Sheens

[jirskyr]

**EXCLUSIVE: Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah hoses down fears of Michael Maguire -Tim Sheens partnership not working out**
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/2022-wests-tigers-tim-sheens-appointment-michael-maguire-robbie-farah-exclusive/ca98a6e8-ea21-4ee4-ac5b-5e921d4c8cc8

Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah has shot down fears of coach Michael Maguire feeling at unease over greater responsibility being handed to Tim Sheens at the embattled club.

The man who led a youthful Tigers outfit to the 2005 NRL premiership returned to the club in June as head of football performance, before taking on the role of director of coaching in September amid the club's tumultuous internal review.

The appointment led Michael Chammas of The Sydney Morning Herald to ask rugby league guru Phil Gould how Maguire would feel about it.

"How do you take it as coach... if they are bringing in someone over the top of you, Gus?" Chammas said on Nine's 100% Footy in September.

"How would Michael Maguire... take Tim Sheens' appointment?"

The two-man partnership between Sheens and Maguire, the man who steered the Rabbitohs to the 2014 NRL title, is a hot talking point heading into the 2022 season.

But as the Tigers filter back to the club for pre-season training, intent on ending a 10-year finals exile, Farah has hosed down talk of Maguire being uncomfortable with Sheens' appointment in an interview with Wide World of Sports.

"I don't think that's the case at all, to be honest," said Farah, who's now a Tigers trainer.
"When you can bring in someone of Sheensy's quality you would be mad not to.

"He can oversee the whole football program. He's not only there to oversee what's happening with the NRL squad; it's about laying the foundations in our junior pathways, our grassroots, making sure we're a strong club from the bottom up.

"That's what it's about, that's what brings us sustained success. It's not about making the semi-finals for one season and then dropping out the year after; it's about making sure that we're a competitive club year on end.

"That's because you lay the foundations and that starts from the bottom up and that's what Sheensy's role is.
"I think it's a great appointment, I know Madge thinks it's a great appointment.

"They've been great," Farah said.
"I know Madge is really keen to work with Tim.


Paws must be beside himself with this news?

I can't wait for Maguire to get his instructions from Sheens. I hope it is words to the effect

"Michael, that crap you've been serving up for three years, five hit ups and a bomb is never to be played again at WTs. We have the players, we play football, throw it around. Oh, Michael, have Nathan implement a cohesive and effective defensive plan".

You know deep down, that is not what is going to happen, but keep dreaming.?

It is though. Sheens runs everything now. He tells Madge to jump and Madge will ask how high.

Keep believing, you know it’s a dream.

TW we could go back and forth on this all day. Just look at the org chart. Madge below Sheens.

Yes he is, but so, Pascoe is above Sheens, that doesn’t mean he will manage the footy? It’s why he got Sheens in the first place, do you really believe he will take over coaching the team? There is a lot of other things to get organised (like getting some players) to do, before he needs to worry about the coach.

Don't you think Sheens has a brand of football he would like all teams at WTs, Wests and Balmain reps to play? I believe this is where Sheens can add value. He tells your demi-god that he is to implement this Brand in the NRL team. The other coaches of KOE, U20s, SG Ball and HM would receive the same instructions.

Hmmm, we all know @pawsandclaws1 you're so heavily invested, credibilty wise, for the Sheens coaching coordination role to go well. But, in my humble opinion, your comments have drifted from fantasy to delusion to paranoia.

Do you genuinely think that a relic of the past like Sheens will be "dictating" contemporary coaching strategies to Maguire and others? Do you really?

It's blissful delusion.

The consistent issue about you TT is that you always target the man.

Well, it might be an "issue" for you @pawsandclaws1, but I am only offering a different perspective on what you so regularly offer on here. Isn't that what a forum is about?

It’s an issue for most people. You’ve never had an original thought as to what should he done, you just target posters with drivel.

Hmm....well.... the usual suspects are out in force. Playing the victim card to counter those who are reasoned enough to call out the absolutism of others' "opinions" on here.

But, I'll keep at it.

You don’t have an opinion.

Actually, that's all I've got, is an opinion. Just like you, and others.

I just don't try to present my opinions as "fact" or as coming from some greater knowledge about topics than others on here.

Great then argue the point. If you disagree tell me why rather than having a dig at me. As an example, me and @TigerWest have had a million arguments about Madge but they’ve never been personal.

