Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

The last few pages have pretty much done me in this forum. I literally know what he did. I literally saw what it did to a family. I watched how long it took an amazing young woman to put her life back together. I know about the amount of physical attacks. I know that above that there was the isolation from family and friends, the emotional disintegration of self confidence and belief. I know about then years of abuse. This 4 times bullshit is a joke he is a predator. He agreed to quit rugby league as it was his lawyers way of getting him further out of the spotlight and out of a jail term yet here he is.
I just pray that those that think he has done his time etc dont have female children.

Anyway on that note im done here
 
I'm just glad no one has thrown out that old chestnut ''what about our no d head policy''. The no d head policy that has never existed.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078362) said:
I'm just glad no one has thrown out that old chestnut ''what about our no d head policy''. The no d head policy that has never existed.

well that would explain why we gave chances to Cleary, Blair, Slimy and Snake....
 
For me the longer we don't make a decision on LM the less likely we will get him.. Even Ex players are basically saying not to come to us unless you want your career to go down the drain.. This really just shows we need to buy sign him ASAP to turn this perception around and help with recruitment.. WE don't get this kind of opportunity very often so the cub needs to pull it's finger out and make it happen.
 
@rustycage said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078285) said:
@weststigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078284) said:
@Spud_Murphy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078278) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078276) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078274) said:
@colinbh said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078272) said:
@TJ21 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078254) said:
@The_Patriot i wouldn't want him anywhere near the tigers with his past history mate. I am all for second chances but that's just something I can't cop. Good player though just too much baggage for me Patriot.


So you are not all for second chances if you don’t like it.

Sounds very liberal.

It’s not Tetevano’s 2nd chance. He was charged for bashing his girlfriend 4 times. How anyone could support this signing is beyond me.

There is a chance he may play for us, of course some people are willing to look past his disgusting behaviour!

Yeah that’s pretty bad eh? And yet somehow the guy is not in gaol and is free to play in the NRL, even at international level! I don’t get it at all.

I’m very conflicted - he is a good player and we really need a good prop, and I would welcome his signing, but when I think of what he has done and how he has gotten away with it scot free, it kinda makes me sick. Different to players like Packer, who have shown genuine remorse for their single dog act. This guy has offended 4 times! There is obviously no remorse for his actions there.

To the poster who earlier commented that it was all history, try telling that to his girlfriend, whom I’m sure lives with the trauma of what he has done to her, every single day.

He served 9 months for the offences and hasn't re-offended since.

Unfortunately, if the articles are to be believed, he grew up around domestic violence and probably didn't have the best role models around him.

This is not to excuse or minimise the behaviour, however, he's done his time and one can only hope he has learned from his past.

He did his time yes. But the NRL cannot be taken seriously until they are shown to be heavy hitting and consistant with blokes that do appalling things towards women. There's no excuse EVER to abuse women. Sadly, some dispute this. You do that, there should be certain privileges that are gone for good and playing football for mass amounts of cash is one. If you're a repeat offender then there should be absolutely no way back. No sympathy. No more chances. Get lost. You pretend to pee in your mouth or hump a dog you get more punishment apparently. Where's the logic there?

Well, you can't say he had zero punishment compared to Pearce or Monaghan. He served time in prison...no doubt did a number of anger management and domestic violence courses and was deemed to be rehabilitated.

I guess it's about where you stand on the spectrum. Are you willing to draw a line in the sand and let the man try and make a positive change from his past or would you prefer to define him on his past?

He was only 20 years old when this happened and given his circumstances and the punishment he's served, I am more willing to forgive a young misguided bloke so he can get his life back on track and moving in the right direction. I don't see what good it does to perpetually punish him by taking away his career? By your logic, no business should hire him if the time he served doesn't allow him a second chance at redemption. Are you ok if he works at a servo? as a chippy? in the mines? What is acceptable to you for him to earn a living?

You can't just have every ex-prisoner out on the street with nothing to aspire to because they'll just end up back in gaol.

If he offends again, then fine, he would have had his chance and he would have blown it (ala Ben Barba), but as of now, I support any kid who's done something wrong, learns from their mistake and tries to make positive strides forward.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078346) said:
@Tigerboy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078343) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078332) said:
@Demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078329) said:
@avocadoontoast I clearly stated multiple times hitting women is wrong.

