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Batmans Parents said:
Picking Seyfarth over Sione would be like picking a tent over a house.
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That’s why 1 guy is a starter on the edge and the other is a middle who plays limited minutes off the bench .
I understand you don’t value what Seyfarth offers , or maybe you just don’t see it . That’s fine as well. But I’m telling you right now , seyfarth walks into every single nrl teams top 17 right now , whether you value him or not . That’s not hyperbole either .
He’s a 1% guy. You can’t have a team full of David Fifita. And if you’re the titans or des , you don’t even want 1 .
I 💯 want KPP and Fifita . I’d love both , as I think Samuela could move into the middle , which is where he most wants to play by the way .
But Seyfarth is a starter for a reason . And it’s not because Benji has NFI!
With Toa and himself either side of Galvin , that edge has very limited issues , even with Galvins catching style that basically nearly always puts the defence on the back foot.
But like I said if you don’t value seyfarth , then you’ve got rocks in your head. Especially with Toa in form outside him . There’s absolutely something to be said for reliable , always in the frame , making cover tackles , getting back in defence when the opposition makes a break , always running your lines .
I’ll give you one example of what I’m saying . There was a play early in the first half when the dragons made. Half break down the left edge . Seyfarth was on the left edge middle third making the tackle . Basically 4 players across from where he was supposed to be , because Samuela , and the middles were still getting onside.
He then shifts to the right and ends the set inside Galvin covering a spread to the right side .
I don’t think he made either of those tackles , and you wouldn’t even notice if you haven’t played edge forward before . Because initially I was wondering why he was 4 players out of position , and then I realised he had moved progressively across there both through half breaks and the run of play .
Not everyone does that shit. They get back to thier assigned position and stay there. That’s just an example of the player I think Seyfarth is . That’s desire , heart , and willingness to make efforts upon efforts for your team .
That’s pretty much the exact opposite of mediocrity.
Did I articulate it well enough for you ? My apparent favourites I’m soo biased about …
 
Lestronge said:
That’s why 1 guy is a starter on the edge and the other is a middle who plays limited minutes off the bench .
I understand you don’t value what Seyfarth offers , or maybe you just don’t see it . That’s fine as well. But I’m telling you right now , seyfarth walks into every single nrl teams top 17 right now , whether you value him or not . That’s not hyperbole either .
He’s a 1% guy. You can’t have a team full of David Fifita. And if you’re the titans or des , you don’t even want 1 .
I 💯 want KPP and Fifita . I’d love both , as I think Samuela could move into the middle , which is where he most wants to play by the way .
But Seyfarth is a starter for a reason . And it’s not because Benji has NFI!
With Toa and himself either side of Galvin , that edge has very limited issues , even with Galvins catching style that basically nearly always puts the defence on the back foot.
But like I said if you don’t value seyfarth , then you’ve got rocks in your head. Especially with Toa in form outside him . There’s absolutely something to be said for reliable , always in the frame , making cover tackles , getting back in defence when the opposition makes a break , always running your lines .
I’ll give you one example of what I’m saying . There was a play early in the first half when the dragons made. Half break down the left edge . Seyfarth was on the left edge middle third making the tackle . Basically 4 players across from where he was supposed to be , because Samuela , and the middles were still getting onside.
He then shifts to the right and ends the set inside Galvin covering a spread to the right side .
I don’t think he made either of those tackles , and you wouldn’t even notice if you haven’t played edge forward before . Because initially I was wondering why he was 4 players out of position , and then I realised he had moved progressively across there both through half breaks and the run of play .
Not everyone does that shit. They get back to thier assigned position and stay there. That’s just an example of the player I think Seyfarth is . That’s desire , heart , and willingness to make efforts upon efforts for your team .
That’s pretty much the exact opposite of mediocrity.
Did I articulate it well enough for you ? My apparent favourites I’m soo biased about …
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And once again you can't argue the points I made and have to keep using logical fallacies (i.e. appeal to authority with Benji) which shows you no confidence in your argument. Seyfarth is a starter because there is literally no one else but untested juniors second rowers (like Sukkar) to potentially replace him. You think if we get KPP or Fifita that it's going to be Fainu that's shifted out of his spot instead of Seyfarth?? When Seyfarth was off contract, there was ONE team that was looking at him (Warriors) and trust me, it wasn't much of a look.