Look, this is, no doubt, boring for the rest of the people viewing this stuff. I think most would recoginse that I am questioning "opinions" that are offered as "fact".

Such as your mate, @pawsandclaws1 suggesting the existence a hierarchical structure that has Maguire "answerable" to Sheens and Sheens directly issuing edicts to Maguire about how the NRL squad will be coached. I "think" that's BS that needs to be called out for what it is.

What do you think his role will be?

I think his role will be to ensure all WT coaches have necessary resources, clear communication lines with each other and senior club management, to offer his perspectives on recruitment, retention, strategy and future planning, embedding the CoE as part of a, hopefully, more successful WT structure, represent the "football" department in executive leadership and management discussions, remind Chairman Mouth and Pascoe about effective promotion and representation of the club in the media and in corporate circles ..... to name a few of his KPIs, in my opinion.

But, nowhere does my job description for him include having a direct supervisory role role that requires Maguire and Gardiner and Cayless (et al) to run any selection or game specific tactical decisions by him.

And, if the coaching staff are smart enough (and i think they are), they will seek his input in their decision making in a collegial, mutually respectful and professional manner. That's exactly how Lee H explained the role that Sheens would fulfil. Collegial, supportive and coherent in bringing all aspects of the WT together from a football department perspective.

That others on here are salivating on the prospect of Sheens taking control of the coaching of the NRL squad and isolating and diminsihing the role of Maguire, speaks more about their prejudices than my thinking of Sheens' role at and value to the club. I'll say it again; it's sweet delusion.

You can frame it anyway you like Tiger Tragic, but as has been previously posted, Tim Sheens is the big Kahuna. As to his involvement in the NRL team, as the big Kahuna he will decide his level of involvement.

Can’t believe people still think Madge is in control.

As you so succinctly wrote last night, Sheens says jump and Maguire says how high.

Good god man you are going to bore us all to death with this stuff if you keep it going for the rest of season 2022, or god forbid if Madge survives the season, for season 2023.

 

[JC99]

So what’s the expectation on sheens? 9th, top 8, top 6, top 4.

Does he take the blame if we don’t improve and we lose our juniors?

Won't make a difference... bottom 4.

Of course Sheens will be involved in the NRL team and the players, is that not half the reason he was brought over? You don't bring a premiership winning coach over and don't let him help out in some capacity... Madge will be talking to him plenty if he's smart.

 

[innsaneink]

He needs to view vision of our games this year and somehow rectify the lack of attitude effort and application

Good luck

 

[Snake]

He needs to view vision of our games this year and somehow rectify the lack of attitude effort and application

Good luck

I thought Sheens was not the coach … the talk in the Tele this morning is how he will have a huge impact on the players and team … Elias was talking like he was the coach .
Maguire the coach in name only it seems as it’s all about Sheens turning the team around … Weststigers a strange beast !

 

[The_Patriot]

He needs to view vision of our games this year and somehow rectify the lack of attitude effort and application

Good luck

Attitude effort and application.

Nailed it.

 

[jadtiger]

He needs to view vision of our games this year and somehow rectify the lack of attitude effort and application

Good luck

I thought Sheens was not the coach … the talk in the Tele this morning is how he will have a huge impact on the players and team … Elias was talking like he was the coach .
Maguire the coach in name only it seems as it’s all about Sheens turning the team around … Weststigers a strange beast !

If "back door benny" is singing his praises sheens should be very nervous

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

This Madge Sheens set up is ridiculous and you can see exactly what will happen:

We’re winning - Sheens has turned the team around

We’re losing - Madge has to go. Terrible coach

There are no winners in this

 

[innsaneink]

He needs to view vision of our games this year and somehow rectify the lack of attitude effort and application

Good luck

I thought Sheens was not the coach … the talk in the Tele this morning is how he will have a huge impact on the players and team … Elias was talking like he was the coach .
Maguire the coach in name only it seems as it’s all about Sheens turning the team around … Weststigers a strange beast !

Madge couldn't do it.... I don't care what it says on sheens' nameplate on his desk.... What's he here for if not to help with the football

 

[earl]

I'll worry when team list Tuesday hits and Nofoaluma's named at Prop with 3 wingers on the bench..

Team selections will show us how in charge and coherent the Sheenius is. I mentioned my inside mail previously and I don't want to big note myself but I'm pretty confident Mikaele is going to our Cam Munster.

