Should Pascoe stand down if the players walk?

[madunit]

I didn't say he will be under 750k.

I said he shouldn't be offered more than 300k.

What you are failing to realise is that their lack of success doesn't give them an almighty boost in value on the open market. How many clubs have genuinely worse halves than the Tigers. Because they are the only clubs that would pay big for our halves. You won't spend 750k on a half to sit in reggies.

We offer 300k each, if they find more elsewhere, then let them go. More and more people are getting cranky with their lack of match winning performances here (Which I don't agree with because more often than not those results come down to a forward pack that can only last 35 minutes before it gets holes smashed all through it).

We need to invest in a powerful pack with some depth.

Then some centres.

That should be the goal for recruitment this year.

 

[supercoach]

Pascoe should only walk if he yields and gives Moses and Brooks what they believe they are worth as opposed to their actual value.

If those two leave, I wouldn't be fussed. They have been living off the 'potential' tag for too long and have yet to produce the consistent performances required to demand the type of money they are.

Remember the first half to have never played rep footy that got a huge paypacket. Chris Sandow.

Neither deserves more than 300k and if they want more, they can go out and start performing better and on a consistent basis.

It seems that too much of their careers has been focussed on their contracts and not their performances.

very well said

 

[Doc_Tiger]

My fear is the tigers have been in negotiations for a long time with teddy,and if he hasnt signed then the reason why he is waiting to see what moses,brooks and Woods do.As he has stated before he wants to play with these guys.If moses/woods/brooks are considering leaving because of better offers than i would imagine teddy would follow suit,

If he wants to stay with these guys, then he doesn't really want to win a premiership imo. I can't ever see that happening. I definitely can't see a team winning with Brooks as their half. Here's hoping our new coach has some magical fairy dust.
How tiring is it to constantly here players these days say I'll just leave it to my manager. Hold firm Pascoe. Run the club and don't pander to these narcissists.

 

[happy_tiger]

Still think Moses will go from strength to strength behind a decent forward pack

We will regret seeing him leave , but would be just as excited with a complete change of direction

 

[Pawsandclaws]

I actually disagree on Tedesco. He definitely performs as a fullback and is rather outstanding at that spot.
But one injury and I can see another season written off. It's harsh but I don't see him having the resilience and staying power…. Don't get me wrong I would open the bank for him but I wouldn't spend every last penny.

Woods on the other hand, we have seen him as a mainstay and a class forward. We drop him, then we go shopping and we will get what john west rejects. We need class up front, $1m so be it. I think what we should do instead is plan to bring over James Tamou or another Origin mate.

But yes, I am over paying through the nose for 1/2's that don't perform. We have killed off Benji, Farrah, etc just to get a half combination getting us in at 9th that still DOESN"T play together well! Manly was paying DCE $80K when he was winning them matches, were paying LB and MM $500-600 for losing!

Dont understand what you mean by Tedesco not having the resilience and staying power to overcome injury? He is a bloke that did his knee 30 mins or so into his debut- did he throw in the towel and never play 1st grade again? He fought back from that, then fought back again from a shattered kneecap. He is plenty resilient and tough. Gets smashed every game, legitimately and otherwise by foul play. Would be a tragedy to lose him from our club.
Would swap Brooks or Moses or both for a consistent half with a solid kicking game, we lose so much field position every game by not having a decent kicking game, it is too important of a facet of the game to continually ignore. Same as goalkicking.

Fortunately the club sees it differently and has tabled offers to all four players, Woods is our only Aust rep player and he is easily our most consistent. He is the leader and the player you sign first. If other players including Tedesco and the two halves played to the consistently high standard that Woods does, our team may be higher up the ladder. As you keep reminding us, the halves and Woods are replaceable, but so is Tedesco. Josh Dugan is unsigned.

What's your mate Wighton's contract situation?

And Lol you claiming Tedesco isn't consistent. He either scored or had a hand in over 50 tries in 2015 and 16\. More than any other player. Not consistent enough for you?

I wrote "played to the consistently high standard that Wood does". But you interpret this as "claiming Tedesco isn't consistent".

As for Jack Wighton, he moved quite well to put the ball down under our posts. No wonder you are enquiring about his availability!