Those comments can go both ways as a woman may think men can add fuel to the fire, etc.
I can only comment from my perspective, as a man.

I didn't mean to come and trigger you overly sensitive white knights crusading for feminist rights.

We're all on the same page regarding domestic violence i just don't like seeing the guy get thrown in the bin like he can't rehabilitate and become a better person and learn the right way to be as a human being.

I’m not campaigning for feminist rights, I’m just saying men shouldn’t hit women. And I’m not triggered, but you should be ashamed of yourself for what you said.

Ashamed is going a little far, don’t you think, avo.

So, no guy could ever be guilty of acting totally in self defence toward a psychotic girlfriend, no man was ever right when he began to accuse his missus of cheating and also ANY guy who may have earned a mozza working hard to have a career as pro Sportsman should then have to forfeit a large portion of their happiness / some of that sweet Aussie $ (yeah right) that may not at all be warranted for compensation - much like a gold digger where the action was deliberate and very much frowned upon in the moral ordering - because u feel that a man can never be PHYSICALLY demonstrative in an argument, because you think the end of a court trial in which he is not guilty justifies the means of a money grab or even a legitimate attempt to ruin his life? Even if someone who really scared you or did not get along with your family did a similarly terrible thing to one of your younger siblings... It’s not the same.

Because “that isn’t what my parents taught me”, well it isn’t 1960 anymore (you know it was still very much a thing even then, being able to engage in sexual intercourse just for having a marriage certificate, not always physical, etc.) and with media these days us lot tend to find out much more of the relevant info to pass judgement in such circumstances.

If that were you and your family up there trying to stand alongside Zane (as a brother) then can assure you ya wouldn’t be hopping on here juiced up off social injustice and advocating for the end of the man’s career. It’s not very empathetic and suggests you have little to no experience with the facts/police reports/judgement or jury biases when dealing with a situation like so. It’s definitely not ‘Black n White’ and what u r doing is more devils advocate in saying a man should be ashamed for being informed and valuing his own sane position on matters like this (Demps) than white-knighting, and standing up for the woman... unless you’re about to tell me you know the couple personally and have been involved in the two sides’ copious amounts of heated altercations, which neither seem to be learning anything from - another of Demp’s points.

As said it is definitely a double-edged sword... we men have been known to use our arms motioning various things throughout a night on the town or just generally over the course of history and perhaps even intimidate opposite sex by accident . Whether you know that person or not - NOBODY, and I mean nobody is defending a convicted, serial abuser and belittler of women - I guarantee they wouldn’t be seeking the end of your employment or to sully your name like some have.

I believe I am on your side of the fence regarding whether he signs or not, so you’ll hopefully take this with goodwill.

He pleaded guilty, was charged, suspended sentence. And no, there is no excuse for a man to hit a woman. With the exception of your last paragraph I pretty much disagree with everything you wrote.


Fair comment, can understand of course and thank you for allowing me to say that - I am merely referring to the whole issue of DV itself. Fact that you don’t believe AT all and will not be reasoned with on it being something that occurs on both sides of the fence is ludicrous but anyway, point is, should that be the be-all-and-end-all for his playing days? You think people like Zane and Packer have the worst demons you’ll ever see in life??

Lucky man... on that note Packer’s assault was far more vicious and a one-off that society as a whole really did not condone... the situation with Zane is clearly to work out his personal issues and lay off the drink/saviour or toxic type affairs in order to lead a law-abiding and more content life.

MCK’s signature was still wet on the page for an extension before pre-season this year and he gone belted a poor uber driver.... didn’t see anybody really saying the same thing during that instance (or against the Broncos) and although of course it was male-male violence it is in my eyes a much more disgusting act that what I’ve been reported to and heard about the case you speak so passionately of with Zane.

A dime a dozen and many blokes aren’t really ever the same or learn to go on living with some form of structure once you’ve been tarred with a DV brush... Finally, of course I never said it was okay under any circumstance to hit a lady
 
@OzLuke said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078365) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078362) said:
I'm just glad no one has thrown out that old chestnut ''what about our no d head policy''. The no d head policy that has never existed.

well that would explain why we gave chances to Cleary, Blair, Slimy and Snake....