What do you mean by that... He will play 6 or just a joke

A joke mate. Sheenius does some crazy stuff.

 

[twentyforty]

All this nonsense talk of friction between Madge and Sheens is pure speculation and definitely not the expectation of two experienced campaigners. They won’t be caring about who takes credit for improved on field performance as long as it happens.

 

[tony soprano]

This Madge Sheens set up is ridiculous and you can see exactly what will happen:

We’re winning - Sheens has turned the team around

We’re losing - Madge has to go. Terrible coach

There are no winners in this

Who knows mate.

They have some similarities in terms of both keen on bringing juniors through.

Difference is at Souths madge had tier 1 first graders and sheens managed a few years to make our players tier 1 players.

The elephant in the room in the squad. Players still don't want to come here.

Is it madge, is it the squad? Both? This year squad doesn't screem out come join our team. A massive failure by hartigan/madge this year. Did they really think guys like tamou, BJ, luchiano,AD, Brooks, luchiano, garner say to other players to come here. Not only are they average in their position they don't seem to be great for team harmony. At least gildart gives a positive vibe to say to others hey I'm a good fun bloke, if he can stay on the field and score a few tries will really help team harmony. Same goes with Hastings.


They really need to start thinking about who they recruit how they will be seen to other players to come join the team.

 

[tony soprano]

He needs to view vision of our games this year and somehow rectify the lack of attitude effort and application

Good luck

I thought Sheens was not the coach … the talk in the Tele this morning is how he will have a huge impact on the players and team … Elias was talking like he was the coach .
Maguire the coach in name only it seems as it’s all about Sheens turning the team around … Weststigers a strange beast !

Madge couldn't do it.... I don't care what it says on sheens' nameplate on his desk.... What's he here for if not to help with the football

Madge has openly said the job was tougher then he expected, so not sure what your point is.

 

[tony soprano]

Madge and hartigan was a match made in hell by the sounds of it.

 

[Telltails]

Hartigan's recruitment stategy probably works well when you have the nucleus of a squad with key players in the key positions. Very difficult for any coach to compete, let alone succeed when you simply don't have the talent and are relying on young guys to step up before they are ready and unwanteds/ journeymen to lift to another gear.

 

[twentyforty]

Hartigan's recruitment stategy probably works well when you have the nucleus of a squad with key players in the key positions. Very difficult for any coach to compete, let alone succeed when you simply don't have the talent and are relying on young guys to step up before they are ready and unwanteds/ journeymen to lift to another gear.

Hartigan’s (if you can put his name to it) recruitment strategy did achieve one of its goals, when you consider the strong, balanced cap we now have. Only problem with it is , should have been done sooner.

 

[Tiger5150]

This Madge Sheens set up is ridiculous and you can see exactly what will happen:

We’re winning - Sheens has turned the team around

We’re losing - Madge has to go. Terrible coach

There are no winners in this

Sheens is a winner in your scenario

 

[BalmainJnr]

We will know plenty about the Madge/Sheens relationship come round one team selections.
There will either be a winger on the bench or there won’t.

 

[Russell]

**EXCLUSIVE: Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah hoses down fears of Michael Maguire -Tim Sheens partnership not working out**
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/2022-wests-tigers-tim-sheens-appointment-michael-maguire-robbie-farah-exclusive/ca98a6e8-ea21-4ee4-ac5b-5e921d4c8cc8

Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah has shot down fears of coach Michael Maguire feeling at unease over greater responsibility being handed to Tim Sheens at the embattled club.

The man who led a youthful Tigers outfit to the 2005 NRL premiership returned to the club in June as head of football performance, before taking on the role of director of coaching in September amid the club's tumultuous internal review.

The appointment led Michael Chammas of The Sydney Morning Herald to ask rugby league guru Phil Gould how Maguire would feel about it.

"How do you take it as coach... if they are bringing in someone over the top of you, Gus?" Chammas said on Nine's 100% Footy in September.

"How would Michael Maguire... take Tim Sheens' appointment?"

The two-man partnership between Sheens and Maguire, the man who steered the Rabbitohs to the 2014 NRL title, is a hot talking point heading into the 2022 season.

But as the Tigers filter back to the club for pre-season training, intent on ending a 10-year finals exile, Farah has hosed down talk of Maguire being uncomfortable with Sheens' appointment in an interview with Wide World of Sports.

