Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tom Shines]

Vicious you need to take a bex and have a good laydown after this statement​

To’a would look like Reg Gasnier if he was part of that lightning fast Manly backline.

absolutely ridiculous…

I think Vicious is spending too much time reading the NSW Cup line ups, and not enough watching NRL games if that is a genuine comment considering Toa’s play here

 

[Vicious]

absolutely ridiculous…

I think Vicious is spending too much time reading the NSW Cup line ups, and not enough watching NRL games if that is a genuine comment considering Toa’s play here

I’ve been telling you for years Tom Shines the NSW Cup form is under rated.
Benji prefers to promote or keep the players who are out of form in any case.

 

[Tucker]

Agree. Benny changed the way hookers played. Overshadowed by his grating personality, but as a player he was a revelation.

However, I don't fully accept the rhetoric around Smith. Longevity, sure. Captaincy and ref control, absolutely. But take away goal kicking and his stats per game aren't that much to write home about. Farah consistently beat him stat-wise as did other hookers around that time. I personally think the hyperbole around his career is mainly due to his longevity and the fact he captained grand final-winning teams and origin dominance. Yes that should be considered but being in a team with Slater, Cronk, and the rest plus having Bellamy as your only club coach pads that out. Would he have been as successful at the Titans with a new coach every 2 years? No way in hell.

I'm gonna say it... Overrated. On a purely playing level, was not even the best hooker of his period. I think the Qld mindset that undercuts Benny's legacy is the same mindset that puffs up Smiths.

Universaly considered one of the greatest players ever is over rated lol I’ve heard it all now.

 

[Tom Shines]

I’ve been telling you for years Tom Shines the NSW Cup form is under rated.

It must be ..look at Talau 😂

he lived in NSW Cup last year

 

[Vicious]

It must be ..look at Talau 😂

he lived in NSW Cup last year

Jayden Sullivan will be the next one.
As soon as a smart club buys out his contract with us, puts a bit of belief in him and gives him a fair go, he will end up being like the second coming of Jonathan Thurston,

 

[Tom Shines]

Jayden Sullivan will be the next one.
As soon as a smart club buys out his contract with us, puts a bit of belief in him and gives him a fair go, he will end up being like the second coming of Jonathan Thurston,

You wanted to flush him 2 weeks ago .. I still think they are trying to

 

[Vicious]

You wanted to flush him 2 weeks ago .. I still think they are trying to

They are definately trying to get rid of him, we prefer players who cannot bust tackles, make line breaks, create line break assists or try assists.
Yeah I was on the get rid of him train about a month or so back, but the game against the Deagons where he created all our points showed me he has the class and x-factor to fulfill his potential at NRL level.
Most of our fans and Benji wanted to crucify him for getting sin binned. Have those same fans and Benji taken a moment to understand our halfback and smallest player in our team was not to blame for getting over powered and out muscled virtually all over the park ?
I love Sezer’s toughness , but Stevie Wonder has better vision than he does,

 

[Needaname]

I can’t recall… I mean use that as an excuse or not I guess…. I actually thought he was always pretty poor to be honest ..but 2023 he was exceptionally bad … he was dropped mid way through the season I recall…I don’t think he was back after

So he just magically became better at Manly?

 

[Needaname]

I would argue that Talau is not better than Olam or Doueihi at centre.

At best, he would be on par with To'a, who himself has been woefully inconsistent.

Talau is playing on the end of a slicker and better drilled football side than he was here and is reaping the benefits. He has in no way vastly improved or developed from his time here.

What he has done has capitalised on his opportunity at Manly and is playing some ok footy.

Good on him. I guess.

Defensively he is better than both. Prehaps not Olam though on par.

 

[Tom Shines]

They are definately trying to get rid of him, we prefer players who cannot bust tackles, make line breaks, create line break assists or try assists.
Yeah I was on the get rid of him train about a month or so back, but the game against the Deagons where he created all our points showed me he has the class and x-factor to fulfill his potential at NRL level.
Most of our fans and Benji wanted to crucify him for getting sin binned. Have those same fans and Benji taken a moment to understand our halfback and smallest player in our team was not to blame for getting over powered and out muscled virtually all over the park ?
I love Sezer’s toughness , but Stevie Wonder has better vision than he does,

I’m not getting too excited about anything he has shown so far …

I think he is superfluous to requirements in 2025 given JL, Latu and Galvin … but I’m not going to lose any sleep if they want to play Sullivan over Sezer this year

 

[Tom Shines]

So he just magically became better at Manly?

