Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Aesopian]

I'm going to say it - I think Proctor is a very good footballer and I'm surprised so many people would be against his signing. He defends well, runs good lines, is tough, fairly injury resilient.

What does the average fan think Tigers lack currently? Speed and toughness / mental resilience. Proctor is tough as nails and I don't think his form has dropped off since he left Storm, he's just playing with a substantially poorer team.

I see Proctor as someone with the tenacity of Elijah Taylor, but with a 10 kg advantage.

Is Proctor David Fifita? No. Is he as good as any of our current backrowers? Almost certainly yes. Would he bring a different skillset to our current backrowers? Yes.

It's not the same as McQueen, who was long-term injured and on a long and slow run of dropped form. Proctor is still a guaranteed selection for the Kiwis. And you'd like to think from that association, Madge really knows who he is talking about, if this is going to happen.

A Madge-type player, tough, fit and good culture, to compliment the building of Madge's team... and half the fans say "nope". Kills me.

I agree but can we get Tohu Harris instead

No we can't

 

[Russell]

Regarding Proctor, the question is "is he better than Garner"? I'd say yes particularly defensively where we have massive problems on that right edge.

2 years at the right price would be okay. Not for silly dollars though.

A lot of people are scarred from McQueen. Proctor is a better play than McQueen and would hopefully (as long as Madge is smart) not cost as much

Reality is they're very different situations, one had a pretty serious neck injury and the other barely misses a game through injury. They just happened to be from the same club.

Both are at the backend of their careers. If Proctor has a wife or partner it will require relocation from the comparative luxury lifestyle and safety of the GC to Sydney. Lots for both parties to consider.

Where you from mate, you aren't aware of the luxury and safety available in Sydney? He might only be here 3 years anyway.

3 years - What a liability then.

One maybe if we are really really desperate.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

Speaking of signings, our PM, Scotty from marketing, has signed us up for a vaccine that doesn't exist! Outstanding.

Headlines read - snakes lining up to give oil in the national interest (for free)

Jesus man, can you keep the political crap in the political thread.

I'd prefer Proctor to the vaccine, but in all reality, I don't trust either

 

[Aesopian]

Regarding Proctor, the question is "is he better than Garner"? I'd say yes particularly defensively where we have massive problems on that right edge.

2 years at the right price would be okay. Not for silly dollars though.

A lot of people are scarred from McQueen. Proctor is a better play than McQueen and would hopefully (as long as Madge is smart) not cost as much

Reality is they're very different situations, one had a pretty serious neck injury and the other barely misses a game through injury. They just happened to be from the same club.

Both are at the backend of their careers. If Proctor has a wife or partner it will require relocation from the comparative luxury lifestyle and safety of the GC to Sydney. Lots for both parties to consider.

Where you from mate, you aren't aware of the luxury and safety available in Sydney? He might only be here 3 years anyway.

3 years - What a liability then.

One maybe if we are really really desperate.

Club needs to protect itself from these 30+ yr old players.

Black & White rule of only signing 1 year deals with an option in the clubs favor for a second yr if the player performs.

Majority of players wouldn't like it but that's fine with me. Let other clubs pay out retirement funds while we stockpile gun juniors

 

[The-moP]

I'm going to say it - I think Proctor is a very good footballer and I'm surprised so many people would be against his signing. He defends well, runs good lines, is tough, fairly injury resilient.

What does the average fan think Tigers lack currently? Speed and toughness / mental resilience. Proctor is tough as nails and I don't think his form has dropped off since he left Storm, he's just playing with a substantially poorer team.

I see Proctor as someone with the tenacity of Elijah Taylor, but with a 10 kg advantage.

Is Proctor David Fifita? No. Is he as good as any of our current backrowers? Almost certainly yes. Would he bring a different skillset to our current backrowers? Yes.

It's not the same as McQueen, who was long-term injured and on a long and slow run of dropped form. Proctor is still a guaranteed selection for the Kiwis. And you'd like to think from that association, Madge really knows who he is talking about, if this is going to happen.

A Madge-type player, tough, fit and good culture, to compliment the building of Madge's team... and half the fans say "nope". Kills me.

One big PLUS that Proctor will bring to our pack .. is leadership .. !! We have a very young pack next season in Aloiai (24) Musgrove (24) Liddle (23) Utoikamanu (20) Blore (20) McIntrye (22) Garner (24) Leilua (24) Mikaele (22) Twal (24) .. and so on .. but Proctor at 32 (?) will bring experience and leadership for these lads.

I'm a yes for him .. tough, strong, metal strength, and resilient, and certainly doesn't shy away from the tough stuff .. !!

 

[Curly_Tiger]

I'm going to say it - I think Proctor is a very good footballer and I'm surprised so many people would be against his signing. He defends well, runs good lines, is tough, fairly injury resilient.