"I don't think that's the case at all, to be honest," said Farah, who's now a Tigers trainer.
"When you can bring in someone of Sheensy's quality you would be mad not to.

"He can oversee the whole football program. He's not only there to oversee what's happening with the NRL squad; it's about laying the foundations in our junior pathways, our grassroots, making sure we're a strong club from the bottom up.

"That's what it's about, that's what brings us sustained success. It's not about making the semi-finals for one season and then dropping out the year after; it's about making sure that we're a competitive club year on end.

"That's because you lay the foundations and that starts from the bottom up and that's what Sheensy's role is.
"I think it's a great appointment, I know Madge thinks it's a great appointment.

"They've been great," Farah said.
"I know Madge is really keen to work with Tim.


Paws must be beside himself with this news?

I can't wait for Maguire to get his instructions from Sheens. I hope it is words to the effect

"Michael, that crap you've been serving up for three years, five hit ups and a bomb is never to be played again at WTs. We have the players, we play football, throw it around. Oh, Michael, have Nathan implement a cohesive and effective defensive plan".

You know deep down, that is not what is going to happen, but keep dreaming.?

It is though. Sheens runs everything now. He tells Madge to jump and Madge will ask how high.

Keep believing, you know it’s a dream.

TW we could go back and forth on this all day. Just look at the org chart. Madge below Sheens.

Yes he is, but so, Pascoe is above Sheens, that doesn’t mean he will manage the footy? It’s why he got Sheens in the first place, do you really believe he will take over coaching the team? There is a lot of other things to get organised (like getting some players) to do, before he needs to worry about the coach.

Don't you think Sheens has a brand of football he would like all teams at WTs, Wests and Balmain reps to play? I believe this is where Sheens can add value. He tells your demi-god that he is to implement this Brand in the NRL team. The other coaches of KOE, U20s, SG Ball and HM would receive the same instructions.

Hmmm, we all know @pawsandclaws1 you're so heavily invested, credibilty wise, for the Sheens coaching coordination role to go well. But, in my humble opinion, your comments have drifted from fantasy to delusion to paranoia.

Do you genuinely think that a relic of the past like Sheens will be "dictating" contemporary coaching strategies to Maguire and others? Do you really?

It's blissful delusion.

The consistent issue about you TT is that you always target the man.

Well, it might be an "issue" for you @pawsandclaws1, but I am only offering a different perspective on what you so regularly offer on here. Isn't that what a forum is about?

It’s an issue for most people. You’ve never had an original thought as to what should he done, you just target posters with drivel.

Hmm....well.... the usual suspects are out in force. Playing the victim card to counter those who are reasoned enough to call out the absolutism of others' "opinions" on here.

But, I'll keep at it.

You don’t have an opinion.

Actually, that's all I've got, is an opinion. Just like you, and others.

I just don't try to present my opinions as "fact" or as coming from some greater knowledge about topics than others on here.

Great then argue the point. If you disagree tell me why rather than having a dig at me. As an example, me and @TigerWest have had a million arguments about Madge but they’ve never been personal.

Look, this is, no doubt, boring for the rest of the people viewing this stuff. I think most would recoginse that I am questioning "opinions" that are offered as "fact".

Such as your mate, @pawsandclaws1 suggesting the existence a hierarchical structure that has Maguire "answerable" to Sheens and Sheens directly issuing edicts to Maguire about how the NRL squad will be coached. I "think" that's BS that needs to be called out for what it is.

What do you think his role will be?

I think his role will be to ensure all WT coaches have necessary resources, clear communication lines with each other and senior club management, to offer his perspectives on recruitment, retention, strategy and future planning, embedding the CoE as part of a, hopefully, more successful WT structure, represent the "football" department in executive leadership and management discussions, remind Chairman Mouth and Pascoe about effective promotion and representation of the club in the media and in corporate circles ..... to name a few of his KPIs, in my opinion.

But, nowhere does my job description for him include having a direct supervisory role role that requires Maguire and Gardiner and Cayless (et al) to run any selection or game specific tactical decisions by him.

And, if the coaching staff are smart enough (and i think they are), they will seek his input in their decision making in a collegial, mutually respectful and professional manner. That's exactly how Lee H explained the role that Sheens would fulfil. Collegial, supportive and coherent in bringing all aspects of the WT together from a football department perspective.

That others on here are salivating on the prospect of Sheens taking control of the coaching of the NRL squad and isolating and diminsihing the role of Maguire, speaks more about their prejudices than my thinking of Sheens' role at and value to the club. I'll say it again; it's sweet delusion.

