Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jirskyr]

Matulino = 4 months.

Burgess = 4 weeks.

That'll do me.

You wonder why people are leaving the game.
It's a joke.

Well it's the offseason, easier to get things done when you aren't playing regular season matches.

 

[tigerballs]

Not including the Roosters as they have special exemptions, premiership clubs don't buy, they build. Melbourne never buy big names. The 2014 Bunnies built around Burgess brothers who originally came over on spec, Inglis was their only big buy and their junior backline averaged about 21 years old. The Cowboys didn't buy anyone in 2015 but brought Coen Hess etc through the grades, 2016 Sharks paid unders for has beens Ennis, Lewis, Maloney but the kids in Holmes, Bird, Feki killed it. Tigers don't need Mitchell, we have plenty of young potential to build with. I'm excited with what Madge is building.

 

[cktiger]

Not including the Roosters as they have special exemptions, premiership clubs don't buy, they build. Melbourne never buy big names. The 2014 Bunnies built around Burgess brothers who originally came over on spec, Inglis was their only big buy and their junior backline averaged about 21 years old. The Cowboys didn't buy anyone in 2015 but brought Coen Hess etc through the grades, 2016 Sharks paid unders for has beens Ennis, Lewis, Maloney but the kids in Holmes, Bird, Feki killed it. Tigers don't need Mitchell, we have plenty of young potential to build with. I'm excited with what Madge is building.

I think you’re right in most respects but the clubs you mentioned all had at least one big name in the team- we’ve got none (not counting Benji as it’s his last year and on the decline)

 

[happy_tiger]

Almost dirtied my reg grundies then , read the 1st page thinking it was the last and talk of Dugan

Not even funny

 

[tigerballs]

’m afraid it’s not something you can choose to disagree with because it’s not an opinion. We signed Josh Reynolds, Russell Packer and Ben Matulino before the 2018 season.

It is an opinion. I don't consider the three you mentioned to be particularly high profile players. Reynolds was discarded by the Dogs, Packer has a high profile for non playing reasons, and Matulino was past his best. The only thing high profile about them was what they were getting paid.

100% selective memory on your part. The Dogs' cap was knackered so they couldn't make Reynolds an offer (also, every single free agent who moves clubs presumably didn't get a better offer from the club they were previously at). Packer was coming off a massive season with the Dragons where he'd been talked up all year, also gettin recalled by NZ mid-way through the 2017 season and playing every game for them in that year's world cup. Matulino was lower profile but highly rated, and he was 28 - no reason to think he'd be past his best.

You're also refusing to engage with the main point I'm making: we didn't get turned down by other major free agents in 2017-18, which was - again - the only other time we've had money to spend in pre-season for the past decade. Look at the list: who were the players we pursued that wouldn't sign for us? We signed badly (as did basically everyone else who acquired high-profile free agents that year). That's not the same thing as players not wanting to sign for us.

re Packer, he had broken down mid season for Saints (after a very good first half of the season). Legend has it Mary and the Saints staff all got up and clapped when he announced his deal with us (as they were so happy he had made his fortune after being in jail). Saints offer was about 400...ours was 650 plus.

That off season, yes, we did get players to come...but we paid massive overs for Josh and Packer. Not just "overs", but massive.

And we added a fourth year to their deals...just to make sure. Josh Reynolds, with a history of hammys, four years.

It was absolutely irresponsible from Cleary and Pascoe (who sat, smiled and signed off on it all)

**I do not care if we finish last in 2020 as long as we never do that again.**

Yes, throw overs at the absolute elite if you can get a current origin player...

But never, ever, throw massive overs again at broken down players past their primes.

To be clear, I don't disagree with any of this. All I'm saying is that there's a difference between (a) the Tigers have signed badly when they have had resources available, and (b) good players won't sign for the Tigers. They could *both* be true, but what I'm saying is that while we know (a) is true we really don't have any evidence of (b).


Re B, I have been a supporter for 40 years and we have never been able to sign elite talent (other than Poms looking for a chance)

I know that is not empirical, but it does seem clear elite players do not want to join us.

When was the last time we signed a current Kangaroo?

Edit: adding to that, when was the last time we also signed a current Origin player?

Ellery, we don't need to sign players, we need to keep them. How would we be going if we still had Tedesco, Koroibete, Addo Carr, Woods (?) Moses, Nathan Brown etc.

 

[happy_tiger]

’m afraid it’s not something you can choose to disagree with because it’s not an opinion. We signed Josh Reynolds, Russell Packer and Ben Matulino before the 2018 season.

It is an opinion. I don't consider the three you mentioned to be particularly high profile players. Reynolds was discarded by the Dogs, Packer has a high profile for non playing reasons, and Matulino was past his best. The only thing high profile about them was what they were getting paid.

