Should we go with a new narrative?

[happy_tiger]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

it's the other way around mate, it's the players that drops the ball and miss tackles, not the coach

Disagree.

So it's the coach that drops the balls and misses the tackles?

The clubs role is to basically have the facilities to be able to let the players prepare.
The coaches role is to basically prepare the team to play.
The players role is to play.

I really can't see how some of you stop at the coach to blame, when the players are clearly not fulfilling there bit?

Your last sentence is the issue. He cannot get the players to perform.

It's up to the players to perform when they get on the field, the coach doesn't actually go on the field and hold there hand.

He's signed or re-signed nearly all the players. He cannot get them to perform. As a former prominent federal politician had as his election slogan "it's time".

Player attitude

That doesn't change the fact he cannot get them to perform.

You could threaten them with death and it wouldn't help ....

 

[hobbo1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

Because 3 out of 4 ain't bad ,baby , 3 out of 4 ain't bad

?

 

[happy_tiger]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

75% Madge, 25% players imo

?
How’d you come up with those figures ?

Because 3 out of 4 ain't bad ,baby , 3 out of 4 ain't bad

?

Meatloaf ....slight variation ...sung it better than he did though lol

 

[Krammy]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

 

[jirskyr]

Actions speak louder than words ....don't talk about doing it ...do it ...end of story .....screw the PR

In an ideal world, that would make sense...

But we live in a social media driven world and the PR dept 'has' to be able to spin something. I'd just rather hear stories about long term vision, rather than trotting out the massively overweight Leulia brothers telling us about how we will make the finals and they have changed their diets...or Tamou telling us how similar we are to Penrith...or Nofa saying he loves the club so much and our finals drought will end as soon as he can play more than one good game every six weeks, err, I mean Nofa telling us he should be in Origin...or Brooks saying it is 'his team now'...


The Tigers are worrying too much about socials and PR and community mindedness, just put all your focus into playing rugby league well. The brand will sort itself out.

You do realise, right, that the people doing socials and media aren't the same folks that coach the football side? As they say - why not both?

 

[jirskyr]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

 

[BAGNF05]

Actions speak louder than words ....don't talk about doing it ...do it ...end of story .....screw the PR

In an ideal world, that would make sense...

But we live in a social media driven world and the PR dept 'has' to be able to spin something. I'd just rather hear stories about long term vision, rather than trotting out the massively overweight Leulia brothers telling us about how we will make the finals and they have changed their diets...or Tamou telling us how similar we are to Penrith...or Nofa saying he loves the club so much and our finals drought will end as soon as he can play more than one good game every six weeks, err, I mean Nofa telling us he should be in Origin...or Brooks saying it is 'his team now'...


The Tigers are worrying too much about socials and PR and community mindedness, just put all your focus into playing rugby league well. The brand will sort itself out.

You do realise, right, that the people doing socials and media aren't the same folks that coach the football side? As they say - why not both?

Chuck the social media dudes salary in some brown paper bags and sign a few footy players ?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.

 

[the_third]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.

this is gibberish.

 

[Tigrrs]

Yes the new narrative should be Tackle Hard, Run Hard, Play Hard to WIN ! stop serving up custard!

 

[pawsandclaws1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.


this is gibberish.

Who cares what you think/

 

[the_third]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.


this is gibberish.

Who cares what you think/

you reply you care. gibberish

 

[Needaname]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

Our roster isn’t as bad as people make out. Pre season we were confident. We suck because he can’t coach. Flame me if you want but it’s the truth. Replace him now with Morris or Flanagan and you’d see immediate improvement imo. And yes I know Flanagan is the devil incarnate and I despise him but he can coach.

As a development club, it is a huge concern our team cannot seem to improve (as opposed to winning). It's an even greater concern Maguire is still in place at WTs after all the disaster.

I think he will see out his contract and maybe even get extended if he can get the right players into the squad?
Some will say, he has had the the time, but contract lengths make it hard to make change quickly.

I think he is no chance to see out his contract. **He is unable to get anyone playing well.** The sooner we cut him loose the better it will be for the club. Extending him after the poor job he’d done in the first 1.5 seasons was stupid.

I think he's more chance than no chance?

Take your blinkers off and you will find a few who have improved greatly.

Are you one who is in favour of signing Morris as coach?

I think he's no chance. As in 0%. I think he's 0% chance to see out next year.