Thank God for the no slimey fart policy.
 
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078368) said:
For me the longer we don't make a decision on LM the less likely we will get him.. Even Ex players are basically saying not to come to us unless you want your career to go down the drain.. This really just shows we need to buy sign him ASAP to turn this perception around and help with recruitment.. WE don't get this kind of opportunity very often so the cub needs to pull it's finger out and make it happen.

Which ex players have said that?
 
Interesting that reform for perpertraters of violence get a second chance yet Tim Simona can't for a gambling addiction, that the game itself profiteers from.
 
@hsvjones
Maybe so, but to be honest, we don't really know if an opportunity to sign Mitchell has ever really existed. All we are relying on is the dart throwing exhibition put on by the media and the smoke and mirrors show thrown up by player managers and various club managements. There would be multiple agendas operating at cross purposes. Who knows if Maguire really intends, or intended, to entice Mitchell to WT? It may only have been part of a ploy to minimise the contract price of his real target.
Bottom line be patient.
 
@weststigers are you joking he served ZERO prison time it was overturned because he did a 20 week course and left rugby league
 
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078376) said:
@GNR4LIFE Gallen just a few days ago...

I see. Because he doesn't have a motive does he. If we sign Mitchell, the Roosters gun for Xerri.
 
@hsvjones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078380) said:
@GNR4LIFE Of course he would but it doesn't help us with attracting players and not just LM.

Look at it objectively. Can you blame them if that's what they are saying? He's just won two premierships and could potentially be moving to a club who've not played finals in a decade. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to sign him, he'd be the shot in the arm this club needs on many levels. But when you look at it objectively, him considering us is absurd. Kind of like being married to Miranda Kerr and leaving her for Susan Boyle. The only person its going to benefit is Susan Boyle. Our club is Susan Boyle.
 
@hodgo said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1078360) said:
The last few pages have pretty much done me in this forum. I literally know what he did. I literally saw what it did to a family. I watched how long it took an amazing young woman to put her life back together. I know about the amount of physical attacks. I know that above that there was the isolation from family and friends, the emotional disintegration of self confidence and belief. I know about then years of abuse. This 4 times bullshit is a joke he is a predator. He agreed to quit rugby league as it was his lawyers way of getting him further out of the spotlight and out of a jail term yet here he is.
I just pray that those that think he has done his time etc dont have female children.

Anyway on that note im done here

Well said i dont want him anywhere near our club
 
@GNR4LIFE

Knights somehow manage to sign Ponga, Pearce and Klemmer in a period where I don’t think I’ve seen an NRL side be that terrible in a long time

But we finish 9th, a game away from the finals and we’re Susan Boyle.

I get what you’re saying tho, but at the same time for a man like Latrell whom has a young family - I think it’s fair to say the $ is his number 1 priority and can you blame him

I don’t think we’re that unattractive of a side for players to want to play for us - we always compete and our fan base is large and we’ve got a good coach with some good young players and are known for developing stars just need that one marquee man and Mitchell fits that bill

I think we’re just so use to not getting our man we’re staring to believe we’re a basket case
 
Ii was a very young man when I became aware that my immediate supervisor and also my best mate both had issues with alcohol and hitting their wives. I remember the one time each I brought them to their homes after drinking to have their wives beg me not to drop them off for fear of being belted. How do you deal with that in the military with the drinking culture at the time? I recall having to take them to .my own home and lock my bedroom because my young wife was scared of their aggressive manner. At that time, the consumption of alcohol was a measure of manhood and acceptance in the military. I feel great shame when I think back on my years of service. It is a highly uncomfortable topic of discussion when it arises. I hope the culture has changed.
 
How about we get back to the topic of the thread. I think we have covered the domestic violence thing from every angle and people rightly have some very strong views on the subject, but like plenty of other threads we end up going around in circles

Now has someone got some hot Goss on a signing or two
 
If there was any truth to there being a pending WTF signing, then I don't think this was LM, as the LM opportunity seemed to open up later.

So I think we might still be hearing of another big name signing soon. Maybe Frizell, maybe JWH.
 

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