Same sex marriage debate...

[Abraham]

What I have found most interesting during the whole campaign is the unwillingness of the Islamic community to speak up about how they strongly oppose same sex marriage.

This has been written about quite abit lately.

Basically they are scared of losing the political support of their allies on the left by coming out against gay marriage, while at the same time being wary of standing shoulder to shoulder with Christians in their support of traditional marriage.

The alliance between the left and islam has always puzzled me …

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

What I have found most interesting during the whole campaign is the unwillingness of the Islamic community to speak up about how they strongly oppose same sex marriage.

This has been written about quite abit lately.

Basically they are scared of losing the political support of their allies on the left by coming out against gay marriage, while at the same time being wary of standing shoulder to shoulder with Christians in their support of traditional marriage.

The alliance between the left and islam has always puzzled me …

My explanation is that they perceive that they have a common enemy - family based western culture, liberal (in the classical sense, not #RegressiveLeft type :smiley: )/democratic society.
#RegressiveLeft has already finished their 'march through the institutions' initiated/designed by Gramsci/Lukacs/Adorno, even corporations are now faithful slaves e.g. Quantas, AGL, Strarback, free to air TV networks etc.

Old saying certainly applies - enemy of my enemy …. :crazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ

Those 'useful idiots' will be the first that will be killed/persecuted if Sulafis/Wahabis get any power.

 

[supercoach]

I thought the whole thing is pretty simple..vote yes if you are for it and vote no if your against. Really the reason for voting either way makes no difference and it is your choice for what ever reason. You can debate the issue for hours but at the end of the day it is a basically Holden vrs Ford thing

 

[Yossarian]

I thought the whole thing is pretty simple..vote yes if you are for it and vote no if your against. Really the reason for voting either way makes no difference and it is your choice for what ever reason. You can debate the issue for hours but at the end of the day it is a basically Holden vrs Ford thing

Except I'm guessing most Ford fans don't want to stop Holden fans driving on public streets.

 

[colmcd]

I thought the whole thing is pretty simple..vote yes if you are for it and vote no if your against. Really the reason for voting either way makes no difference and it is your choice for what ever reason. You can debate the issue for hours but at the end of the day it is a basically Holden vrs Ford thing

Except I'm guessing most Ford fans don't want to stop Holden fans driving on public streets.

But as we have been arguing, the Holden fans will oppress our freedom of speech and wheel if we ever let them drive Holdens! If people own a Holden, we will never rid ourselves of the Marxist agenda being forced on our racetracks, cars and branding. You only have to change a few letters and Commodore becomes Communist!

*said by a person who owns a Honda, which once had Ford, Mazda and Toyota parts in it! IMHO if you can't die in it, it's not a fun car.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I thought the whole thing is pretty simple..vote yes if you are for it and vote no if your against. Really the reason for voting either way makes no difference and it is your choice for what ever reason. You can debate the issue for hours but at the end of the day it is a basically Holden vrs Ford thing

Except I'm guessing most Ford fans don't want to stop Holden fans driving on public streets.

But as we have been arguing, the Holden fans will oppress our freedom of speech and wheel if we ever let them drive Holdens! If people own a Holden, we will never rid ourselves of the Marxist agenda being forced on our racetracks, cars and branding. You only have to change a few letters and Commodore becomes Communist!

*said by a person who owns a Honda, which once had Ford, Mazda and Toyota parts in it! IMHO if you can't die in it, it's not a fun car.

I drive a Camry, I take it that's the car equivalent of being a Libertarian in that no one likes you and thinks you're a danger to both yourself and everyone else around you?

 

[Geo]

Mazda 3 here…

 

[stryker]

Andrew Webster just outed himself on 360 - to a chorus of how brave he was LMAO

Late to the party Stryker, he was out about 5 years ago old mate.

I guess this is my point. I wasnt aware because it doesnt matter to me. I shouldnt know as its none of my business. Now i do know because he told people through the television. Why? The amount of clowns with bad haircuts who have told me, as a total stranger, that they are gay over the past few years in social gatherings has been crazy. My answer is always the same…."so what"?