 

[laufoofan]

The big 4, HAHA.Tes needs to learn how to pass the ball and not to try too much on his own.. As for the others, I don't know what has got into their head. They are in no position to demand. They haven't proved themselves yet. Best , they show what they can do by winning games, not losing them.

 

[tiga4eva]

Brooks and Moses have been on more than $300k for the past 2 seasons. They're not going to be offered a downgrade.

 

[851]

2GB sports news saying the dogs are chasing Teddy and Woods, no mention of the other 2.

 

[supercoach]

I am with the boss, give them a deadline..a week is plenty, take it or leave it. We need to either start planning for life without the "not so big four" or signing them up and reading the riot act to them and telling them now they have marquee contracts we expect performances to match the contracts.

Iam over it and sadly every two bob journo is all over it in a different way. Its now boring

 

[jadtiger]

I am with the boss, give them a deadline..a week is plenty, take it or leave it. We need to either start planning for life without the "not so big four" or signing them up and reading the riot act to them and telling them now they have marquee contracts we expect performances to match the contracts.

Iam over it and sadly every two bob journo is all over it in a different way. Its now boring

Agreed as soon as the coach is officially announced give them a week(take it or leave it).I dont want to lose Woods or Tedesco but i dont want them to keep the club on tenterhooks squeezing the last dollar out of us either.I got over Beetson leaving my club i can certainly get over anyone else doing it.
Move forward

 

[Russell]

This predicament that alot of you a saying about Broses isnt their doing… From a very young age they had been ear-marked by powers to be and offered the Taj Mahal to stay at Tigerland.

Their price tag is based on the powerbrokers and player managers playing fish. Its not the kids demanding rediculous dollars, its the people around them trying to save face which drives up their price tag.

And if you think Moses will be under $750k you have more than likely been smoking cones with BBF

Good post TW - agree totally with your thoughts here.

Moses is worth 750 in my opinion and as Happy said we will regret it if we let him go.

laufoofan you are off with the fairies if you think Woods has not proven himself - what do you want him to do - play the other pack by himself?

Well hes been doing that for donkeys. He is an Australian and SOO front rower and you are saying he hasn't proven himself…. probably worth 750 - 800 in my opinion.

Teddy i'd go to 1.1 - 1.2 - would come into his own again with a good pack.

Brooks - well I think 450 which is 150 less than he is getting now, but incentive increments as he improves - if he does. If he doesn't like that then cheery bye.

JLJ would be a good substitute, but playing 5/8 - (with Moses as half) he is calm under pressure, has a good kicking game and is a very good defender. If Brooks and Moses go - we still have JLJ and we would need to buy a 5/8 or half to fill the gap. There are not too many around off contract this year though.

 

[851]

This predicament that alot of you a saying about Broses isnt their doing… From a very young age they had been ear-marked by powers to be and offered the Taj Mahal to stay at Tigerland.

Their price tag is based on the powerbrokers and player managers playing fish. Its not the kids demanding rediculous dollars, its the people around them trying to save face which drives up their price tag.

And if you think Moses will be under $750k you have more than likely been smoking cones with BBF

Good post TW - agree totally with your thoughts here.

Moses is worth 750 in my opinion and as Happy said we will regret it if we let him go.

laufoofan you are off with the fairies if you think Woods has not proven himself - what do you want him to do - play the other pack by himself?

Well hes been doing that for donkeys. He is an Australian and SOO front rower and you are saying he hasn't proven himself…. probably worth 750 - 800 in my opinion.

Teddy i'd go to 1.1 - 1.2 - would come into his own again with a good pack.

Brooks - well I think 450 which is 150 less than he is getting now, but incentive increments as he improves - if he does. If he doesn't like that then cheery bye.

JLJ would be a good substitute, but playing 5/8 - (with Moses as half) he is calm under pressure, has a good kicking game and is a very good defender. If Brooks and Moses go - we still have JLJ and we would need to buy a 5/8 or half to fill the gap. There are not too many around off contract this year though.

Widdop, Townsend, Johnson are good halves off contract, there are others like Reynolds and a few others but I wouldn't take them.