Who has improved greatly? Who, out of our top 30, would you say has improved greatly under Madge?

Morris could out coach Madge in his sleep. He's a dud, not sure why you can't see that. It's like people want him to succeed so much that they don't realise he has no idea.

You are the one who said "He is unable to get anyone playing well.", I'll leave it to you to answer your own statement.

You're kidding with Morris, that's why he was shown the door mid season, but it doesn't seem to suit your story to realise it?

Anyway, I guess we will see what happens when it happens.

You can't name anyone because there isn't anyone. He's hopeless. The sooner you accept it the better off you'll be.

He absolutely got shown the door mid season but he was kicking our arse this year as he has the previous two years. Did he ever miss finals?

In 2019 I watched a sharks team minus Holmes in the first year of Morris coaching just make the 8 by beating us on the final round.

In 2018 Sharks finished 4th in NRL came runners up in the NSW cup and Won the Jersey Flegg.
Tigers on the other hand finished 9th in NRL, 5th in NSW Cup and last in the Jersey Flegg.

In 2019 Sharks finished 7th in NRL, that Jersey Flegg team went up a division to win the NSW Cup and their Flegg wasn’t far behind losing in the semis but wrapping up the minor Premiership.
That year we came 9th again in the NRL and 10th in both the NSW Cup and Jersey Flegg.

In 2020 we all know what happened to the comp but just prior to that we had a massive player turn over throughout all our teams.
I won’t go into all the recruits but most of our dead wood, age players were replaced with juniors and rookies.

Here we are in 2021 our NRL side isn’t fairing the best atm but our NSW Cup is coming top 4 and our Jersey Flegg remains undefeated.

For those that can’t see that Morris had charmed run the past couple of years as first grade coach and that Madge has been served duck eggs really, need to open their eyes and shut their mouths.

I’ll say it again. No other team was hampered as much as us in our development of our roster because of COVID 19.

 

[jirskyr]

Actions speak louder than words ....don't talk about doing it ...do it ...end of story .....screw the PR

In an ideal world, that would make sense...

But we live in a social media driven world and the PR dept 'has' to be able to spin something. I'd just rather hear stories about long term vision, rather than trotting out the massively overweight Leulia brothers telling us about how we will make the finals and they have changed their diets...or Tamou telling us how similar we are to Penrith...or Nofa saying he loves the club so much and our finals drought will end as soon as he can play more than one good game every six weeks, err, I mean Nofa telling us he should be in Origin...or Brooks saying it is 'his team now'...


The Tigers are worrying too much about socials and PR and community mindedness, just put all your focus into playing rugby league well. The brand will sort itself out.

You do realise, right, that the people doing socials and media aren't the same folks that coach the football side? As they say - why not both?

Chuck the social media dudes salary in some brown paper bags and sign a few footy players ?

They would be getting paid half of bugger-all I think.

 

[jirskyr]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.


this is gibberish.

I agree. Cleary literally had half this roster not 3 years ago.

And sacking a coach without some idea of who the replacement will be is complete madness. You could end up with Brad Fittler, or me.

 

[watersider]

It puzzled me pre season when the Chairman and a number of players came out with all the "Tigers are sick of not playing finals footy / 2021 is the year we break the drought" stuff...as the roster is simply not good enough to make the top 8. All that PR does is set you up for disappointment.

Next season, we likely will be close to the bottom again. We are currently third last and the two teams below us are adding representative level players...Broncs = Reynolds, Capewell, Stags back for a full season will be big for them...Dogs = JAC, Burton and maybe TPJ...

No doubt we regurgitate the same old lines in 2022..."Tigers out to break drought etc"...

**But would we be better with a different narrative?** I.e. "3 year plan"...Jake, Tuki, Blore, Seyfarth the building blocks...watch these kids develop and watch us make the top 4 by 2025.

That is what teams in the US tend to do...sell a long term, realistic, vision.

I know people are tired of losing, but there is nothing to suggest things will be changing soon. How many people here would be okay with a "three year plan: 2025 top four / Jake Tuki Blore Seyfarth Stefano' the building blocks type promo from the club?

Personally, I'd be okay with the realistic picture as long as the coach (whoever that is by 2022/ 3) gives the kids time and let's them learn in first grade.