You can frame it anyway you like Tiger Tragic, but as has been previously posted, Tim Sheens is the big Kahuna. As to his involvement in the NRL team, as the big Kahuna he will decide his level of involvement.

Can’t believe people still think Madge is in control.

Well then, I can't believe that you and Paws are going to blame Madge IF they don't make the 8.

Obviously it is all on Sheens.

 

[avocadoontoast]

**EXCLUSIVE: Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah hoses down fears of Michael Maguire -Tim Sheens partnership not working out**
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/2022-wests-tigers-tim-sheens-appointment-michael-maguire-robbie-farah-exclusive/ca98a6e8-ea21-4ee4-ac5b-5e921d4c8cc8

Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah has shot down fears of coach Michael Maguire feeling at unease over greater responsibility being handed to Tim Sheens at the embattled club.

The man who led a youthful Tigers outfit to the 2005 NRL premiership returned to the club in June as head of football performance, before taking on the role of director of coaching in September amid the club's tumultuous internal review.

The appointment led Michael Chammas of The Sydney Morning Herald to ask rugby league guru Phil Gould how Maguire would feel about it.

"How do you take it as coach... if they are bringing in someone over the top of you, Gus?" Chammas said on Nine's 100% Footy in September.

"How would Michael Maguire... take Tim Sheens' appointment?"

The two-man partnership between Sheens and Maguire, the man who steered the Rabbitohs to the 2014 NRL title, is a hot talking point heading into the 2022 season.

But as the Tigers filter back to the club for pre-season training, intent on ending a 10-year finals exile, Farah has hosed down talk of Maguire being uncomfortable with Sheens' appointment in an interview with Wide World of Sports.

"I don't think that's the case at all, to be honest," said Farah, who's now a Tigers trainer.
"When you can bring in someone of Sheensy's quality you would be mad not to.

"He can oversee the whole football program. He's not only there to oversee what's happening with the NRL squad; it's about laying the foundations in our junior pathways, our grassroots, making sure we're a strong club from the bottom up.

"That's what it's about, that's what brings us sustained success. It's not about making the semi-finals for one season and then dropping out the year after; it's about making sure that we're a competitive club year on end.

"That's because you lay the foundations and that starts from the bottom up and that's what Sheensy's role is.
"I think it's a great appointment, I know Madge thinks it's a great appointment.

"They've been great," Farah said.
"I know Madge is really keen to work with Tim.


Paws must be beside himself with this news?

I can't wait for Maguire to get his instructions from Sheens. I hope it is words to the effect

"Michael, that crap you've been serving up for three years, five hit ups and a bomb is never to be played again at WTs. We have the players, we play football, throw it around. Oh, Michael, have Nathan implement a cohesive and effective defensive plan".

You know deep down, that is not what is going to happen, but keep dreaming.?

It is though. Sheens runs everything now. He tells Madge to jump and Madge will ask how high.

Keep believing, you know it’s a dream.

TW we could go back and forth on this all day. Just look at the org chart. Madge below Sheens.

Yes he is, but so, Pascoe is above Sheens, that doesn’t mean he will manage the footy? It’s why he got Sheens in the first place, do you really believe he will take over coaching the team? There is a lot of other things to get organised (like getting some players) to do, before he needs to worry about the coach.

Don't you think Sheens has a brand of football he would like all teams at WTs, Wests and Balmain reps to play? I believe this is where Sheens can add value. He tells your demi-god that he is to implement this Brand in the NRL team. The other coaches of KOE, U20s, SG Ball and HM would receive the same instructions.

Hmmm, we all know @pawsandclaws1 you're so heavily invested, credibilty wise, for the Sheens coaching coordination role to go well. But, in my humble opinion, your comments have drifted from fantasy to delusion to paranoia.

Do you genuinely think that a relic of the past like Sheens will be "dictating" contemporary coaching strategies to Maguire and others? Do you really?

It's blissful delusion.

The consistent issue about you TT is that you always target the man.

Well, it might be an "issue" for you @pawsandclaws1, but I am only offering a different perspective on what you so regularly offer on here. Isn't that what a forum is about?

It’s an issue for most people. You’ve never had an original thought as to what should he done, you just target posters with drivel.

Hmm....well.... the usual suspects are out in force. Playing the victim card to counter those who are reasoned enough to call out the absolutism of others' "opinions" on here.