 

[Masterton]

I think securing the right coach is probably more important than the four amigos, if he screws up appointing the right coach then I really dont care what happens after that
Get Cleary, get Teddy, woods….the rest, meh

Agree. At the moment we'll be fine without Brooks and Moses. Get the coach, and I think Woods and Teddy will quickly follow.

If I were Brooks, I'd be grabbing whatever offer was on the table before it was withdrawn. To me, this indicates the game plan of Isaac Moses more than anything. Hold all 4 out to see if the price will rise. It's worked for Woods perhaps (if he wants to go to the Dogs & the offer isn't a rumour), but not Brooks who has played poorly and is now injured.

 

[Russell]

This predicament that alot of you a saying about Broses isnt their doing… From a very young age they had been ear-marked by powers to be and offered the Taj Mahal to stay at Tigerland.

Their price tag is based on the powerbrokers and player managers playing fish. Its not the kids demanding rediculous dollars, its the people around them trying to save face which drives up their price tag.

And if you think Moses will be under $750k you have more than likely been smoking cones with BBF

Good post TW - agree totally with your thoughts here.

Moses is worth 750 in my opinion and as Happy said we will regret it if we let him go.

laufoofan you are off with the fairies if you think Woods has not proven himself - what do you want him to do - play the other pack by himself?

Well hes been doing that for donkeys. He is an Australian and SOO front rower and you are saying he hasn't proven himself…. probably worth 750 - 800 in my opinion.

Teddy i'd go to 1.1 - 1.2 - would come into his own again with a good pack.

Brooks - well I think 450 which is 150 less than he is getting now, but incentive increments as he improves - if he does. If he doesn't like that then cheery bye.

JLJ would be a good substitute, but playing 5/8 - (with Moses as half) he is calm under pressure, has a good kicking game and is a very good defender. If Brooks and Moses go - we still have JLJ and we would need to buy a 5/8 or half to fill the gap. There are not too many around off contract this year though.

Widdop, Townsend, Johnson are good halves off contract, there are others like Reynolds and a few others but I wouldn't take them.

Looked at the off contract list myself 851 and came up with the same players - that is why I didn't mention them.

Townsend won't leave Sharks, Johnson is too erratic to play with Moses - Wouldn't take Josh Reynolds for a bet and Widdop - ok with Moses but not with JLJ.

 

[boonboon]

Those making statements about how much players are worth. What level of salary cap are you working off $10m, $9m and for how many players 25 or 30 ?

 

[andrew 474]

Wonder if Pascoe and our Board are watching any of these players and thinking we need to get this fixed NOW , or do they know there is no chance of keeping , Woods , Teddy , Moses , where are you Mr Pascoe , how about some info on Ivan and his contract Negotiation , where they feel they are at with the players retention .

 

[Eddie]

It's just poor management all round to have these 4 coming off contract all at once in the off season.

Throw in a lame duck coach who was always going to get flicked after a few poor results?

I don't who to blame, but none of Pascoe, the board or Egen or who ever deserve much credit so far.

Maybe they should stick to blaming the previous CEO, Board, coach etc.

 

[TCL]

I think securing the right coach is probably more important than the four amigos, if he screws up appointing the right coach then I really dont care what happens after that
Get Cleary, get Teddy, woods….the rest, meh

Agree. At the moment we'll be fine without Brooks and Moses. Get the coach, and I think Woods and Teddy will quickly follow.

If I were Brooks, I'd be grabbing whatever offer was on the table before it was withdrawn. To me, this indicates the game plan of Isaac Moses more than anything. Hold all 4 out to see if the price will rise. It's worked for Woods perhaps (if he wants to go to the Dogs & the offer isn't a rumour), but not Brooks who has played poorly and is now injured.

if i was issac moses i would be negotiating in the same order. get your two strongest to play the wait game while the club gets desperate and signs your weaker two at inflated prices. once their sorted go hell for leather on big earners.

 

[TYGA]

It is important the GM and coach have a good working relationship and he knows he will be tied to Cleary. The coach is more important than the players except Teddy.

He will be judged from this year he inherited this mess that said his lack of leadership and voice for the. Luv in dark times is concerning.