I think planning and talk about end of year results or results in three years is bad. I like the idea of switching up the focus. It needs to be that they're focused on winning the tackle, winning the contact, competing physically in every set. Not what position they want to be in the end of the year, or where they want to be in three years. Focus on all stuff that the team can control. It's total empty junk talking about top 8, winning games, three year goals. Focus on what you can control, let results follow that. We need to hit hard and play dominant physical defense. That's what we should be talking about, that is what we can control.

 

[Krammy]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

I think Cleary, Hasler, Payten and Griffin would have done better with this roster too. My point is, I think a coach has the greatest effect on the fortunes of a team. I agree that there doesn't seem to be any real quality coaches available. There are many winnable matches coming up in the run home. Sheens is coming and I'm hoping he can be a great assist for Madge as far as tactics go. Credit where it's due, I hear the players saying they are a tight knit bunch. The coach has to take credit here. If the team goes on a run and we make the 8 - which is doable given the run home, I will crack the champers and make a toast to Madge. If we throw up performances like we have over the last 15 games, then his time, and that of a number of players, should be up.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.


this is gibberish.

I agree. Cleary literally had half this roster not 3 years ago.

And sacking a coach without some idea of who the replacement will be is complete madness. You could end up with Brad Fittler, or me.

Not sacking a coach who is poorly performed does not appear to be good business. This is especially so when the reason given is fear of the quality of the replacement.

The answer does not have to be one coach. I'm an advocate for Morris being brought in under the tutelage of Sheens. The usual ageist remarks can be set aside. Sheens' is a smart operator and strategist. His style of football in 2005 is adaptable to today's game. We have him now and Morris is a protégé, as is Payten.

 

[BalmainJnr]

We should stop awarding contracts to players that lack the intrinsic motivation to improve and win football games.

 

[Needaname]

He can’t coach

Hahaha, "He can’t coach", is that all you blokes have got? History tends to disagree with you.

A coach's tenure is determined by results, not history.

Once you realise what nearly everyone else knows, you will start to see the light.

Which is?

The guy can coach.
You choose not to look below him at the players, but that's your option.

Or, he had Inglis, Sam Burgess and Reynolds at Souths who were so good they made him better than he actually is?

You don't normally win comps with a team of Neville's.

Those players were still with Souths when they came 12th in 2016 and 2017.

I think (and happy to be corrected) there has only been one side (Roosters) who has gone back to back in the NRL, winning premierships.

To go from 1st to 12th with pretty much the same team in 2 years is not good

Didn't that happen to us after 2005?

Does that make it acceptable?

I’m not sold on Madge but you can’t blame him for all the shit the players dish up ?

Might sound completely hilarious, but I found Cooper Cronk's comments on the team interesting. He's said though we lack some polish, if we can get our attitude and discipline right we could be a Top 6 team... and because he assists (coaching) both the Roosters and Storm, I tend to believe him?

I can agree though that the effort and attitude are on the players and they're the only ones responsible for defining the type of players they wanna be known as. This year has been a test of character for the whole club, and some are showing their real flaws or weaknesses as professional rugby league players.

The players or the coach? That's been the ongoing argument, it seems, forever, on this forum. A question for me is would Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson get better results from this same squad of players if they had them for a year? Trying to be objective, hand on heart, I think the answer would probably be 'yes'.

A new question - would any other coach, aside from Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, get better results? Because we don't have those elite coaches and they aren't available.

The minute any of those 3 coaches become available, I am totally OK if Tigers cut Madge that exact same day and give one of those guys 2 million bucks.

Yes. Cleary would no doubt, Payten as well. Both are strategists, have very good communication skills and both develop juniors very well. But not changing a poorly performed coach for fear of an adequate replacement is not a good strategy especially for a development club.


this is gibberish.

I agree. Cleary literally had half this roster not 3 years ago.

And sacking a coach without some idea of who the replacement will be is complete madness. You could end up with Brad Fittler, or me.

Not sacking a coach who is poorly performed does not appear to be good business. This is especially so when the reason given is fear of the quality of the replacement.

The answer does not have to be one coach. I'm an advocate for Morris being brought in under the tutelage of Sheens. The usual ageist remarks can be set aside. Sheens' is a smart operator and strategist. His style of football in 2005 is adaptable to today's game. We have him now and Morris is a protégé, as is Payten.

You keep conveniently forget to acknowledge the quality of Juniors and the cohesion between them when talking up Morris as a coach at the sharks.
Comparatively to us whom after a whole year disrupted by COVID now has a junior team top of the table. Depth of talent does a huge thing for a roster.
Please deal with the facts.