Should Pascoe stand down if the players walk?

[Swordy]

I dont care whether they go or stay to be honest. I used to want to keep them here, but im now at the stage where i want some players who want to play hard, get angry when they lose and give a crap about how they represent my team. Im not getting any of that from any of the four skins.

I wouldnt be sacking Pascoe if they all left but we bought some cheaper players, managed some depth and were a quality team. I would be sacking him if her paid overs for the four, we struggle cause theres no money left and we were crap. And all just to keep some whinging fans happy,

 

[happy_tiger]

Would starting with a completely clean slate be a bad thing

 

[colmcd]

People quite rightly complain that the players are wielding too much power, that there's a boys club, etc.
Pascoe is not being rushed into signing a coach just to appease these players - and nor should he.

Let the players leave if they are too impatient to let this process unfold. If they do, to me it shows it is primarily about the money.
I mean, really, these guys are going to be paid a motza no matter where they end up playing. So, if they really want to stick tight and want to stay at the club, then surely a few more days/weeks shouldn't matter.
I totally support the management in running this club. We have had far too much of the players influencing management decisions. It stops now. And by the look of it, Pascoe is staying strong.

Were signing Ivan Cleary after a 2 week search. I see very little sign of forethought in this, if it has been a well thought out strategy it has been kept quiet. Yes I would have liked to have seen Taylor succeed, and I would have backed him at the end of last year. However loosing games 44-0 and not fixing our problems in Defense and not working out our attack, well get rid of him.

But get a coach lined up first. Decide if Cleary is the best fit. If Cleary were too replace Des at the dogs then I would prefer Des definitely.

For all the investigations, for all the inquiries…. It seems like "I know someone" decides who the coach is. But hey the interview process got us Mick Potter instead of Brad Arthur :frowning:.... Anyway Ivan is here now for 3.5 years, lets hope he brings light after year 1.

 

[Geo]

I dont care whether they go or stay to be honest. I used to want to keep them here, but im now at the stage where i want some players who want to play hard, get angry when they lose and give a crap about how they represent my team. Im not getting any of that from any of the four skins.

I wouldnt be sacking Pascoe if they all left but we bought some cheaper players, managed some depth and were a quality team. I would be sacking him if her paid overs for the four, we struggle cause theres no money left and we were crap. And all just to keep some whinging fans happy,

I reckon most of the whinging fans want only Tedesco kept…so if it turns out they keep all 4 with the blessing of the new Coach who by all reports will have a major say we may find that they will be both called out to be sacked before the seat is even warmed...

 

[colmcd]

I agree on Tedesco. I think he's the type of player you keep at any cost. The other 3 can chase the money. Who in their right mind is going to offer our halves more than they are already on now.

I actually disagree on Tedesco. He definitely performs as a fullback and is rather outstanding at that spot.
But one injury and I can see another season written off. It's harsh but I don't see him having the resilience and staying power…. Don't get me wrong I would open the bank for him but I wouldn't spend every last penny.

Woods on the other hand, we have seen him as a mainstay and a class forward. We drop him, then we go shopping and we will get what john west rejects. We need class up front, $1m so be it. I think what we should do instead is plan to bring over James Tamou or another Origin mate.

But yes, I am over paying through the nose for 1/2's that don't perform. We have killed off Benji, Farrah, etc just to get a half combination getting us in at 9th that still DOESN"T play together well! Manly was paying DCE $80K when he was winning them matches, were paying LB and MM $500-600 for losing!

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I'm struggling to see what he has achieved since being at the club… From my understanding, the improvement in the financial circumstances at the club is a result of Go & the Board.

He needs to secure strong leadership in all departments from the front office to the football operations.

We will only know if this has been achieved by results on the field!

You do understand the role of the boards? They approve the broad strategic direction advocated by the CEO. It's then up to the CEO's to implement these. When these lines become blurred is when problems arise.

I understand the role of boards… But this is the Wests Tigers we are talking about. Our Board runs everything from football operations to high tea on Thursday at the bingo hall opposite Minto Mall.

I'll be surprised if Pascoe even knows how to use a calculator. Lucky Marina has been there to guide him!

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I agree on Tedesco. I think he's the type of player you keep at any cost. The other 3 can chase the money. Who in their right mind is going to offer our halves more than they are already on now.

I actually disagree on Tedesco. He definitely performs as a fullback and is rather outstanding at that spot.
But one injury and I can see another season written off. It's harsh but I don't see him having the resilience and staying power…. Don't get me wrong I would open the bank for him but I wouldn't spend every last penny.

