Should we go with a new narrative?

[Demps]

Should partner with Pantene: It won't happen overnight, but it will happen (sometime this century.)


 

[TigerWest]

Should partner with Pantene: It won't happen overnight, but it will happen (sometime this century.)

Guaranteed.

 

[avocadoontoast]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

 

[hobbo1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

 

[TigerWest]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

No, but it happens. You're the one who mentioned the scenario?

 

[avocadoontoast]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

 

[hammertime]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

I think it's a good thought.

I can't see a reason why we need to be so mutually exclusive though. Set the bar high but know that we may not achieve it.

The only way we're going to get out of the mess we're in is by building those pathways. Thankfully we've got the leadership in now that recognizes that.

Despite the disappointment of constantly missing out. The term rebuilding over and over again is more heartbreaking.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

It is up to Maguire to get the best from his squad. Do you believe he has? The answer is clearly no. It's time for him to go.

 

[happy_tiger]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

I agree re Madge...he is a massive concern as I very much doubt his ability to teach skills or plays. Yell and motivate, yes. Teach, very debatable.

I do think it is a bottom four roster though...our centers are washed up has beens, our FB is a rookie, our wingers (before Ken arrived) were almost all state cup level...our pack has very little mobility...our props don't bend the line...

I don’t think it is a bottom four roster.

The ladder disagrees with you.

I believe our roster is better than where we are placed. Yes, I believe it is the coach.

I admire your faith.

For mine, 15 rounds and a handful of 40+ points floggings says you have a dud squad.

Especially when you have a multiple premiership winner holding the clipboard.

squad sux ......jury is still out on the coach ...if we can't attract anyone for 2022 and we miss the 8 ..see ya Madge

 

[avocadoontoast]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

No, but it happens. You're the one who mentioned the scenario?

I’m just wondering why he hasn’t had a good season since 2014. Wondering what happened

 

[hobbo1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

 

[the_third]

How does every thread ends up hijacked as discussion on the coach, led by a few posters. It really is tiresome.

 

[hobbo1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

It is up to Maguire to get the best from his squad. Do you believe he has? The answer is clearly no. It's time for him to go.

No he hasn’t I agree
But look at the crap at his disposal ?
Bellamy would have a stroke dealing with this mob

 

[TigerWest]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

No, but it happens. You're the one who mentioned the scenario?

I’m just wondering why he hasn’t had a good season since 2014. Wondering what happened

He's not the only one who it has happened to? He's come into a pretty ordinary footy team, but as you know, I believe he will get us out of it.

 

[hobbo1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

Nofoalooza is the main offender for a piss poor attitude..

 

[Demps]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

It is up to Maguire to get the best from his squad. Do you believe he has? The answer is clearly no. It's time for him to go.

No he hasn’t I agree
But look at the crap at his disposal ?
Bellamy would have a stroke dealing with this mob


 

[hobbo1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

It is up to Maguire to get the best from his squad. Do you believe he has? The answer is clearly no. It's time for him to go.

No he hasn’t I agree
But look at the crap at his disposal ?
Bellamy would have a stroke dealing with this mob


God help us all ?

 

[4jtigers]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

 

[4jtigers]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

plucked out of the ducks back lol