 

[colmcd]

I thought the whole thing is pretty simple..vote yes if you are for it and vote no if your against. Really the reason for voting either way makes no difference and it is your choice for what ever reason. You can debate the issue for hours but at the end of the day it is a basically Holden vrs Ford thing

Except I'm guessing most Ford fans don't want to stop Holden fans driving on public streets.

But as we have been arguing, the Holden fans will oppress our freedom of speech and wheel if we ever let them drive Holdens! If people own a Holden, we will never rid ourselves of the Marxist agenda being forced on our racetracks, cars and branding. You only have to change a few letters and Commodore becomes Communist!

*said by a person who owns a Honda, which once had Ford, Mazda and Toyota parts in it! IMHO if you can't die in it, it's not a fun car.

I drive a Camry, I take it that's the car equivalent of being a Libertarian in that no one likes you and thinks you're a danger to both yourself and everyone else around you?

No Way. The Camry is safe, reliable and 0 flare for a car. It is the voting equivalent of Bill Shorten I think.

Abbott I think is the VW range… No breaks. Maybe a VW crossed with a Ford Falcon..

Turnbull is definitely the Lexus of Australian Politics.. .looks great but not so good under the Bonnet.

Still waiting for the Holden Kingswood of Australian Politics to come roaring in... We probably haven't seen one of those since Hawke.

On Libertarianism... I have zero understanding why Libertarians are not Georgists.
It's basically Libertarianism without Inheritances and the tax is applied to Land instead of income.
I.e. no free ride from mum and dad. You make your own way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

 

[stryker]

I think yes voters are Ford fans….for obvious reasons.

 

[earl]

Andrew Webster just outed himself on 360 - to a chorus of how brave he was LMAO

Late to the party Stryker, he was out about 5 years ago old mate.

I guess this is my point. I wasnt aware because it doesnt matter to me. I shouldnt know as its none of my business. Now i do know because he told people through the television. Why? The amount of clowns with bad haircuts who have told me, as a total stranger, that they are gay over the past few years in social gatherings has been crazy. My answer is always the same…."so what"?

I agree but I think part of this is society making it an issue. For instance marriage isn't legal in Australia if you are gay so it becomes an issue. Then we have morons telling us they it should be illegal because the regressive left are stopping them expressing their opinions.

It's all crazy. Marriage should be legal if you are gay or not. I don't care if someone is gay. It's not an issue to me. I don't care if someone is married or not. It's not an issue to me.

So I am definitely voting yes and one of the reasons why is that I don't want it to be an issue if you are gay or not.

I work in a big company and there are obviously gay people in the organisation. On the directory some of them have a I support marriage equality sticker poster across their photo. The other day there was a purple shirt day for youth gay day or whatever it was. I told one of the guys who supported both events that I'm sick of hearing about it. It's not an issue to me and they shouldn't have any reason to campaign but unfortunately they do.

 

[Nelson]

Andrew Webster just outed himself on 360 - to a chorus of how brave he was LMAO

Late to the party Stryker, he was out about 5 years ago old mate.

I guess this is my point. I wasnt aware because it doesnt matter to me. I shouldnt know as its none of my business. Now i do know because he told people through the television. Why? The amount of clowns with bad haircuts who have told me, as a total stranger, that they are gay over the past few years in social gatherings has been crazy. My answer is always the same…."so what"?

If you don't like it you should probably stop going to social gatherings in gay nightclubs then.

 

[Yossarian]

Mazda 3 here…

Put it away Geo!

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Andrew Webster just outed himself on 360 - to a chorus of how brave he was LMAO

Late to the party Stryker, he was out about 5 years ago old mate.

I guess this is my point. I wasnt aware because it doesnt matter to me. I shouldnt know as its none of my business. Now i do know because he told people through the television. Why? The amount of clowns with bad haircuts who have told me, as a total stranger, that they are gay over the past few years in social gatherings has been crazy. My answer is always the same…."so what"?

If you don't like it you should probably stop going to social gatherings in gay nightclubs then.

I agree wholeheartedly - this guy would complain about cow dung on a dairy.