100% selective memory on your part. The Dogs' cap was knackered so they couldn't make Reynolds an offer (also, every single free agent who moves clubs presumably didn't get a better offer from the club they were previously at). Packer was coming off a massive season with the Dragons where he'd been talked up all year, also gettin recalled by NZ mid-way through the 2017 season and playing every game for them in that year's world cup. Matulino was lower profile but highly rated, and he was 28 - no reason to think he'd be past his best.

You're also refusing to engage with the main point I'm making: we didn't get turned down by other major free agents in 2017-18, which was - again - the only other time we've had money to spend in pre-season for the past decade. Look at the list: who were the players we pursued that wouldn't sign for us? We signed badly (as did basically everyone else who acquired high-profile free agents that year). That's not the same thing as players not wanting to sign for us.

re Packer, he had broken down mid season for Saints (after a very good first half of the season). Legend has it Mary and the Saints staff all got up and clapped when he announced his deal with us (as they were so happy he had made his fortune after being in jail). Saints offer was about 400...ours was 650 plus.

That off season, yes, we did get players to come...but we paid massive overs for Josh and Packer. Not just "overs", but massive.

And we added a fourth year to their deals...just to make sure. Josh Reynolds, with a history of hammys, four years.

It was absolutely irresponsible from Cleary and Pascoe (who sat, smiled and signed off on it all)

**I do not care if we finish last in 2020 as long as we never do that again.**

Yes, throw overs at the absolute elite if you can get a current origin player...

But never, ever, throw massive overs again at broken down players past their primes.

To be clear, I don't disagree with any of this. All I'm saying is that there's a difference between (a) the Tigers have signed badly when they have had resources available, and (b) good players won't sign for the Tigers. They could *both* be true, but what I'm saying is that while we know (a) is true we really don't have any evidence of (b).


Re B, I have been a supporter for 40 years and we have never been able to sign elite talent (other than Poms looking for a chance)

I know that is not empirical, but it does seem clear elite players do not want to join us.

When was the last time we signed a current Kangaroo?

Edit: adding to that, when was the last time we also signed a current Origin player?
Ellery, we don't need to sign players, we need to keep them. How would we be going if we still had Tedesco, Koroibete, Addo Carr, Woods (?) Moses, Nathan Brown etc.

Add Taupau ,Sironen , Fifita ,Gower , Tatola , Lodge ,Gavet , Ava , Suli and JMK ......

Probably need something bigger than a Sombrero and Nick Politis cloned twice

 

[bigsiro]

Interested in people’s thoughts,,, 3 year for 3 million,,,Latrell or David fafita from broncos,,,neither will happen in my opinion just interested see what people’s thoughts on who would suit our needs more

Latrell.

 

[Geo]

Almost dirtied my reg grundies then , read the 1st page thinking it was the last and talk of Dugan

Not even funny

Pampers...

 

[Spacecub]

Interested in people’s thoughts,,, 3 year for 3 million,,,Latrell or David fafita from broncos,,,neither will happen in my opinion just interested see what people’s thoughts on who would suit our needs more

I think we need to throw everything at latrell, I feel with luciano, Musgrove...and for all reports this kid we got from parra, could be our Fafita, just need the eels to release him....I think Garner and aloio will have a good year ..so apart from hooker our forwards are looking ok....offer latrell 4years 4mil.....don't think south's can match that.....they want Arrow

 

[happy_tiger]

Almost dirtied my reg grundies then , read the 1st page thinking it was the last and talk of Dugan

Not even funny

Pampers...

Those Cuddlz you sent up look great .... but I don't need them yet

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Arrow is a solidi forward. We have enough of those but LL is a genuine gamebreaker and the type of strike forward we require. Arrow is not worth the money being suggested.

I think his value to Souths is different than to us. I would say that Uncle Wayne sees a real void in reliable forwards for Souths . Murray is amazing at the quick play the ball , but is a little lite , and with the Burgess bros gone , that pack could go from a strength to a weakness, especially if teams figure out how to limit Murray.
We on the other hand , have for a long time had reliable , honest forwards . A few will get you 100m most games , but not much else.
To us he's just a very good front rower .
We needed , a wrecking ball or 2 . So the value for an unfit , leilua type , is much higher to us .
Because it's seen as a deficiency in our system.
I believe this is why Arrow was considered a luxury to our management

 

[Aceshigh]

How many spots do we have left in our top 30 if including Musgrave , Abbey and the young Parra prop if we get him for 2020?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

How many spots do we have left in our top 30 if including Musgrave , Abbey and the young Parra prop if we get him for 2020?

We have four spots left.

 

[BalmainJnr]

Arrow is a solidi forward. We have enough of those but LL is a genuine gamebreaker and the type of strike forward we require. Arrow is not worth the money being suggested.

I think his value to Souths is different than to us. I would say that Uncle Wayne sees a real void in reliable forwards for Souths . Murray is amazing at the quick play the ball , but is a little lite , and with the Burgess bros gone , that pack could go from a strength to a weakness, especially if teams figure out how to limit Murray.
We on the other hand , have for a long time had reliable , honest forwards . A few will get you 100m most games , but not much else.
To us he's just a very good front rower .
We needed , a wrecking ball or 2 . So the value for an unfit , leilua type , is much higher to us .
Because it's seen as a deficiency in our system.
I believe this is why Arrow was considered a luxury to our management

Agree on the Grubbitohs pack. To add to that, it’s hard to think that Cook will be as effective playing off the weakened pack they presently have. I can’t see them having the consistent punch and quick play the balls (with the exception of Murray) that he is accustomed to. As you say, Luciano provides our pack with a different dimension in attack compared to the honest toilers we have. Our pack would also greatly benefit from either one of our young blokes (Mikaele/Stefano) or a yet to be purchased prop that can play in the style of a JWH enforcer type.

 

[happy_tiger]

Arrow is a solidi forward. We have enough of those but LL is a genuine gamebreaker and the type of strike forward we require. Arrow is not worth the money being suggested.

I think his value to Souths is different than to us. I would say that Uncle Wayne sees a real void in reliable forwards for Souths . Murray is amazing at the quick play the ball , but is a little lite , and with the Burgess bros gone , that pack could go from a strength to a weakness, especially if teams figure out how to limit Murray.
We on the other hand , have for a long time had reliable , honest forwards . A few will get you 100m most games , but not much else.
To us he's just a very good front rower .
We needed , a wrecking ball or 2 . So the value for an unfit , leilua type , is much higher to us .
Because it's seen as a deficiency in our system.
I believe this is why Arrow was considered a luxury to our management

Agree on the Grubbitohs pack. To add to that, it’s hard to think that Cook will be as effective playing off the weakened pack they presently have. I can’t see them having the consistent punch and quick play the balls (with the exception of Murray) that he is accustomed to. As you say, Luciano provides our pack with a different dimension in attack compared to the honest toilers we have. Our pack would also greatly benefit from either one of our young blokes (Mikaele/Stefano) or a yet to be purchased prop that can play in the style of a JWH enforcer type.

I don't know why Arrow would trust Bennett

Bennett himself keeps who he wants to keep and lets go who he wants to let go

Bennett didn't rate Arrow at Brisbane high enough for him to keep him ....but now he does .....

What happens when David Fifita arrives .....oops sorry Jai .....WT's are interested

 

[BalmainJnr]

Arrow is a solidi forward. We have enough of those but LL is a genuine gamebreaker and the type of strike forward we require. Arrow is not worth the money being suggested.

I think his value to Souths is different than to us. I would say that Uncle Wayne sees a real void in reliable forwards for Souths . Murray is amazing at the quick play the ball , but is a little lite , and with the Burgess bros gone , that pack could go from a strength to a weakness, especially if teams figure out how to limit Murray.
We on the other hand , have for a long time had reliable , honest forwards . A few will get you 100m most games , but not much else.
To us he's just a very good front rower .
We needed , a wrecking ball or 2 . So the value for an unfit , leilua type , is much higher to us .
Because it's seen as a deficiency in our system.
I believe this is why Arrow was considered a luxury to our management

Agree on the Grubbitohs pack. To add to that, it’s hard to think that Cook will be as effective playing off the weakened pack they presently have. I can’t see them having the consistent punch and quick play the balls (with the exception of Murray) that he is accustomed to. As you say, Luciano provides our pack with a different dimension in attack compared to the honest toilers we have. Our pack would also greatly benefit from either one of our young blokes (Mikaele/Stefano) or a yet to be purchased prop that can play in the style of a JWH enforcer type.

I don't know why Arrow would trust Bennett

Bennett himself keeps who he wants to keep and lets go who he wants to let go

Bennett didn't rate Arrow at Brisbane high enough for him to keep him ....but know he does .....

Good point. Don’t know why any player of note would want to sign there really. Their squad has taken some hits and the coach is more likely to retire than rebuild the pack.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Almost dirtied my reg grundies then , read the 1st page thinking it was the last and talk of Dugan

Not even funny

Pampers...

Those Cuddlz you sent up look great .... but I don't need them yet

Must be that time in your life when you need to start buying Depend for men ?

 

[Don Kershane]

What odds Bennett gets the boot if Souths don't make top 4 ? Won't worry him -the master of the payout.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

What odds Bennett gets the boot if Souths don't make top 4 ? Won't worry him -the master of the payout.

He’s on a 2 year contract. There’d be no payout.

 

[Don Kershane]

What odds Bennett gets the boot if Souths don't make top 4 ? Won't worry him -the master of the payout.

He’s on a 2 year contract. There’d be no payout.

i think it was originally but extended to 3 to include 2019.