Maybe the coaching , pre season training program and the culture they have there may have had an impact ?

I don’t know the answer … I’m speculating … but he is a better player this season than he was here in his 5 seasons here…. Much better …

 

[Needaname]

Cam Smith is easily top

Cam Smith is easily top 5 most overrated players of all time

Pull the other one.

Universaly considered one of the greatest players ever is over rated lol I’ve heard it all now.

theres a reason why Farah ‘believing similar to the above post’ was never fit to tie Smiths laces.
Don’t believe me; watch the Australian forward pack play difference when both smith and Farah were hookers in the team a couple of years.

 

[Vicious]

I’m not getting too excited about anything he has shown so far …

I think he is superfluous to requirements in 2025 given JL, Latu and Galvin … but I’m not going to lose any sleep if they want to play Sullivan over Sezer this year

I’m a big fan of both Galvin and Latu Fainu, but they have yet to dominate and show the same attacking x-factor as what Sullivan has at this stage.
A 500k contract was obviously too much for Sullivan on what he’s proven in his NRL career so far, but that’s not his fault and paying Latu Fainu 500k per season was way too much for what he’s proven so far also.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

. I am gobsmacked with Talau … I laughed at my Manly supporting friends when they bought him … I didn’t think he was an NRL first grader … Im not laughing now ..

Tommy is getting schooled by Jess sergis isn’t he.
Enough of a reason for anyone to lift their game

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I’m a big fan of both Galvin and Latu Fainu, but they have yet to dominate and show the same attacking x-factor as what Sullivan has at this stage.
A 500k contract was obviously too much for Sullivan on what he’s proven in his NRL career so far, but that’s not his fault and paying Katu Fainu 500k per season was way too much for what he’s proven so far also.

Both Fainu and Galvin can defend. Fainu has had limited opportunities due to injury but I'd rather go with a highly talented youngster rather than Sullivan whose only consistency has been his inconsistency.

 

[Tom Shines]

I’m a big fan of both Galvin and Latu Fainu, but they have yet to dominate and show the same attacking x-factor as what Sullivan has at this stage.
A 500k contract was obviously too much for Sullivan on what he’s proven in his NRL career so far, but that’s not his fault and paying Katu Fainu 500k per season was way too much for what he’s proven so far also.

It may not be his fault … but you can’t keep them all… and he is my man to let go ..

He probably will go on to have a big career elsewhere though … because Tigers …

 

[Tucker]

Pull the other one.

theres a reason why Farah ‘believing similar to the above post’ was never fit to tie Smiths laces.
Don’t believe me; watch the Australian forward pack play difference when both smith and Farah were hookers in the team a couple of years.

Yeah it’s a silly narrative.
Hookers like Farah tried to score bragging points over Smith and whilst concentrating on that, he was engineering the loss of their side.

 

[Vicious]

Both Fainu and Galvin can defend. Fainu has had limited opportunities due to injury but I'd rather go with a highly talented youngster rather than Sullivan whose only consistency has been his inconsistency.

I agree the two youngsters have a more solid all round game, given their bigger frames and their defence generally being stronger, but I don’t believe either of them have the high end attacking x-factor in their game that Sullivan possesses.
None of the 3 have shown they have a kicking game near good enough as yet, but Galvin has shown glimpses of his getting better and I thought Sullivan showed a much improved kicking game in the first half against the Dragons also.
In any case none of them or Luai can save us if we don’t put a competent team around them.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Yeah thought as much when it was announced basically got sacked from the sharks with the eye to Fitzgibbon because the sharks could attack but were completely out of sorts in defence.
We need to hire a defensive minded coach as a specialist assistant.

Josh morris was one of the best edge defenders
If he’s available might be worth a shot seen as that is one of our weaker areas

 

[Tom Shines]

I agree the two youngsters have a more solid all round game, given their bigger frames and their defence generally being stronger, but I don’t believe either of them have the high end attacking x-factor in their game that Sullivan possesses.

Sullivan is 3-4 years older than them … it’s not a completely fair comparison … The other two have more improvement left in them you would imagine …Sullivan is also a weaker defender … he has been poor at times this year at NRL level