been to a hillsong conference before? Maybe only the guns and roses?

I actually know the Tigers pastor - absolutely top bloke. But a lot of these guys don't waver away from the bible. If you believe in heaven, you believe in hell.

But this is what I'm talking about - maybe you don't understand the people who voted no? Why did Izzy Falou vote no if he believed there was no repercussions from his god?

I really don't care about Falou's god fearing, or anyone else's for that matter. I think what's more important are the consequences of your choices, and the impact these have on others lives.

 

[earl]

We are talking about being discriminatory towards gay people. The whole counter arguments of the morons who think the no vote is cool is that they shouldn't be able to serve gay people because they don't like the gays.

It's now time for a change when it comes to marriage. Thank god that the civilised among us voted yes and the no voters can pull their heads in.

Mate, I voted yes. I think they gay people should have the same rights as anyone else and I have some really close friends who are gay.

But honestly, I think you'll find the majority are yes voters who are getting sick and tired the intolerance of the left. It's more sickening to me more than people who are standing ground on religion or are elderly and have grown up with traditional marriage.

You preach empathy and being of a civilised nature, but you don't show it.

This is not a left/right issue.

This left/right thing comes up a lot. I am not left wing. If I believe that gay people have the right to buy whatever produce they want that is legally sold that doesn't make me left wing. If I believe that gay people deserve the same rights as straight people that doesn't make me left wing.

Limiting commerce and human rights is I think more to the left than to the right.

 

[Geo]

You spin me round like a record baby round round round round like a record baby round round round round..

 

[earl]

Ok, lets agree that people who voted no just because they hate gay people are abhorrent. Completely agree with that.

What I disagree with is broad brush strokes being painted over all people who voted no as discriminatory against gay people. Voting no to marriage or not wanting to help with cakes etc. is not necessarily about hating gay people, it can be about people being elderly and reluctant to change or being put in a tough situation due to their religion. It's this way in both the Bible and Koran.

You said before, it's simple. It's not. Telling people to 'pull their heads in' is just ignorant. You're imagining a bunch of rednecks. While some are, a large chunk won't be. Look at the suburbs where there was 'no' votes. Large portion are Muslim suburbs.

Or maybe now we can be intolerant of religion? or others who don't harbour hate, but just are too old to know how to change?

Religious influence is reducing as people become more educated. But that needs time. I don't think it's too hard to understand that some people may actually believe that they will go to hell if they go against their religious text. Or maybe it is too hard? Can you imagine that situation?

To my simple mind, having to go against your god and being damned to hell, sounds mentally tougher than not being able to walk down an isle.

I think we need to be intolerant of discriminatory religious practices. I think people need to realise that we are a civilised society and their religious beliefs especially when they are clearly discriminatory don't matter.

I think you are being way way to easy on people that are religious as well as making this into a big deal over nothing. It's really clear to me. They can have their backward beliefs but at the same time shut their peep holes because we are an enlightened society. It's that simple. Their opinions are out of sync with society as a whole.

So they can talk amongst themselves quietly about their backward beliefs and over time their little congregations will either change and adapt or become less and less relevant. They can't though tell society that SSM is illegal or that gay people can't purchase goods and services.

I honestly don't see the alternative. You can't let these morons have their way.

 

[magpiecol]

Ok, lets agree that people who voted no just because they hate gay people are abhorrent. Completely agree with that.

What I disagree with is broad brush strokes being painted over all people who voted no as discriminatory against gay people. Voting no to marriage or not wanting to help with cakes etc. is not necessarily about hating gay people, it can be about people being elderly and reluctant to change or being put in a tough situation due to their religion. It's this way in both the Bible and Koran.

You said before, it's simple. It's not. Telling people to 'pull their heads in' is just ignorant. You're imagining a bunch of rednecks. While some are, a large chunk won't be. Look at the suburbs where there was 'no' votes. Large portion are Muslim suburbs.

Or maybe now we can be intolerant of religion? or others who don't harbour hate, but just are too old to know how to change?

Religious influence is reducing as people become more educated. But that needs time. I don't think it's too hard to understand that some people may actually believe that they will go to hell if they go against their religious text. Or maybe it is too hard? Can you imagine that situation?

To my simple mind, having to go against your god and being damned to hell, sounds mentally tougher than not being able to walk down an isle.

I think we need to be intolerant of discriminatory religious practices. I think people need to realise that we are a civilised society and their religious beliefs especially when they are clearly discriminatory don't matter.

I think you are being way way to easy on people that are religious as well as making this into a big deal over nothing. It's really clear to me. They can have their backward beliefs but at the same time shut their peep holes because we are an enlightened society. It's that simple. Their opinions are out of sync with society as a whole.

So they can talk amongst themselves quietly about their backward beliefs and over time their little congregations will either change and adapt or become less and less relevant. They can't though tell society that SSM is illegal or that gay people can't purchase goods and services.

I honestly don't see the alternative. You can't let these morons have their way.

You arrogant twerp!!!

:angry:

 

[innsaneink]

Haha
A bit close to the bone eh Col?
LOL