What does the average fan think Tigers lack currently? Speed and toughness / mental resilience. Proctor is tough as nails and I don't think his form has dropped off since he left Storm, he's just playing with a substantially poorer team.

I see Proctor as someone with the tenacity of Elijah Taylor, but with a 10 kg advantage.

Is Proctor David Fifita? No. Is he as good as any of our current backrowers? Almost certainly yes. Would he bring a different skillset to our current backrowers? Yes.

It's not the same as McQueen, who was long-term injured and on a long and slow run of dropped form. Proctor is still a guaranteed selection for the Kiwis. And you'd like to think from that association, Madge really knows who he is talking about, if this is going to happen.

A Madge-type player, tough, fit and good culture, to compliment the building of Madge's team... and half the fans say "nope". Kills me.

I think many of us are concerned about his age, 32 before next season. i struggle to think of a lot of really good backrowers going into their 14th season
I also think the drug issue is relevant to leadership/culture claims, so it's a no from me on both counts, but I do respect your opinion

 

[the_third]

I would be surprised if we even got one big name signing let alone two or three. It seems like we have some money but not heaps, 2022 is the year we will have all the cap in the world to spend.

It's sad that 'there's always next year ' has now changed to ' give it two years'.

5 year plan anyone?

 

[Tcat]

Regarding Proctor, the question is "is he better than Garner"? I'd say yes particularly defensively where we have massive problems on that right edge.

2 years at the right price would be okay. Not for silly dollars though.

A lot of people are scarred from McQueen. Proctor is a better play than McQueen and would hopefully (as long as Madge is smart) not cost as much

Reality is they're very different situations, one had a pretty serious neck injury and the other barely misses a game through injury. They just happened to be from the same club.

Both are at the backend of their careers. If Proctor has a wife or partner it will require relocation from the comparative luxury lifestyle and safety of the GC to Sydney. Lots for both parties to consider.

Where you from mate, you aren't aware of the luxury and safety available in Sydney? He might only be here 3 years anyway.

3 years - What a liability then.

One maybe if we are really really desperate.

Club needs to protect itself from these 30+ yr old players.

Black & White rule of only signing 1 year deals with an option in the clubs favor for a second yr if the player performs.

Majority of players wouldn't like it but that's fine with me. Let other clubs pay out retirement funds while we stockpile gun juniors

I agree mate. We have to be smarter than we've been in the past and this seems a win win.

 

[weststigerman]

I've always thought you need experienced forwards and halves, but you want young outside backs.

If Proctor was a centre, I'd agree he's too old, but I think it's important to have old heads in your forward pack. Look at Broncos for an example.

I do remember people suggesting we sign JWH. He's slightly older than Proctor.

 

[Tiger5150]

I'm going to say it - I think Proctor is a very good footballer and I'm surprised so many people would be against his signing. He defends well, runs good lines, is tough, fairly injury resilient.

What does the average fan think Tigers lack currently? Speed and toughness / mental resilience. Proctor is tough as nails and I don't think his form has dropped off since he left Storm, he's just playing with a substantially poorer team.

I see Proctor as someone with the tenacity of Elijah Taylor, but with a 10 kg advantage.

Is Proctor David Fifita? No. Is he as good as any of our current backrowers? Almost certainly yes. Would he bring a different skillset to our current backrowers? Yes.

It's not the same as McQueen, who was long-term injured and on a long and slow run of dropped form. Proctor is still a guaranteed selection for the Kiwis. And you'd like to think from that association, Madge really knows who he is talking about, if this is going to happen.

A Madge-type player, tough, fit and good culture, to compliment the building of Madge's team... and half the fans say "nope". Kills me.

Im not excited about the possibility of signing Proctor. I agree he would be slightly better than our 2nd rowers (except LL) but Im over signing slight improvments. Im also totally over signing 32yo forwards.

 

[JC99]

I'm going to say it - I think Proctor is a very good footballer and I'm surprised so many people would be against his signing. He defends well, runs good lines, is tough, fairly injury resilient.

What does the average fan think Tigers lack currently? Speed and toughness / mental resilience. Proctor is tough as nails and I don't think his form has dropped off since he left Storm, he's just playing with a substantially poorer team.

I see Proctor as someone with the tenacity of Elijah Taylor, but with a 10 kg advantage.

Is Proctor David Fifita? No. Is he as good as any of our current backrowers? Almost certainly yes. Would he bring a different skillset to our current backrowers? Yes.

It's not the same as McQueen, who was long-term injured and on a long and slow run of dropped form. Proctor is still a guaranteed selection for the Kiwis. And you'd like to think from that association, Madge really knows who he is talking about, if this is going to happen.