 

[Masterton]

I thought the whole thing is pretty simple..vote yes if you are for it and vote no if your against. Really the reason for voting either way makes no difference and it is your choice for what ever reason. You can debate the issue for hours but at the end of the day it is a basically Holden vrs Ford thing

Yep. I can't imagine there are many people going, "Oh! Is that what it says in the old testament? Well, that's changes everything."

Likewise, even though I strongly support Yes, I won't be bending anyone's ear to agree with me. I just hope both sides can play nice.

 

[stryker]

Andrew Webster just outed himself on 360 - to a chorus of how brave he was LMAO

Late to the party Stryker, he was out about 5 years ago old mate.

I guess this is my point. I wasnt aware because it doesnt matter to me. I shouldnt know as its none of my business. Now i do know because he told people through the television. Why? The amount of clowns with bad haircuts who have told me, as a total stranger, that they are gay over the past few years in social gatherings has been crazy. My answer is always the same…."so what"?

If you don't like it you should probably stop going to social gatherings in gay nightclubs then.

Haw haw haw hee hee hee…i bet you score with all the window lickers on your short bus with that wit...

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Late to the party Stryker, he was out about 5 years ago old mate.

I guess this is my point. I wasnt aware because it doesnt matter to me. I shouldnt know as its none of my business. Now i do know because he told people through the television. Why? The amount of clowns with bad haircuts who have told me, as a total stranger, that they are gay over the past few years in social gatherings has been crazy. My answer is always the same…."so what"?

If you don't like it you should probably stop going to social gatherings in gay nightclubs then.

Haw haw haw hee hee hee…i bet you score with all the window lickers on your short bus with that wit...

I would go as far to say that you couldn't even lay STRAIGHT in bed

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Except I'm guessing most Ford fans don't want to stop Holden fans driving on public streets.

But as we have been arguing, the Holden fans will oppress our freedom of speech and wheel if we ever let them drive Holdens! If people own a Holden, we will never rid ourselves of the Marxist agenda being forced on our racetracks, cars and branding. You only have to change a few letters and Commodore becomes Communist!

*said by a person who owns a Honda, which once had Ford, Mazda and Toyota parts in it! IMHO if you can't die in it, it's not a fun car.

I drive a Camry, I take it that's the car equivalent of being a Libertarian in that no one likes you and thinks you're a danger to both yourself and everyone else around you?

No Way. The Camry is safe, reliable and 0 flare for a car. It is the voting equivalent of Bill Shorten I think.

Abbott I think is the VW range… No breaks. Maybe a VW crossed with a Ford Falcon..

Turnbull is definitely the Lexus of Australian Politics.. .looks great but not so good under the Bonnet.

Still waiting for the Holden Kingswood of Australian Politics to come roaring in... We probably haven't seen one of those since Hawke.

On Libertarianism... I have zero understanding why Libertarians are not Georgists.
It's basically Libertarianism without Inheritances and the tax is applied to Land instead of income.
I.e. no free ride from mum and dad. You make your own way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

Haha I was referring more to Camry drivers not the car itself. I have an Atara SX and it's a great car.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Late to the party Stryker, he was out about 5 years ago old mate.

I guess this is my point. I wasnt aware because it doesnt matter to me. I shouldnt know as its none of my business. Now i do know because he told people through the television. Why? The amount of clowns with bad haircuts who have told me, as a total stranger, that they are gay over the past few years in social gatherings has been crazy. My answer is always the same…."so what"?

If you don't like it you should probably stop going to social gatherings in gay nightclubs then.

Haw haw haw hee hee hee…i bet you score with all the window lickers on your short bus with that wit...

Sometimes the best response is no response at all.

 

[stryker]

I guess this is my point. I wasnt aware because it doesnt matter to me. I shouldnt know as its none of my business. Now i do know because he told people through the television. Why? The amount of clowns with bad haircuts who have told me, as a total stranger, that they are gay over the past few years in social gatherings has been crazy. My answer is always the same…."so what"?

If you don't like it you should probably stop going to social gatherings in gay nightclubs then.

Haw haw haw hee hee hee…i bet you score with all the window lickers on your short bus with that wit...

I would go as far to say that you couldn't even lay STRAIGHT in bed

You ought to talk ponytail boy :laughing: