Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

batboy said:
You been living under a rock?
Yeah they were - spewing to lose Sam but happy to see the back of Latus contract.
and gauging how much footy he played in his last year with them (and the 2 years since) maybe they had something better to do with a few hundred thousand every year than poke it into rehab?

Luckily for them, they found the ever accomodating Tigers.

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And - they’ve still got one of the best halves in the country…
He even plays footy most weeks.
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I get the thinking on Latu given the horror run with injuries. Then I think back to Blores time with us and the amount of time he spent injured to then leave and pretty much play non stop. I’m hopeful that Latu follows a similar pattern but stays put and flourishes.
 
Tom Shines said:
I only provide receipts to my accountant
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Fair enough.

Given the RLPA's stance on not releasing contract values, we can never be certain.

But from all reports, the four year contracts were worth up to $2 million each. I've heard Latu's was even less than that.

They were all reported to be growing over the course of the contract for each of them too.

So our best bet, based upon the available information, is that the contracts add up to an average of 500k a season at most, with the first couple of years reported as being less than that figure.

At no point, anywhere, can I find any suggestion that either of them are on in excess of 500k/yr for these contracts, especially in the first two years.

Happy to be wrong if you have more information than what I can find but I don't believe it to be the case.

I think we have a hard enough time with the media inflating the value of supposed Tigers' players' contracts in order to criticise recruitment decisions without our own fans falling for unsubstantiated numbers.
 
Tom Shines said:
The younger Fainu’s are on $550k a year …that’s not cheap for young unproven guys .. it was a bit of a gamble …but Sam looks to have the goods ..,

I like Latu’s potential … but so far he can’t stay on the field …. The absolute best ability Is availability
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In the scheme of things, is 550k for a half that expensive? Probably a little overs when we first signed him, but now it's about the right money.

Sam went straight into grade. 550k is about right.

Sione is quite a bargain.

As it stands today, I think we have value on all 3 contracts.
 
Kelce68 said:
Fair enough.

Given the RLPA's stance on not releasing contract values, we can never be certain.

But from all reports, the four year contracts were worth up to $2 million each. I've heard Latu's was even less than that.

They were all reported to be growing over the course of the contract for each of them too.

So our best bet, based upon the available information, is that the contracts add up to an average of 500k a season at most, with the first couple of years reported as being less than that figure.

At no point, anywhere, can I find any suggestion that either of them are on in excess of 500k/yr for these contracts, especially in the first two years.

Happy to be wrong if you have more information than what I can find but I don't believe it to be the case.

I think we have a hard enough time with the media inflating the value of supposed Tigers' players' contracts in order to criticise recruitment decisions without our own fans falling for unsubstantiated numbers.
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I have seen and heard media reports of both $500k and $550k…they are both recorded on the zero tackle site at $500k per year if you want to use that as a reference …

I’ll say that my original point still stands even at $500k/ $2mil each
 
weststigers said:
In the scheme of things, is 550k for a half that expensive? Probably a little overs when we first signed him, but now it's about the right money.

Sam went straight into grade. 550k is about right.

Sione is quite a bargain.

As it stands today, I think we have value on all 3 contracts.
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It doesnt seem expensive now …even with his injury concerns ,,,,just saying it was a gamble at the time…

They paid Bud Sullivan around that too,,,. That looks overs ….dont you agree ? And Bud had played a bit of NRL before they signed him …

Sione was a pretty under rated/ minimum contract guy when they signed him … he has improved considerably over the past two years ,,
 
API appears to be a target for the Bears and don't think the NRL will be enforcing any anti tampering rules on them - they need a decent squad quick. Hate to see him go but may just be an opportunity for a player in his twilight years too good to refuse..
 
Telltails said:
API appears to be a target for the Bears and don't think the NRL will be enforcing any anti tampering rules on them - they need a decent squad quick. Hate to see him go but may just be an opportunity for a player in his twilight years too good to refuse..
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Again …let’s not jump the gun … evidence is sketchy at the moment …. And this is coming from someone hoping they re-sign TDS in 2027
 
Tom Shines said:
It doesnt seem expensive now …even with his injury concerns ,,,,just saying it was a gamble at the time…

They paid Bud Sullivan around that too,,,. That looks overs ….dont you agree ? And Bud had played a bit of NRL before the signed him …

Sione was a pretty under rated/ minimum contract guy when they signed him … he has improved considerably over the past two years ,,
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Oh yeah...Buds is overs even now. I agree with that. Probably overs by 200k when we signed him and only by about 100k or so now, but still overs. We need to get out of that contract.
 
Tom Shines said:
I have seen and heard media reports of both $500k and $550k…they are both recorded on the zero tackle site at $500k per year if you want to use that as a reference …

I’ll say that my original point still stands even at $500k/ $2mil each
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Don't use Zero Tackle. They're most definitely worse than simply canvassing the major outlets. Half the time they don't even list the squad members correctly.

