Should we go with a new narrative?

[TigerWest]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

You are the one who said "He is unable to get anyone playing well.", I'll leave it to you to answer your own statement.

You're kidding with Morris, that's why he was shown the door mid season, but it doesn't seem to suit your story to realise it?

Anyway, I guess we will see what happens when it happens.

You can't name anyone because there isn't anyone. He's hopeless. The sooner you accept it the better off you'll be.

He absolutely got shown the door mid season but he was kicking our arse this year as he has the previous two years. Did he ever miss finals?

You made the stupid statement, you back it up.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

You are the one who said "He is unable to get anyone playing well.", I'll leave it to you to answer your own statement.

You're kidding with Morris, that's why he was shown the door mid season, but it doesn't seem to suit your story to realise it?

Anyway, I guess we will see what happens when it happens.

You can't name anyone because there isn't anyone. He's hopeless. The sooner you accept it the better off you'll be.

He absolutely got shown the door mid season but he was kicking our arse this year as he has the previous two years. Did he ever miss finals?

You made the stupid statement, you back it up.

Exactly, you can't name one. Deep down you know he can't coach too. He's a dud.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

 

[TigerWest]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

You are the one who said "He is unable to get anyone playing well.", I'll leave it to you to answer your own statement.

You're kidding with Morris, that's why he was shown the door mid season, but it doesn't seem to suit your story to realise it?

Anyway, I guess we will see what happens when it happens.

You can't name anyone because there isn't anyone. He's hopeless. The sooner you accept it the better off you'll be.

He absolutely got shown the door mid season but he was kicking our arse this year as he has the previous two years. Did he ever miss finals?

You made the stupid statement, you back it up.

Exactly, you can't name one. Deep down you know he can't coach too. He's a dud.

I see you avoid your statement?? All good.

I hope your shovel has a good edge.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

You are the one who said "He is unable to get anyone playing well.", I'll leave it to you to answer your own statement.

You're kidding with Morris, that's why he was shown the door mid season, but it doesn't seem to suit your story to realise it?

Anyway, I guess we will see what happens when it happens.

You can't name anyone because there isn't anyone. He's hopeless. The sooner you accept it the better off you'll be.

He absolutely got shown the door mid season but he was kicking our arse this year as he has the previous two years. Did he ever miss finals?

You made the stupid statement, you back it up.

Exactly, you can't name one. Deep down you know he can't coach too. He's a dud.

I see you avoid your statement?? All good.

I hope your shovel has a good edge.

You made the statement that he'd improved heaps of players, but you can't name one. You know why? Because you know he hasn't. You want him to succeed which is great, but he won't because he's not up to it.

 

[TigerWest]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

 

[avocadoontoast]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

 

[Demps]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

Yeah, he has no idea. He won a premiership with Sth Sydney and Wigan but yeah he has no idea... :thinking_face:

Paul Green won a comp too...
What's he doing these days?

?

 

[TigerWest]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

That they've been conditioned to accept failure on a large scale under Maguire.

For whatever reason, he cannot get the best from the players he has available. He's had significant input into the squad.

 

[avocadoontoast]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

What a load of crap.

 

[TigerWest]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

That they've been conditioned to accept failure on a large scale under Maguire.

For whatever reason, he cannot get the best from the players he has available. He's had significant input into the squad.

OMG, the players have been doing this for 10 years, Madge wasn't here when the rot set in, he is tasked with changing it, I thought that was understood?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

 

[avocadoontoast]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

That they've been conditioned to accept failure on a large scale under Maguire.

For whatever reason, he cannot get the best from the players he has available. He's had significant input into the squad.

OMG, the players have been doing this for 10 years, Madge wasn't here when the rot set in, he is tasked with changing it, I thought that was understood?

That was his job for sure. But unfortunately for us he ended up being more rotten than the players.

 

[4jtigers]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

Yeah, he has no idea. He won a premiership with Sth Sydney and Wigan but yeah he has no idea... :thinking_face:

Paul Green won a comp too...
What's he doing these days?

?

he coached the Qld team to oblivion - but I am ok with that... GO the BLUES!!! so suddenly coz the BLUES won SoO, Freddy can coach? hhhmmm... I think it has more to do with the cattle too 🙂

 

[Deleted member 3518]

So ...... the hive mind wants the coach sacked again ? Again ? 2 years into a rebuild , bearing in mind Newcastle took something like 5 years , same for the Raiders , pretty well same for the panthers , dogs are still at the bottom . Cool. So I guess we Will never break out of mediocrity then. Because teams with no stability , Never , ever , ever , ever break out of mediocrity . I could literally rattle off 15 teams world wide famous for this . The moment they found stability , and stuck to the plan , low and behold , they started on the come up .
Screw it , I’ll do it . Here’s 15 teams ;

1. Richmond tigers
2. Liverpool reds
3. Cleveland browns
4. New York knicks
5. Golden state warriors
6. LA clippers
7. Philadelphia 76ers
8. Montreal Canadiens
9. Seattle Mariners
10. Houston Astro’s
11. Chicago Cubs
12. Boston Red Sox
13. Leicester City
14. Sydney Swans
And the most famous one , that probably not many people realise ;
The New England Patriots . They were a joke until the early 2000s.
What do they all have in common , they were all known for being choke artists , or absolute garbage , and they either are on the come up right now , or have won the title in thier league recently . All took between 3-5 years to get there , and all had a long term plan that was written about as a long term plan .

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

Yeah, he has no idea. He won a premiership with Sth Sydney and Wigan but yeah he has no idea... :thinking_face:

Paul Green won a comp too...
What's he doing these days?

?

he coached the Qld team to oblivion - but I am ok with that... GO the BLUES!!! so suddenly coz the BLUES won SoO, Freddy can coach? hhhmmm... I think it has more to do with the cattle too 🙂

And that was my issue with Maguire, Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds were so good they made him look far better than he actually is at Souths.. He looked like roadkill at the post game interview following the Storm loss.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

Yeah, he has no idea. He won a premiership with Sth Sydney and Wigan but yeah he has no idea... :thinking_face:

Paul Green won a comp too...
What's he doing these days?

?

he coached the Qld team to oblivion - but I am ok with that... GO the BLUES!!! so suddenly coz the BLUES won SoO, Freddy can coach? hhhmmm... I think it has more to do with the cattle too 🙂

You realise you've just completely contradicted yourself?

 

[TigerWest]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

That they've been conditioned to accept failure on a large scale under Maguire.

For whatever reason, he cannot get the best from the players he has available. He's had significant input into the squad.

OMG, the players have been doing this for 10 years, Madge wasn't here when the rot set in, he is tasked with changing it, I thought that was understood?

That was his job for sure. But unfortunately for us **he ended up being more rotten than the players.**

What a terrible thing to say about anyone.

 

[4jtigers]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

Yeah, he has no idea. He won a premiership with Sth Sydney and Wigan but yeah he has no idea... :thinking_face:

Paul Green won a comp too...
What's he doing these days?

?

he coached the Qld team to oblivion - but I am ok with that... GO the BLUES!!! so suddenly coz the BLUES won SoO, Freddy can coach? hhhmmm... I think it has more to do with the cattle too 🙂

You realise you've just completely contradicted yourself?

ah no mate - I was just trying to annoy the heck out of you lol