But, I'll keep at it.

You don’t have an opinion.

Actually, that's all I've got, is an opinion. Just like you, and others.

I just don't try to present my opinions as "fact" or as coming from some greater knowledge about topics than others on here.

Great then argue the point. If you disagree tell me why rather than having a dig at me. As an example, me and @TigerWest have had a million arguments about Madge but they’ve never been personal.

Look, this is, no doubt, boring for the rest of the people viewing this stuff. I think most would recoginse that I am questioning "opinions" that are offered as "fact".

Such as your mate, @pawsandclaws1 suggesting the existence a hierarchical structure that has Maguire "answerable" to Sheens and Sheens directly issuing edicts to Maguire about how the NRL squad will be coached. I "think" that's BS that needs to be called out for what it is.

What do you think his role will be?

I think his role will be to ensure all WT coaches have necessary resources, clear communication lines with each other and senior club management, to offer his perspectives on recruitment, retention, strategy and future planning, embedding the CoE as part of a, hopefully, more successful WT structure, represent the "football" department in executive leadership and management discussions, remind Chairman Mouth and Pascoe about effective promotion and representation of the club in the media and in corporate circles ..... to name a few of his KPIs, in my opinion.

But, nowhere does my job description for him include having a direct supervisory role role that requires Maguire and Gardiner and Cayless (et al) to run any selection or game specific tactical decisions by him.

And, if the coaching staff are smart enough (and i think they are), they will seek his input in their decision making in a collegial, mutually respectful and professional manner. That's exactly how Lee H explained the role that Sheens would fulfil. Collegial, supportive and coherent in bringing all aspects of the WT together from a football department perspective.

That others on here are salivating on the prospect of Sheens taking control of the coaching of the NRL squad and isolating and diminsihing the role of Maguire, speaks more about their prejudices than my thinking of Sheens' role at and value to the club. I'll say it again; it's sweet delusion.

You can frame it anyway you like Tiger Tragic, but as has been previously posted, Tim Sheens is the big Kahuna. As to his involvement in the NRL team, as the big Kahuna he will decide his level of involvement.

Can’t believe people still think Madge is in control.

Well then, I can't believe that you and Paws are going to blame Madge IF they don't make the 8.

Obviously it is all on Sheens.

I'm not expecting them to make the 8. It's going to take more than a season to undo the mess of the past three years.

 

[Russell]

**EXCLUSIVE: Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah hoses down fears of Michael Maguire -Tim Sheens partnership not working out**
https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/2022-wests-tigers-tim-sheens-appointment-michael-maguire-robbie-farah-exclusive/ca98a6e8-ea21-4ee4-ac5b-5e921d4c8cc8

Wests Tigers great Robbie Farah has shot down fears of coach Michael Maguire feeling at unease over greater responsibility being handed to Tim Sheens at the embattled club.

The man who led a youthful Tigers outfit to the 2005 NRL premiership returned to the club in June as head of football performance, before taking on the role of director of coaching in September amid the club's tumultuous internal review.

The appointment led Michael Chammas of The Sydney Morning Herald to ask rugby league guru Phil Gould how Maguire would feel about it.

"How do you take it as coach... if they are bringing in someone over the top of you, Gus?" Chammas said on Nine's 100% Footy in September.

"How would Michael Maguire... take Tim Sheens' appointment?"

The two-man partnership between Sheens and Maguire, the man who steered the Rabbitohs to the 2014 NRL title, is a hot talking point heading into the 2022 season.

But as the Tigers filter back to the club for pre-season training, intent on ending a 10-year finals exile, Farah has hosed down talk of Maguire being uncomfortable with Sheens' appointment in an interview with Wide World of Sports.

"I don't think that's the case at all, to be honest," said Farah, who's now a Tigers trainer.
"When you can bring in someone of Sheensy's quality you would be mad not to.

"He can oversee the whole football program. He's not only there to oversee what's happening with the NRL squad; it's about laying the foundations in our junior pathways, our grassroots, making sure we're a strong club from the bottom up.

"That's what it's about, that's what brings us sustained success. It's not about making the semi-finals for one season and then dropping out the year after; it's about making sure that we're a competitive club year on end.

"That's because you lay the foundations and that starts from the bottom up and that's what Sheensy's role is.
"I think it's a great appointment, I know Madge thinks it's a great appointment.

