@hybrid_tiger said:
@southerntiger said:
Hybrid,
Simon actually makes a good point. If we made the 8 this year, would you let Sheens stay and if so, for how long? How long will simply making the finals be considered acceptable?
Depends how far we get in the 8 really, if we made it to the second last week then I would probably be inclined to give him another year or two as he would have earnt it based on 2010 performance. But to hand him another contract now before a ball has even been kicked is just ridiculous.
Take your point about good management r.e a contract, so what is wrong with an OPTION for another year or two depending on performance in 2010? A performance/incentive based contract that requires certain achievements to be activated. What I don't want is another three years just thrown about like it was in 2007\. Of course you remember his last extension, it came just after we had just limped out of finals contention losing against Newcastle at home in what was one of our worst performances under Sheens. He did not deserve an extension, in fact at that time IMO is when the whole place needed a broom put through it, but as you know that never happened. I just don't want to see another situation like that, where basically we can't afford to pay him out even if the board wanted him to move on.
Yes, our recruitment has largely been crap, however we have still had the likes of Marshall, Farah, Lawrence, Galloway (one of the few good buys) etc. I haven't expected us to win the comp, however I did not expect four years without finishing in the top half of the comp with the players we've had. Our squad was not good enough to win the comp in the last couple of years, however it WAS good enough to at least finish 8th out of just 16 teams and I will always maintain this, even despite our pathetic recruitment.
As for this year, well honestly if we can't make the top half of the comp with the current squad then I can't see a single, valid reason why anyone should want Sheens to remain beyond 2010\. It is just incomprehensible.
i must admit your proposal of an option is one of the more sensible suggestions in this thread.
to make sure i am reading it correctly,are you saying give him a 1 year extension and if we make the finals this year, he can have a year added to it.
again though hybrid,you have said this team needed a broom through the club but we had the talent to make the finals.
and how can you include benji in your list when he was injured the majority of the time and very inconsistent up until the back end of last year.
a lack of depth in the halves and at prop are the reasons i have felt we wouldn't make the 8 the last 3 years.
and that does fall back on the coach,there is no denying that.
what i now do is look to see if he has rectified those problem areas.
in the halves i am satisfied with the players we have at the club.
prop is my only real question mark especially when i have only seen limited amounts of play from the up and comers.
i still feel he is one of the greatest attacking minds in the game.
to have morris in the halves the majority of the last 2 years and still have the 1st and 5th highest try scoring teams the last 2 years is amazing.
now if only we could improve our short range kicking so we can wear teams out more with repeat sets would be the icing on the cake.
i like the aggressive approach sheens is taking in regards to trying to get more elite players at the club.
he has certainly made it known to all what he wants,and just as important is that i think he has a ceo that has the ability to act on his coaches vision.
maybe it is that i have read one too many of the daily wests tigers feel good articles over the off season,but i feel we have turned the corner for the better.
yes we should take note of the past,but not make the mistake of dwelling on the past.
and as such,i am willing to back the coach for the next couple of years.
