Should we go with a new narrative?

[TigerWest]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.


this is gibberish.

I agree. Cleary literally had half this roster not 3 years ago.

And sacking a coach without some idea of who the replacement will be is complete madness. You could end up with Brad Fittler, or me.

Not sacking a coach who is poorly performed does not appear to be good business. This is especially so when the reason given is fear of the quality of the replacement.

The answer does not have to be one coach. I'm an advocate for Morris being brought in under the tutelage of Sheens. The usual ageist remarks can be set aside. Sheens' is a smart operator and strategist. His style of football in 2005 is adaptable to today's game. We have him now and Morris is a protégé, as is Payten.

Sheens is not the answer, the game has gone past him, he hasn’t been involved here for over 10 years.
Your organisational chart, means Sheens will coach and Morris will be his lackey, will end in tears.

We are in a rebuild, players will come and go, till we get the right balance, changing coaches will do nothing but send us back to step one.

Can you give the rebuild bs a miss. Maguire has had three years and we are going backwards. It's time for him to go.

So you are happy with the team we have?

They have to be ?
It’s not the players it’s the coach ?

Anyone with eyes can see he’s doing a crap job.

But that’s the point, in a few games this year we have played extremely well, the last Souths game is a good example, the players know how to do it, they have done it, but they can’t do it consistently, and imo, that’s on them and they have acknowledged this.

So your defence of Madge is that the team has played well a few times out of 15 games? I would say that’s a damning indictment. It shows we can be competitive but he can’t get them going well enough to sustain it more than once a month.

Also shows that the roster isn’t as bad as everyone makes out. Some people now bagging the roster as our reason for playing poorly are the same people saying we’d make the top 8 in the preseason..

The players aren’t putting in, in a lot of games they are nearly walking up in defence and stick out an arm, look at the game and you will see it.

 

[Needaname]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.


this is gibberish.

I agree. Cleary literally had half this roster not 3 years ago.

And sacking a coach without some idea of who the replacement will be is complete madness. You could end up with Brad Fittler, or me.

Not sacking a coach who is poorly performed does not appear to be good business. This is especially so when the reason given is fear of the quality of the replacement.

The answer does not have to be one coach. I'm an advocate for Morris being brought in under the tutelage of Sheens. The usual ageist remarks can be set aside. Sheens' is a smart operator and strategist. His style of football in 2005 is adaptable to today's game. We have him now and Morris is a protégé, as is Payten.

You keep conveniently forget to acknowledge the quality of Juniors and the cohesion between them when talking up Morris as a coach at the sharks.
Comparatively to us whom after a whole year disrupted by COVID now has a junior team top of the table. Depth of talent does a huge thing for a roster.
Please deal with the facts.

Morris was heavily involved in the Pathways programme at the Sharks. Any cohesion and quality of juniors at the Sharks to a large extent is his doing. Perhaps you just didn't know or conveniently overlooked this fact. Perhaps it is you who needs to deal with the facts.

So what you mean to tell me is that Morris was instrumental in putting together the young talent that were 2015 champions in both Harold Matt’s and SG Ball.
Then 2 years later he coaches that same group of players to a finals series prior to be appointed to interim / head coach of the NRL side.

Look I like Morris as a person. In how he talks and presents himself and I’m sure he’ll do a quality job with another team. But we aren’t comparing apples with apples here.

The magpies and tigers have been terrible in all grades since about 2014.

 

[JayT]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.


this is gibberish.

I agree. Cleary literally had half this roster not 3 years ago.

And sacking a coach without some idea of who the replacement will be is complete madness. You could end up with Brad Fittler, or me.

Not sacking a coach who is poorly performed does not appear to be good business. This is especially so when the reason given is fear of the quality of the replacement.

The answer does not have to be one coach. I'm an advocate for Morris being brought in under the tutelage of Sheens. The usual ageist remarks can be set aside. Sheens' is a smart operator and strategist. His style of football in 2005 is adaptable to today's game. We have him now and Morris is a protégé, as is Payten.

Sheens is not the answer, the game has gone past him, he hasn’t been involved here for over 10 years.
Your organisational chart, means Sheens will coach and Morris will be his lackey, will end in tears.

We are in a rebuild, players will come and go, till we get the right balance, changing coaches will do nothing but send us back to step one.

Can you give the rebuild bs a miss. Maguire has had three years and we are going backwards. It's time for him to go.

So you are happy with the team we have?

They have to be ?
It’s not the players it’s the coach ?

Anyone with eyes can see he’s doing a crap job.

But that’s the point, in a few games this year we have played extremely well, the last Souths game is a good example, the players know how to do it, they have done it, but they can’t do it consistently, and imo, that’s on them and they have acknowledged this.

So your defence of Madge is that the team has played well a few times out of 15 games? I would say that’s a damning indictment. It shows we can be competitive but he can’t get them going well enough to sustain it more than once a month.

Also shows that the roster isn’t as bad as everyone makes out. Some people now bagging the roster as our reason for playing poorly are the same people saying we’d make the top 8 in the preseason..

The players aren’t putting in, in a lot of games they are nearly walking up in defence and stick out an arm, look at the game and you will see it.

Do you think they would with Wayne Bennet or even Ivan Cleary? Doesn't seem like Madge is inspiring the best of then.

 

[TigerWest]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.


this is gibberish.

I agree. Cleary literally had half this roster not 3 years ago.

And sacking a coach without some idea of who the replacement will be is complete madness. You could end up with Brad Fittler, or me.

Not sacking a coach who is poorly performed does not appear to be good business. This is especially so when the reason given is fear of the quality of the replacement.

The answer does not have to be one coach. I'm an advocate for Morris being brought in under the tutelage of Sheens. The usual ageist remarks can be set aside. Sheens' is a smart operator and strategist. His style of football in 2005 is adaptable to today's game. We have him now and Morris is a protégé, as is Payten.

Sheens is not the answer, the game has gone past him, he hasn’t been involved here for over 10 years.
Your organisational chart, means Sheens will coach and Morris will be his lackey, will end in tears.

We are in a rebuild, players will come and go, till we get the right balance, changing coaches will do nothing but send us back to step one.

Can you give the rebuild bs a miss. Maguire has had three years and we are going backwards. It's time for him to go.

So you are happy with the team we have?

They have to be ?
It’s not the players it’s the coach ?

Anyone with eyes can see he’s doing a crap job.

But that’s the point, in a few games this year we have played extremely well, the last Souths game is a good example, the players know how to do it, they have done it, but they can’t do it consistently, and imo, that’s on them and they have acknowledged this.

So your defence of Madge is that the team has played well a few times out of 15 games? I would say that’s a damning indictment. It shows we can be competitive but he can’t get them going well enough to sustain it more than once a month.

Also shows that the roster isn’t as bad as everyone makes out. Some people now bagging the roster as our reason for playing poorly are the same people saying we’d make the top 8 in the preseason..

The players aren’t putting in, in a lot of games they are nearly walking up in defence and stick out an arm, look at the game and you will see it.

Do you think they would with Wayne Bennet or even Ivan Cleary? Doesn't seem like Madge is inspiring the best of then.

Can’t they do it for themselves?

 

[JayT]

It pains me all the time since Tim Sheens has been a waste, except the Ivan Cleary year was exciting I guess. Benefited nothing from the Sheens situation.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

I prefer blaming Peter V'landys for our woes.