Woods on the other hand, we have seen him as a mainstay and a class forward. We drop him, then we go shopping and we will get what john west rejects. We need class up front, $1m so be it. I think what we should do instead is plan to bring over James Tamou or another Origin mate.

But yes, I am over paying through the nose for 1/2's that don't perform. We have killed off Benji, Farrah, etc just to get a half combination getting us in at 9th that still DOESN"T play together well! Manly was paying DCE $80K when he was winning them matches, were paying LB and MM $500-600 for losing!

Dont understand what you mean by Tedesco not having the resilience and staying power to overcome injury? He is a bloke that did his knee 30 mins or so into his debut- did he throw in the towel and never play 1st grade again? He fought back from that, then fought back again from a shattered kneecap. He is plenty resilient and tough. Gets smashed every game, legitimately and otherwise by foul play. Would be a tragedy to lose him from our club.
Would swap Brooks or Moses or both for a consistent half with a solid kicking game, we lose so much field position every game by not having a decent kicking game, it is too important of a facet of the game to continually ignore. Same as goalkicking.

 

[Guest]

I think securing the right coach is probably more important than the four amigos, if he screws up appointing the right coach then I really dont care what happens after that
Get Cleary, get Teddy, woods….the rest, meh

Agree. At the moment we'll be fine without Brooks and Moses. Get the coach, and I think Woods and Teddy will quickly follow.

 

[larrycorowa]

I'm struggling to see what he has achieved since being at the club… From my understanding, the improvement in the financial circumstances at the club is a result of Go & the Board.

He needs to secure strong leadership in all departments from the front office to the football operations.

We will only know if this has been achieved by results on the field!

You do understand the role of the boards? They approve the broad strategic direction advocated by the CEO. It's then up to the CEO's to implement these. When these lines become blurred is when problems arise.

I understand the role of boards… But this is the Wests Tigers we are talking about. Our Board runs everything from football operations to high tea on Thursday at the bingo hall opposite Minto Mall.

I'll be surprised if Pascoe even knows how to use a calculator. Lucky Marina has been there to guide him!

It's obvious no-one there knows how to use a calculator. Want go editor of dolly magazine or something….might tell you something about our problems right there. Does anyone know who the football nous is on the board?

 

[jadtiger]

I'm struggling to see what he has achieved since being at the club… From my understanding, the improvement in the financial circumstances at the club is a result of Go & the Board.

He needs to secure strong leadership in all departments from the front office to the football operations.

We will only know if this has been achieved by results on the field!

You do understand the role of the boards? They approve the broad strategic direction advocated by the CEO. It's then up to the CEO's to implement these. When these lines become blurred is when problems arise.

I understand the role of boards… But this is the Wests Tigers we are talking about. Our Board runs everything from football operations to high tea on Thursday at the bingo hall opposite Minto Mall.

I'll be surprised if Pascoe even knows how to use a calculator. Lucky Marina has been there to guide him!

It's obvious no-one there knows how to use a calculator. Want go editor of dolly magazine or something….might tell you something about our problems right there. Does anyone know who the football nous is on the board?

Certainly not the weatherman

 

[supercoach]

Pretty simple really, we have tabled them apparently a new deal, okay there is always a little room for some more negations, so if the Dogs or who ever have blown our offer out the water, than it is time to say good bye. To be honest the only one who is not replaceable is Teddy, the other three could be replaced and probably by a cheaper option.

Pascoe is smart enough not to destroy our cap and our bank balance by getting into a bidding war with a rival club and paying way over the odds. I hope they all stay because I think if we can revamp our pack and give them so go forward things may change, but I back Pascoe all the way if he decides enough enough

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

People quite rightly complain that the players are wielding too much power, that there's a boys club, etc.
Pascoe is not being rushed into signing a coach just to appease these players - and nor should he.

Let the players leave if they are too impatient to let this process unfold. If they do, to me it shows it is primarily about the money.
I mean, really, these guys are going to be paid a motza no matter where they end up playing. So, if they really want to stick tight and want to stay at the club, then surely a few more days/weeks shouldn't matter.
I totally support the management in running this club. We have had far too much of the players influencing management decisions. It stops now. And by the look of it, Pascoe is staying strong.

Were signing Ivan Cleary after a 2 week search. I see very little sign of forethought in this, if it has been a well thought out strategy it has been kept quiet. Yes I would have liked to have seen Taylor succeed, and I would have backed him at the end of last year. However loosing games 44-0 and not fixing our problems in Defense and not working out our attack, well get rid of him.

