Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[earl]

Moley has posted to 4 Wests Tigers groups on facebook sitting back with his box of popcorn

what to do with veteran favourite son Benj Marshall, who is off contract but has a deal on the table.

lol

If this is true Madge is definitely not the coach to get us out of this hole.
Benji has absolutely nothing to gain from not announcing his retirement, he could get a proper send off, he wants to play again no risk.

I know you can't stand Benji but re-signing him is fine from my perspective with the assumption he isn't being paid top dollars and as Madge has already shown he won't be picked if there is a better option.

I doubt very much any supporter of our club hates Benji he is one of the best players to wear our jumper and helped us get a premiership.Signing him at any price for next year is a very poor idea in my opinion as it takes up a very valuable cap position.
He has been playing badly this season and much of last and will only be slower and worse next year.We need to think of the future not hang on to the past

I hope he quits for his own sake. I haven't seen him defend so poorly. I just don't think the problem will be any lower paid players. Not many teams use up their entire roster throughout the season.

 

[TigerWest]

That's too funny - Packer McQueen and Reynolds "fuming". Just finished reading an article on JRey's new hobby developing 1Mil plus housing developments. He is enjoying it.


It sounds like total BS. What would McQueen have to be “fuming” about. He’s played 10 games in 3 years. That’s the tell in what utter garbage the story is.


It actually does not state McQueen is fuming his contract was up and was not going to be offered a new one, states several senior players are, assume Mybe would be one of those on a cushy deal $950k a season and is average at best, how many times last game did he continue to rush out of the line and leave gaps. Other Senior players could be Brooks and Marshall would prefer another year i hear but the coach is not entertaining the idea, part of the softly softly approach recently he knows that he does not have a squad to complete with the Big guns.
Mass clean out i hope

It looks like Madge has given up on this group, so is letting them cruise through. Some have also given up on him but the handful of good players we have clearly still care. Hopefully some young guys get a run now and the deadwood can leave the bubble.


Well i think some players should look at the Adam Doueihi effort last game shows he wants to play for the club.
Well i think we have a fair bit of deadwood will take more than 1 season to clean out more like 2022.

Maybe he was reacting to the news that we are looking at JAC to sign on as FB:grinning:

 

[851]

Moley has posted to 4 Wests Tigers groups on facebook sitting back with his box of popcorn

what to do with veteran favourite son Benj Marshall, who is off contract but has a deal on the table.

lol

If this is true Madge is definitely not the coach to get us out of this hole.
Benji has absolutely nothing to gain from not announcing his retirement, he could get a proper send off, he wants to play again no risk.

I know you can't stand Benji but re-signing him is fine from my perspective with the assumption he isn't being paid top dollars and as Madge has already shown he won't be picked if there is a better option.

Totally disagree, Benji is not only affecting our onfield chances this year, he is inadvertently hampering recruitment on a few levels. Firstly he would be deterring any young half coming here, they don't want to play second fiddle to Benji, two he is taking a valuable roster spot we need, and three it will be a PR disaster on and off the field.
If he plays he will be open to bevy of criticism for his inept displays, and if he doesn't play the media will be on the case for why not pick Benji.
And anyone who thinks Benji will be a backup is kidding themselves, he was bought as a backup for one year, 3 years later he is still our starting half who has never played reggies here. The risk reward ratio is so far against reward in this case, it is like us versing easts at full strength, a hiding to nothing.
And for the record I don't hate Benji, I don't fawn over him like some do on here, I respect his career, but that in reality ended in 2012, what we have today is an empty shell of a bygone era

 

[Cairnstigers]

Our dead wood has no one to blame but themselves
Getting paid big $ for their current output is a joke
McQueen
Packer
Reynolds
Marshall
Lawrence
Jennings
Mbye
They are the 1st that should go
Next year stage two of a clean out
In 3 years if we dont see a regular appearance in the finals I will be out
A human can only take so much
We need to give an opportunity to those players who want to succeed
I would go hell bent on for any young gun who wants a start
No more old Nuffies
Proven performers and the best young talent we can get only
If they dick us around with signing move on quickly
If we want 10 new players
Offer 20 contracts and the 1st 10 to sign get the gig
We cant put all our eggs in the one basket
A quick take it or leave it deal
48 hours to decide wether you are in or not
We want players who want to play football because they love playing the game
Not because they are chasing more $
We will have spots available
You want to play or sit on the sidelines watching