A Madge-type player, tough, fit and good culture, to compliment the building of Madge's team... and half the fans say "nope". Kills me.


Im not excited about the possibility of signing Proctor. I agree he would be slightly better than our 2nd rowers (except LL) but Im over signing slight improvments. Im also totally over signing 32yo forwards.

Not every signing can be a major improvement, madhe has shown he’s rebuilding slowly and that means some signings are slight improvements. He’ll also help Garner, Blore and Luciano development wise you would think

 

[Strider]

Proctors been in good form when I've seen him. 2 year deal

 

[hsvjones]

I've always thought you need experienced forwards and halves, but you want young outside backs.

If Proctor was a centre, I'd agree he's too old, but I think it's important to have old heads in your forward pack. Look at Broncos for an example.

I do remember people suggesting we sign JWH. He's slightly older than Proctor.

Spot on.... You cannot play a team of ALL younger players for a full season as they will go off the rails etc.. They might give you 4, 6 or 8 games but not last the full length of the season. Every Team needs the experienced players to settle the ship but also develop the younger ones not just on the field but off it also. Proctor has a great playing history and every person that talks about him say the same thing. We would be crazy not to at least try and sign him for 2 years.

 

[gato]

I was against potentially signing Proctor at first but the more I think about it I am warming to the idea. Madge is trying to build a hard work ethic type of culture to the club and Proctor was in the storm system under bellamy for years.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

sign him for 2 years would be good

 

[hodgo]

I doubt welch leaves Melbourne he is a stand up bloke that will probably be a one club man

 

[gato]

sign him for 2 years would be good

I agree 3 years is too much but 2 years would work in our favor

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I'm going to say it - I think Proctor is a very good footballer and I'm surprised so many people would be against his signing. He defends well, runs good lines, is tough, fairly injury resilient.

What does the average fan think Tigers lack currently? Speed and toughness / mental resilience. Proctor is tough as nails and I don't think his form has dropped off since he left Storm, he's just playing with a substantially poorer team.

I see Proctor as someone with the tenacity of Elijah Taylor, but with a 10 kg advantage.

Is Proctor David Fifita? No. Is he as good as any of our current backrowers? Almost certainly yes. Would he bring a different skillset to our current backrowers? Yes.

It's not the same as McQueen, who was long-term injured and on a long and slow run of dropped form. Proctor is still a guaranteed selection for the Kiwis. And you'd like to think from that association, Madge really knows who he is talking about, if this is going to happen.

A Madge-type player, tough, fit and good culture, to compliment the building of Madge's team... and half the fans say "nope". Kills me.

His age does it for me, he’ll be 32 years old and won’t be getting any younger. I’ve got no issues with him as a player it’s just risky as hell signing a guy who will most likely be on his last pay cheque

If we sign him, it should be for no longer than 2 years 350k PA. He can use those 2 years to help mentor the young kids we’ve got coming through

Sometimes it’s ok signing players north of 30. Sign him for 2 years and he will be 32 and 33 those years. Hardly out of the ordinary to have player running around that age. If he was playing for us now, we’d probably be looking to re-sign him given what we have in the back row. I’m not sold on Garner, Blore has potential, but for all we know may not kick on. Rowdy is gone now, and most likely ET and Seyfarth will go as well. We need bodies, and there probably aren’t many better options. Him and Lucy would make a solid pair imo. A robust game breaker, counted with an old head with tons of experience. Bring him on I say.

He'll be 32 and older at our club, which is different to being that age at the Panthers, Eels, Roosters or Cronulla. Those teams have good tough packs while wer"re still developing. He'll have more pressure and responsibility as well as less depth. Listen to what Chris Lawrence spoke about last night about the ageing body and reason for retiring.

 

[jrtiger]

Proctor would be good for experience and professionalism but unless we find a pacy winger, dominant half and a forward leading front rower his attributes won't help us at all.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

Backrowers over 31
35
Gavin Cooper 11 games avge 40 mins
34
Adam Blair 14 games 45 mins
David Gower 3 games 18 mins
Isola Soliola 8 games 34 mins
33
Ben Teo 10 games 25 mins
Chris McQueen 1 game 13 mins
32
Mitch Aubusson 12 games 57 mins
Aidan Guerra 14 games 52 mins
Alex Glenn 5 games 65 mins
31
Joel Thompson 13 games 73 mins
Chris Lawrence 10 games 55 mins
Kevin Proctor 10 games 75 mins

You can see there aren't a lot and whilst KP at 75 mins per week is definitely good, he has missed 3 weeks with a ruptured bicep, also missed week 2 with a hammy. To me the nature of those two injuries look like signs of a body breaking down after 13 seasons of NRL

I just see a lot more risk than upside