But get a coach lined up first. Decide if Cleary is the best fit. If Cleary were too replace Des at the dogs then I would prefer Des definitely.

For all the investigations, for all the inquiries…. It seems like "I know someone" decides who the coach is. But hey the interview process got us Mick Potter instead of Brad Arthur :frowning:.... Anyway Ivan is here now for 3.5 years, lets hope he brings light after year 1.

If they hadn't spoken to Cleary before sacking JT then I'm a monkey's uncle.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

I agree on Tedesco. I think he's the type of player you keep at any cost. The other 3 can chase the money. Who in their right mind is going to offer our halves more than they are already on now.

I actually disagree on Tedesco. He definitely performs as a fullback and is rather outstanding at that spot.
But one injury and I can see another season written off. It's harsh but I don't see him having the resilience and staying power…. Don't get me wrong I would open the bank for him but I wouldn't spend every last penny.

Woods on the other hand, we have seen him as a mainstay and a class forward. We drop him, then we go shopping and we will get what john west rejects. We need class up front, $1m so be it. I think what we should do instead is plan to bring over James Tamou or another Origin mate.

But yes, I am over paying through the nose for 1/2's that don't perform. We have killed off Benji, Farrah, etc just to get a half combination getting us in at 9th that still DOESN"T play together well! Manly was paying DCE $80K when he was winning them matches, were paying LB and MM $500-600 for losing!

Dont understand what you mean by Tedesco not having the resilience and staying power to overcome injury? He is a bloke that did his knee 30 mins or so into his debut- did he throw in the towel and never play 1st grade again? He fought back from that, then fought back again from a shattered kneecap. He is plenty resilient and tough. Gets smashed every game, legitimately and otherwise by foul play. Would be a tragedy to lose him from our club.
Would swap Brooks or Moses or both for a consistent half with a solid kicking game, we lose so much field position every game by not having a decent kicking game, it is too important of a facet of the game to continually ignore. Same as goalkicking.

Fortunately the club sees it differently and has tabled offers to all four players, Woods is our only Aust rep player and he is easily our most consistent. He is the leader and the player you sign first. If other players including Tedesco and the two halves played to the consistently high standard that Woods does, our team may be higher up the ladder. As you keep reminding us, the halves and Woods are replaceable, but so is Tedesco. Josh Dugan is unsigned.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I agree on Tedesco. I think he's the type of player you keep at any cost. The other 3 can chase the money. Who in their right mind is going to offer our halves more than they are already on now.

I actually disagree on Tedesco. He definitely performs as a fullback and is rather outstanding at that spot.
But one injury and I can see another season written off. It's harsh but I don't see him having the resilience and staying power…. Don't get me wrong I would open the bank for him but I wouldn't spend every last penny.

Woods on the other hand, we have seen him as a mainstay and a class forward. We drop him, then we go shopping and we will get what john west rejects. We need class up front, $1m so be it. I think what we should do instead is plan to bring over James Tamou or another Origin mate.

But yes, I am over paying through the nose for 1/2's that don't perform. We have killed off Benji, Farrah, etc just to get a half combination getting us in at 9th that still DOESN"T play together well! Manly was paying DCE $80K when he was winning them matches, were paying LB and MM $500-600 for losing!

Dont understand what you mean by Tedesco not having the resilience and staying power to overcome injury? He is a bloke that did his knee 30 mins or so into his debut- did he throw in the towel and never play 1st grade again? He fought back from that, then fought back again from a shattered kneecap. He is plenty resilient and tough. Gets smashed every game, legitimately and otherwise by foul play. Would be a tragedy to lose him from our club.
Would swap Brooks or Moses or both for a consistent half with a solid kicking game, we lose so much field position every game by not having a decent kicking game, it is too important of a facet of the game to continually ignore. Same as goalkicking.

Fortunately the club sees it differently and has tabled offers to all four players, Woods is our only Aust rep player and he is easily our most consistent. He is the leader and the player you sign first. If other players including Tedesco and the two halves played to the consistently high standard that Woods does, our team may be higher up the ladder. As you keep reminding us, the halves and Woods are replaceable, but so is Tedesco. Josh Dugan is unsigned.

What's your mate Wighton's contract situation?

And Lol you claiming Tedesco isn't consistent. He either scored or had a hand in over 50 tries in 2015 and 16\. More than any other player. Not consistent enough for you?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I agree on Tedesco. I think he's the type of player you keep at any cost. The other 3 can chase the money. Who in their right mind is going to offer our halves more than they are already on now.