It truly baffles me that anybody uses them as a source for anything.

Can you link me to where anyone has mentioned $550k? I'd be interested to see how they've worded their article.

Also, that's fine for your point to stand, I'm not directly refuting that, it has some validity and I understand that perspective.

Your original comment was more a reminder of something I'd wanted to mention in general discussion on here for quite some time, which is in regards to the parroting of numbers that aren't based in reality or on anything concrete.

It is hard to use specific numbers when it comes to discussion of players' value, primarily because we don't actually know accurately what they are.

For example, some people may bring up Seyfarth as an example of good value, then quote a contract of ~350k-odd, yet, someone else will argue he's a waste of money at ~550k.

Point is, the reliance on figures as part of any discussion or point is shaky in our sport, unless there is the rare occurrence of some legitimate knowledge of a player's contract value.

Even small differences of 50/100k can swing the discussion one way or another and as fans, we have no idea whether what we're spouting is correct or not.
 
Tom Shines said:
Again …let’s not jump the gun … evidence is sketchy at the moment …. And this is coming from someone hoping they re-sign TDS in 2027
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It just makes sense. Florimo mentioned his name weeks ago they are going to be interested in him and then it will be all up to API.
 
May
Api
Pole
Sam Fainu
KPP
13??

Luai
L Fainu

Turuva
To'a
3??
Skelton
Bula

Reserves
Mason/TDS
Hunt
Bird
Sione Fainu

Looks ok if we can bolster 13 and centre.
 
weststigers said:
Oh yeah...Buds is overs even now. I agree with that. Probably overs by 200k when we signed him and only by about 100k or so now, but still overs. We need to get out of that contract.
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Heath Mason might make Bud expendable …. They still need another half though I think ….so they need to replace Bud and pay incentive money to another club for him that totals around the same money they are paying Bud now .,

Kelce68 said:
Don't use Zero Tackle. They're most definitely worse than simply canvassing the major outlets. Half the time they don't even list the squad members correctly.

It truly baffles me that anybody uses them as a source for anything.

Can you link me to where anyone has mentioned $550k? I'd be interested to see how they've worded their article.

Also, that's fine for your point to stand, I'm not directly refuting that, it has some validity and I understand that perspective.

Your original comment was more a reminder of something I'd wanted to mention in general discussion on here for quite some time, which is in regards to the parroting of numbers that aren't based in reality or on anything concrete.

It is hard to use specific numbers when it comes to discussion of players' value, primarily because we don't actually know accurately what they are.

For example, some people may bring up Seyfarth as an example of good value, then quote a contract of ~350k-odd, yet, someone else will argue he's a waste of money at ~550k.

Point is, the reliance on figures as part of any discussion or point is shaky in our sport, unless there is the rare occurrence of some legitimate knowledge of a player's contract value.

Even small differences of 50/100k can swing the discussion one way or another and as fans, we have no idea whether what we're spouting is correct or not.
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This is why I tried to fob you off initially …my experience generally is that people ask for references and then dismiss it when you give them one …

Have you provided any sources yourself as yet to support your argument of lesser amounts ?

To be fair …because there is no transparency with player salaries , none of us know for sure and each side can produce figures that support their side given the sheer amount of media content … the only alternative is for everyone to not discuss the issue to begin with…but because of the importance of the salary cap, thats probably not happening
 
Tom Shines said:
Heath Mason might make Bud expendable …. They still need another half though I think ….so they need to replace Bud and pay incentive money to another club for him that totals around the same money they are paying Bud now .,
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Yeah if Mason is going to be the 14 or rotating with TDS, then you need someone developing underneath, although it's tough to develop 3 under 21's at the same time in the same position.

Perhaps some experience there. I just don't know who takes that job happily waiting for injuries to get game time if they are NRL capable.
 
Tom Shines said:
So why would we be interested in Fifita then ? Have you seen him of late ? Only possibility for me would be to take him for one year on the cheap if he signs with the Bears for 2027
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I watched David Fifita play near his best in a game earlier this season, then a week or two later he was dumped to Q-Cup.
I would agree he looks a bit overweight and not always demonstrating the effort required which is a concern, but he’s around 25 years of age so should be in and approaching the prime of his career and I would think it’s only a minor mental adjustment required to get him in the right mindset to be back tn his best within a short period of time.
I agree signing him is a risk, but every signing is a risk, particularly the ones on big money, but the reward could be extremely high if we signed him and got him back to playing even close to his best,
I like Samuela as a later and he’s shown promise on our left edge, but as Greg me tinned he has barely broken a tackle this season and o believe he will be more comfortable and more effective in the middle.
Our halves are a reamj g out for more impact on our edges and it should also create much more attacking opportunities for Jahream if we have tackle busting, line breaking threats on our edge.
A left and right edge combination of David Fifita and KPP is potentially the best in the NRL.
 
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