"They've been great," Farah said.
"I know Madge is really keen to work with Tim.


Paws must be beside himself with this news?

I can't wait for Maguire to get his instructions from Sheens. I hope it is words to the effect

"Michael, that crap you've been serving up for three years, five hit ups and a bomb is never to be played again at WTs. We have the players, we play football, throw it around. Oh, Michael, have Nathan implement a cohesive and effective defensive plan".

You know deep down, that is not what is going to happen, but keep dreaming.?

It is though. Sheens runs everything now. He tells Madge to jump and Madge will ask how high.

Keep believing, you know it’s a dream.

TW we could go back and forth on this all day. Just look at the org chart. Madge below Sheens.

Yes he is, but so, Pascoe is above Sheens, that doesn’t mean he will manage the footy? It’s why he got Sheens in the first place, do you really believe he will take over coaching the team? There is a lot of other things to get organised (like getting some players) to do, before he needs to worry about the coach.

Don't you think Sheens has a brand of football he would like all teams at WTs, Wests and Balmain reps to play? I believe this is where Sheens can add value. He tells your demi-god that he is to implement this Brand in the NRL team. The other coaches of KOE, U20s, SG Ball and HM would receive the same instructions.

Hmmm, we all know @pawsandclaws1 you're so heavily invested, credibilty wise, for the Sheens coaching coordination role to go well. But, in my humble opinion, your comments have drifted from fantasy to delusion to paranoia.

Do you genuinely think that a relic of the past like Sheens will be "dictating" contemporary coaching strategies to Maguire and others? Do you really?

It's blissful delusion.

The consistent issue about you TT is that you always target the man.

Well, it might be an "issue" for you @pawsandclaws1, but I am only offering a different perspective on what you so regularly offer on here. Isn't that what a forum is about?

It’s an issue for most people. You’ve never had an original thought as to what should he done, you just target posters with drivel.

Hmm....well.... the usual suspects are out in force. Playing the victim card to counter those who are reasoned enough to call out the absolutism of others' "opinions" on here.

But, I'll keep at it.

You don’t have an opinion.

Actually, that's all I've got, is an opinion. Just like you, and others.

I just don't try to present my opinions as "fact" or as coming from some greater knowledge about topics than others on here.

Great then argue the point. If you disagree tell me why rather than having a dig at me. As an example, me and @TigerWest have had a million arguments about Madge but they’ve never been personal.

Look, this is, no doubt, boring for the rest of the people viewing this stuff. I think most would recoginse that I am questioning "opinions" that are offered as "fact".

Such as your mate, @pawsandclaws1 suggesting the existence a hierarchical structure that has Maguire "answerable" to Sheens and Sheens directly issuing edicts to Maguire about how the NRL squad will be coached. I "think" that's BS that needs to be called out for what it is.

What do you think his role will be?

I think his role will be to ensure all WT coaches have necessary resources, clear communication lines with each other and senior club management, to offer his perspectives on recruitment, retention, strategy and future planning, embedding the CoE as part of a, hopefully, more successful WT structure, represent the "football" department in executive leadership and management discussions, remind Chairman Mouth and Pascoe about effective promotion and representation of the club in the media and in corporate circles ..... to name a few of his KPIs, in my opinion.

But, nowhere does my job description for him include having a direct supervisory role role that requires Maguire and Gardiner and Cayless (et al) to run any selection or game specific tactical decisions by him.

And, if the coaching staff are smart enough (and i think they are), they will seek his input in their decision making in a collegial, mutually respectful and professional manner. That's exactly how Lee H explained the role that Sheens would fulfil. Collegial, supportive and coherent in bringing all aspects of the WT together from a football department perspective.

That others on here are salivating on the prospect of Sheens taking control of the coaching of the NRL squad and isolating and diminsihing the role of Maguire, speaks more about their prejudices than my thinking of Sheens' role at and value to the club. I'll say it again; it's sweet delusion.

You can frame it anyway you like Tiger Tragic, but as has been previously posted, Tim Sheens is the big Kahuna. As to his involvement in the NRL team, as the big Kahuna he will decide his level of involvement.

Can’t believe people still think Madge is in control.

Well then, I can't believe that you and Paws are going to blame Madge IF they don't make the 8.

Obviously it is all on Sheens.

I'm not expecting them to make the 8. It's going to take more than a season to undo the mess of the past three years.

Making excuses for Sheens already.