I actually disagree on Tedesco. He definitely performs as a fullback and is rather outstanding at that spot.
But one injury and I can see another season written off. It's harsh but I don't see him having the resilience and staying power…. Don't get me wrong I would open the bank for him but I wouldn't spend every last penny.

Woods on the other hand, we have seen him as a mainstay and a class forward. We drop him, then we go shopping and we will get what john west rejects. We need class up front, $1m so be it. I think what we should do instead is plan to bring over James Tamou or another Origin mate.

But yes, I am over paying through the nose for 1/2's that don't perform. We have killed off Benji, Farrah, etc just to get a half combination getting us in at 9th that still DOESN"T play together well! Manly was paying DCE $80K when he was winning them matches, were paying LB and MM $500-600 for losing!

Dont understand what you mean by Tedesco not having the resilience and staying power to overcome injury? He is a bloke that did his knee 30 mins or so into his debut- did he throw in the towel and never play 1st grade again? He fought back from that, then fought back again from a shattered kneecap. He is plenty resilient and tough. Gets smashed every game, legitimately and otherwise by foul play. Would be a tragedy to lose him from our club.
Would swap Brooks or Moses or both for a consistent half with a solid kicking game, we lose so much field position every game by not having a decent kicking game, it is too important of a facet of the game to continually ignore. Same as goalkicking.

Fortunately the club sees it differently and has tabled offers to all four players, Woods is our only Aust rep player and he is easily our most consistent. He is the leader and the player you sign first. If other players including Tedesco and the two halves played to the consistently high standard that Woods does, our team may be higher up the ladder. As you keep reminding us, the halves and Woods are replaceable, but so is Tedesco. Josh Dugan is unsigned.

I'm not saying the club shouldn't table offers to all four. They should all be sensible offers and adjusted for reflected performance. Teddy should command great money, Woods should command a reasonably good offer and Broses should command average money.

We need to stop paying for potential.

 

[madunit]

Pascoe should only walk if he yields and gives Moses and Brooks what they believe they are worth as opposed to their actual value.

If those two leave, I wouldn't be fussed. They have been living off the 'potential' tag for too long and have yet to produce the consistent performances required to demand the type of money they are.

Remember the first half to have never played rep footy that got a huge paypacket. Chris Sandow.

Neither deserves more than 300k and if they want more, they can go out and start performing better and on a consistent basis.

It seems that too much of their careers has been focussed on their contracts and not their performances.

 

[Club_Sandwich]

Pascoe should only walk if he yields and gives Moses and Brooks what they believe they are worth as opposed to their actual value.

If those two leave, I wouldn't be fussed. They have been living off the 'potential' tag for too long and have yet to produce the consistent performances required to demand the type of money they are.

Remember the first half to have never played rep footy that got a huge paypacket. Chris Sandow.

Neither deserves more than 300k and if they want more, they can go out and start performing better and on a consistent basis.

It seems that too much of their careers has been focussed on their contracts and not their performances.

Good call. Apart from Teddy and Woods I'd be more focused on retaining Nofo then Brooks and Moses. They need to be put in their place. I just wish we'd kept Austin.

 

[madunit]

There's a few young halves with as much promise getting about. Ata Hingano is one.

We have Littlejohn (I know he's not great)

If we could get Hingano here, then the bargaining power is with the Tigers.

In the end, it doesn't matter how good your halves are if your forwards are constantly getting belted.

We should build a strong pack and get a pair of good centres.

The good halves will come to us then.

Thurston struggled for years until the Cowboys invested heavily in a good forward pack (even if it was initially at the expense of their backline)

 

[Tiger_Watto]

This predicament that alot of you a saying about Broses isnt their doing… From a very young age they had been ear-marked by powers to be and offered the Taj Mahal to stay at Tigerland.

Their price tag is based on the powerbrokers and player managers playing fish. Its not the kids demanding rediculous dollars, its the people around them trying to save face which drives up their price tag.

And if you think Moses will be under $750k you have more than likely been smoking cones with BBF

 

[cqtiger]

If the 4 amigos (good one Ink, love it) leave because we don't pay the outrageous money they are asking, why would anyone be sad?

Everyone on here knows we have near the worst halves pairing in the NRL and we all agree that our pack gets owned most games.

Someone will overs for broses - Bulldogs, knights, dragons - but it shouldn't be us. We have paid overs for years, just on hope. No more.

Woods I would keep but not on the miney being touted. Tedesco is a proven star and should get paid accordingly but if he doesn't want to stay because his mates are let go, stiff.

No more 'hope for juniors' mentality. Go to the market for proper first graders. I just hope Cleary doesn't get the instruction to sign the amigos at all cost.