Should Tapau Go Back to the Bench?

weststigers

weststigers

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Just watching a few of our games with Marty coming off the bench vs him starting and I'm torn as to whether he offers the team better service as impact off the bench or whether he's better starting.

Thoughts?
 
I would… We need more from our bench. Virtually every game we have lost this year is when the second rotation starts.

Maybe Galloway & Taupau from the Bench? I think people overestimate the opening 10min and who should start.

RL is a 17 man game, not 13 + 4 reserves

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I personally think he should come on from the bench. People need to realise now that the best players don't necessarily have to be the players who start games. Yes he is one of our better players and is definitely one of the first picked each week. Yes he has earnt a starting position. But for our team at the moment we can better utilize him coming off the bench.

A number of people have talked about our weakness during the time that our bench players come on. The stats on points scored against us would back that up for sure. Marty could help slow that change in momentum down.

The other big reason why I believe he is best off the bench is that when he comes on fresh he makes a few barnstorming runs here and there. That really lifts the players!! That's important in a time of the game when players are beginning to get tired. He did it for us last year a number of times and he has proved how well he can do it for NZ. He has changed the momentum of the game due to his big runs.

At the moment our bench players are coming on and doing their job but they aren't providing that lift for the rest of the team. I'm not bagging them out at all but they aren't players who are going to change momentum at the moment…

Bringing Galloway on from the bench isn't going to do much. He has improved this year and is playing better, but he still isn't considered an impact player. He doesn't provide any moments where the rest of the team see him do something and get inspired.

I say start Sue and get him playing big minutes. His tackling is great and he was doing really well at the start of the season protecting Moses. Get him out there tackling all day. Bring Marty on from the bench after 20 mins of game time, when he has seen enough from the sidelines to get fired up. Bring Marty and Lodge on together and watch Lodge get inspired by Marty and start provided more impact also!

Bottom line is we need players coming off the bench who can change momentum by inspiring the rest of the team through what they do... Marty has proven he is very good at that. Use your players strengths and get over the schoolboy mindset of "the best players are picked first on the field" because the game now days is much more than that...

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I was a big, big supporter of starting Marty in the backrow at the beginning of the season, but I have changed my mind now. I know he has earned his starting spot, but I reckon we are a better side with him coming from the bench and playing at prop. His impact on a tiring opposition is immense - a point that was rammed home to me after watching the test last week.

The bench is as important as the run on side, imo and sometimes we need our best and strongest coming onto the field of play, fresh, when the opposition is at its weakest, to get the greatest impact - it's purely my opinion, but I'm no coach.
 
@Wests Tigers Fan said:
A number of people have talked about our weakness during the time that our bench players come on. The stats on points scored against us would back that up for sure. Marty could help slow that change in momentum down.

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Fool Gould mentioned this twice last night, so if he is talking about, every other coach (except Taylor) is listening too.

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@Tiger Watto said:
@Wests Tigers Fan said:
A number of people have talked about our weakness during the time that our bench players come on. The stats on points scored against us would back that up for sure. Marty could help slow that change in momentum down.

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Fool Gould mentioned this twice last night, so if he is talking about, every other coach (except Taylor) is listening too.

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He must read the forum then! Either that or it has worryingly become much more obvious than we all probably would have hoped.

It's not that I don't like the bench players. It's just at the moment they don't offer any impact, it's like we are just trying to hold the fort until our starting players return..

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Hi best position for the good of the team is off the bench, no doubt about it. Lodge is too young to provide the impact on his own and the others are too small.

But he wants to start and at the moment I think we are keeping him happy… so that's the problem.
 
He deserves to start given his performance…........but what would probably be best for the team is he comes off the bench.

We are clearly lacking impact with the bench, in every game we've waned when our bench players come on
 
@barra said:
Hi best position for the good of the team is off the bench, no doubt about it. Lodge is too young to provide the impact on his own and the others are too small.

But he wants to start and at the moment I think we are keeping him happy… so that's the problem.
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Keeping him happy is a good thing, but when he goes to re-sign, we might end up hearing "I want to play in a team capable of winning a premiership".

1-17 is a starting spot!

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A football team now consists of 17 players , not just the 13 that start, when a player comes on now is just as important as what position he plays
New Zealand Coach obviously thinks that's where he is most valuable and everything points to that.
He's easily the best player in the game to come on after 20 or so minutes. Compare his display off the bench in the test to his more restrained game for us after starting . His value is in smashing up tired forwards, and no one does it anywhere as well as him
 
If the forwards play like they did last night and against Canberra - it won't matter whether he is in the starting 13 or off the bench.

He is not going to be as effective if the others don't buy into it.

He looks better for NZ because they are all in.

Our forwards are only in sometimes.
 
@Russell said:
If the forwards play like they did last night and against Canberra - it won't matter whether he is in the starting 13 or off the bench.

He is not going to be as effective if the others don't buy into it.

He looks better for NZ because they are all in.

Our forwards are only in sometimes.
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Marty is only as good as the players around him,the test showed that..if everyone put in like Marty,then we would win more games by big margins…
 
@Russell said:
If the forwards play like they did last night and against Canberra - it won't matter whether he is in the starting 13 or off the bench.

He is not going to be as effective if the others don't buy into it.

He looks better for NZ because they are all in.

Our forwards are only in sometimes.
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You are so right there!!
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
A football team now consists of 17 players , not just the 13 that start, when a player comes on now is just as important as what position he plays
New Zealand Coach obviously thinks that's where he is most valuable and everything points to that.
He's easily the best player in the game to come on after 20 or so minutes. Compare his display off the bench in the test to his more restrained game for us after starting . His value is in smashing up tired forwards, and no one does it anywhere as well as him
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Yep, think back twelve months when all and sundry were raving about our bench and use of it, with many of the same (including commentators) now talking about our deficiency when our starters are off.

Three quarters of the "bash brothers" are still with us, hell I'd even go against all my thoughts and try Keefy off the bench if Taupau must start , just to change things up a bit. Bottom line is it is not working, so something has to be done.
 
Yes, play sue 13, and run Marty off the bench to give us a bit of momentum. He is not the type of player you are going to get huge minutes from, particularly if he is asked to do heaps of defence. Really want him to come on when we are I. Top to finish sides off
 
@Tiger Watto said:
I would… We need more from our bench. Virtually every game we have lost this year is when the second rotation starts.

Maybe Galloway & Taupau from the Bench? I think people overestimate the opening 10min and who should start.

RL is a 17 man game, not 13 + 4 reserves

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I agree. I don't tend to notice Taupau much in the first 20 minutes and I think we would be better served with him coming off the bench.
 
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