Yet again, you're using straw-mans claiming we can't have teams full of David Fifita which I never argued for or about. And Seyfarth reliable? The same guy who handed the Warriors the game with a soft but dumb penalty? The guy who dropped the ball on our final set last week to give the Dragons an opportunity in the final minute to tie the game? You seem to love individual examples so there's a few for you just in this season alone. Plenty more I can give you from previous season alone. I could also tell you how heavily he's featured in our three wooden spoons sides but he was just part of a larger problem rather than THE problem.

Here are some actual statistics for 2025 unlike your bullshit anecdotes. Have a read of that and try to spin your way out of them.
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I didn't even include average minutes played or penalties which would've made him look even worse which I didn't think was possible. So you can use all the individual examples you want because the stats and eye test overall say you have rocks in your head just like you did with Brooks when you tried to use "football anxiety" as an excuse for his shit play.

And no you didn't really articulate anything and since you want to be snide, it's mainly because having to read through the dreg that you post is like having to listen to my pop with dementia in the nursing home: incoherent rambling that has no relevance and no sense. So try again and try not resorting to using every logical fallacy under the sun. And try thinking of the team instead of your own bias (yes you're heavily biased) because as the stats and eye test show, you really don't have a clue about what's best for the team.
 
Lestronge said:
That’s why 1 guy is a starter on the edge and the other is a middle who plays limited minutes off the bench .
I understand you don’t value what Seyfarth offers , or maybe you just don’t see it . That’s fine as well. But I’m telling you right now , seyfarth walks into every single nrl teams top 17 right now , whether you value him or not . That’s not hyperbole either .
He’s a 1% guy. You can’t have a team full of David Fifita. And if you’re the titans or des , you don’t even want 1 .
I 💯 want KPP and Fifita . I’d love both , as I think Samuela could move into the middle , which is where he most wants to play by the way .
But Seyfarth is a starter for a reason . And it’s not because Benji has NFI!
With Toa and himself either side of Galvin , that edge has very limited issues , even with Galvins catching style that basically nearly always puts the defence on the back foot.
But like I said if you don’t value seyfarth , then you’ve got rocks in your head. Especially with Toa in form outside him . There’s absolutely something to be said for reliable , always in the frame , making cover tackles , getting back in defence when the opposition makes a break , always running your lines .
I’ll give you one example of what I’m saying . There was a play early in the first half when the dragons made. Half break down the left edge . Seyfarth was on the left edge middle third making the tackle . Basically 4 players across from where he was supposed to be , because Samuela , and the middles were still getting onside.
He then shifts to the right and ends the set inside Galvin covering a spread to the right side .
I don’t think he made either of those tackles , and you wouldn’t even notice if you haven’t played edge forward before . Because initially I was wondering why he was 4 players out of position , and then I realised he had moved progressively across there both through half breaks and the run of play .
Not everyone does that shit. They get back to thier assigned position and stay there. That’s just an example of the player I think Seyfarth is . That’s desire , heart , and willingness to make efforts upon efforts for your team .
That’s pretty much the exact opposite of mediocrity.
Did I articulate it well enough for you ? My apparent favourites I’m soo biased about …
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Love this post. I'm a big red fan, he seems like he just loves footy. But the thing that is most appealing is the wage he is on. And every team in the comp needs a player that does the 1 percenters in the NRL every week, works hard at training and takes on criticism to constantly improve while being on a lower teir contract.
2-3 years ago he was playing the wrong role in the team, he was playing that "give us 20 mins of aggression " role and I think he got carried away a fair bit. I think those performances have tainted some people's opinions of him. Where as this year he has been solid and reliable.
 
Batmans Parents said:
And once again you can't argue the points I made and have to keep using logical fallacies (i.e. appeal to authority with Benji) which shows you no confidence in your argument. Seyfarth is a starter because there is literally no one else but untested juniors second rowers (like Sukkar) to potentially replace him. You think if we get KPP or Fifita that it's going to be Fainu that's shifted out of his spot instead of Seyfarth?? When Seyfarth was off contract, there was ONE team that was looking at him (Warriors) and trust me, it wasn't much of a look.

Yet again, you're using straw-mans claiming we can't have teams full of David Fifita which I never argued for or about. And Seyfarth reliable? The same guy who handed the Warriors the game with a soft but dumb penalty? The guy who dropped the ball on our final set last week to give the Dragons an opportunity in the final minute to tie the game? You seem to love individual examples so there's a few for you just in this season alone. Plenty more I can give you from previous season alone. I could also tell you how heavily he's featured in our three wooden spoons sides but he was just part of a larger problem rather than THE problem.

Here are some actual statistics for 2025 unlike your bullshit anecdotes. Have a read of that and try to spin your way out of them.
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I didn't even include average minutes played or penalties which would've made him look even worse which I didn't think was possible. So you can use all the individual examples you want because the stats and eye test overall say you have rocks in your head just like you did with Brooks when you tried to use "football anxiety" as an excuse for his shit play.

And no you didn't really articulate anything and since you want to be snide, it's mainly because having to read through the dreg that you post is like having to listen to my pop with dementia in the nursing home: incoherent rambling that has no relevance and no sense. So try again and try not resorting to using every logical fallacy under the sun. And try thinking of the team instead of your own bias (yes you're heavily biased) because as the stats and eye test show, you really don't have a clue about what's best for the team.
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You’re literally arguing with yourself ! Take a step back and actually read what I said … put the gun down Janey … Jesus
I’ll back my strike rate with talent evaluation on this forum against just about anyone .
I’ll trust the opinion of a super coach expert when it comes to footy about as much as my missus .
The same stats that say one player is more amazing than the other is how Des Hasler gave Aidan Tolman 700k because his stats said he was the best forward in the game .
They’re useful for a million reasons , but the missed tackle stat for example , doesn’t include line breaks where you didn’t get a hand on them .
Like Hunt a couple of weeks ago didn’t get a miss tackle against his name when he let Mulitalo stroll through for his try .
Soo just relax with all the agro .
Since Seyfarth had come into grade he’s had 4 coaches . Every one of the 4 has had him in their plans .
 
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Batmans Parents said:
And once again you can't argue the points I made and have to keep using logical fallacies (i.e. appeal to authority with Benji) which shows you no confidence in your argument. Seyfarth is a starter because there is literally no one else but untested juniors second rowers (like Sukkar) to potentially replace him. You think if we get KPP or Fifita that it's going to be Fainu that's shifted out of his spot instead of Seyfarth?? When Seyfarth was off contract, there was ONE team that was looking at him (Warriors) and trust me, it wasn't much of a look.

Yet again, you're using straw-mans claiming we can't have teams full of David Fifita which I never argued for or about. And Seyfarth reliable? The same guy who handed the Warriors the game with a soft but dumb penalty? The guy who dropped the ball on our final set last week to give the Dragons an opportunity in the final minute to tie the game? You seem to love individual examples so there's a few for you just in this season alone. Plenty more I can give you from previous season alone. I could also tell you how heavily he's featured in our three wooden spoons sides but he was just part of a larger problem rather than THE problem.

Here are some actual statistics for 2025 unlike your bullshit anecdotes. Have a read of that and try to spin your way out of them.
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I didn't even include average minutes played or penalties which would've made him look even worse which I didn't think was possible. So you can use all the individual examples you want because the stats and eye test overall say you have rocks in your head just like you did with Brooks when you tried to use "football anxiety" as an excuse for his shit play.

And no you didn't really articulate anything and since you want to be snide, it's mainly because having to read through the dreg that you post is like having to listen to my pop with dementia in the nursing home: incoherent rambling that has no relevance and no sense. So try again and try not resorting to using every logical fallacy under the sun. And try thinking of the team instead of your own bias (yes you're heavily biased) because as the stats and eye test show, you really don't have a clue about what's best for the team.
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Where’s KPP on that list?
 
Lestronge said:
You’re literally arguing with yourself ! Take a step back and actually read what I said … put the gun down Janey … Jesus
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Mate you don't have a clue what you're arguing about, you're all over the place.

Your entire argument consisted of cherry picking anecdotals and pulling empty platitudes about "heart" out of your arse and saying "see how valuable he is to the team". I used actual evidence across the entire season that shows not only is he is not valuable but may in fact be the worst starting second rower in the comp. You can run away and deflect from that as much as you want, the numbers and the eye don't lie.

If you want to revel in Seyfarts mediocrity, that's your prerogative.
 
Camel2281 said:
He always had a wrap a a decent assistant. Worst head coach in history. Cannot man manage when you're a jerk of a human
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JT was somewhaf immature at the time, but people can change.

If he can help take a bunch of terrorist wannabes with a club history of alleged rape and toolie school visits and get them to undo the raiders at home, there might be more to him.

Put one of those electronic dog collars on him and the moment he starts talking about man management, he can recieve 1000 volts so his tongue sticks out and he cant talc proferlarly.

Word removed the bulldogs, buying their comp with that tedius slob Gus at the helm.

I heard the interview with Baz, they used and abused him

Hes waiting for Madge to get sacked. Gotta love Baz, a great mercenary of the game.
 
Lestronge said:
That’s why 1 guy is a starter on the edge and the other is a middle who plays limited minutes off the bench .
I understand you don’t value what Seyfarth offers , or maybe you just don’t see it . That’s fine as well. But I’m telling you right now , seyfarth walks into every single nrl teams top 17 right now , whether you value him or not . That’s not hyperbole either .
He’s a 1% guy. You can’t have a team full of David Fifita. And if you’re the titans or des , you don’t even want 1 .
I 💯 want KPP and Fifita . I’d love both , as I think Samuela could move into the middle , which is where he most wants to play by the way .
But Seyfarth is a starter for a reason . And it’s not because Benji has NFI!
With Toa and himself either side of Galvin , that edge has very limited issues , even with Galvins catching style that basically nearly always puts the defence on the back foot.
But like I said if you don’t value seyfarth , then you’ve got rocks in your head. Especially with Toa in form outside him . There’s absolutely something to be said for reliable , always in the frame , making cover tackles , getting back in defence when the opposition makes a break , always running your lines .
I’ll give you one example of what I’m saying . There was a play early in the first half when the dragons made. Half break down the left edge . Seyfarth was on the left edge middle third making the tackle . Basically 4 players across from where he was supposed to be , because Samuela , and the middles were still getting onside.
He then shifts to the right and ends the set inside Galvin covering a spread to the right side .
I don’t think he made either of those tackles , and you wouldn’t even notice if you haven’t played edge forward before . Because initially I was wondering why he was 4 players out of position , and then I realised he had moved progressively across there both through half breaks and the run of play .
Not everyone does that shit. They get back to thier assigned position and stay there. That’s just an example of the player I think Seyfarth is . That’s desire , heart , and willingness to make efforts upon efforts for your team .
That’s pretty much the exact opposite of mediocrity.
Did I articulate it well enough for you ? My apparent favourites I’m soo biased about …
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Your example describes a modern day lock which i believe Seyfarth quite easily fits that mould. Twal is a middle forward playing lock. I would be quite happy to have Seyfarth at lock and a more explosive runner out wide. Unfortunately we don't have that and the current setup is the best we have available at the moment.
 
JC99 said:
It's not about bang for bucks, it's about improving the team

I'm not sure why everyone thinks he'll be getting huge money anyway. Sure he got paid well his last deal but if no one is offering him the same, what choice does he have?
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It definitely is about bang for buck, just as much as improving the team, it’s a balance, and that includes depth and juniors, etc. and before I can make a call on who is better for our top 30, I need to know how many bucks $$$..
That’s just my take on roster management. 🤷‍♂️
 
Lestronge said:
That’s why 1 guy is a starter on the edge and the other is a middle who plays limited minutes off the bench .
I understand you don’t value what Seyfarth offers , or maybe you just don’t see it . That’s fine as well. But I’m telling you right now , seyfarth walks into every single nrl teams top 17 right now , whether you value him or not . That’s not hyperbole either .
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I’m watching the Panthers at the moment - I don’t see a spot for him in top their 17.
Garner shits all over him
- and yes, I know he’s been moved to the centres to sure it up defensively the last couple weeks.
 
Been yonks since i have posted. Lestronge hit the mark, willow was the reason i stopped posting. I'm thinking Coen Hess needs a change of space. Concord could be that space for a year or two. Reached the heights then dropped off. Could reinvent the monster. Has Tony Williams vibes but who knows
 
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