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Moley has posted to 4 Wests Tigers groups on facebook sitting back with his box of popcorn

what to do with veteran favourite son Benj Marshall, who is off contract but has a deal on the table.

lol

If this is true Madge is definitely not the coach to get us out of this hole.
Benji has absolutely nothing to gain from not announcing his retirement, he could get a proper send off, he wants to play again no risk.

I know you can't stand Benji but re-signing him is fine from my perspective with the assumption he isn't being paid top dollars and as Madge has already shown he won't be picked if there is a better option.

I doubt very much any supporter of our club hates Benji he is one of the best players to wear our jumper and helped us get a premiership.Signing him at any price for next year is a very poor idea in my opinion as it takes up a very valuable cap position.
He has been playing badly this season and much of last and will only be slower and worse next year.We need to think of the future not hang on to the past

As most fans we respect Marshall but its time.
The tackles he missed that 1st half were terrible and he jumps to tackle, arm clutches that means not putting ones body on the line. Can do it when younger but think as players get older they worry about the head knocks now.
Problem is if he stays it shows also the team is not progressing keeping him there, I watched him closely against the Roosters and tended to also ball hog and make many incorrect plays at the end of the sets. Father time catches up with us all, thanks for the years of service but after 9 seasons not playing finals the fams are just fed up keeping players past it.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

That's too funny - Packer McQueen and Reynolds "fuming". Just finished reading an article on JRey's new hobby developing 1Mil plus housing developments. He is enjoying it.


It sounds like total BS. What would McQueen have to be “fuming” about. He’s played 10 games in 3 years. That’s the tell in what utter garbage the story is.


It actually does not state McQueen is fuming his contract was up and was not going to be offered a new one, states several senior players are, assume Mybe would be one of those on a cushy deal $950k a season and is average at best, how many times last game did he continue to rush out of the line and leave gaps. Other Senior players could be Brooks and Marshall would prefer another year i hear but the coach is not entertaining the idea, part of the softly softly approach recently he knows that he does not have a squad to complete with the Big guns.
Mass clean out i hope

It looks like Madge has given up on this group, so is letting them cruise through. Some have also given up on him but the handful of good players we have clearly still care. Hopefully some young guys get a run now and the deadwood can leave the bubble.


Well i think some players should look at the Adam Doueihi effort last game shows he wants to play for the club.
Well i think we have a fair bit of deadwood will take more than 1 season to clean out more like 2022.

Maybe he was reacting to the news that we are looking at JAC to sign on as FB:grinning:

Well who knows although i still don't think he is a long term FB, always stated great under the high ball, found a few gaps last game made some meters.
Spare bringing JAC back to the Tigers he is not a fullback either just wants to be paid FB money.

 

[851]

Moley has posted to 4 Wests Tigers groups on facebook sitting back with his box of popcorn

what to do with veteran favourite son Benj Marshall, who is off contract but has a deal on the table.

lol

If this is true Madge is definitely not the coach to get us out of this hole.
Benji has absolutely nothing to gain from not announcing his retirement, he could get a proper send off, he wants to play again no risk.

I think he's trying to stroke his ego with 1 more season. Gunning for the most capped player no.1 spot.
1 more season would do it :joy: :joy: :grimacing: :grimacing:

**Most first grade matches for Wests Tigers**:

Robbie Farah - 277
Benji Marshall - 252
Chris Lawrence - 250
Chris Heighington - 201
John Skandalis - 185
Dene Halatau - 180
Keith Galloway - 173
Liam Fulton - 162
Bryce Gibbs - 155
Todd Payten - 151
Ben Galea - 150


That list is pretty impressive with players and most won the 2005 premiership, long term stable team does wonders with playing finals.
Hopefully Benji realizes that his best playing days are over but i can understand this fact he is on much less $ than most to help our cap and might think the Tigers are obligated to give hom another year.

Rowdy was also on peanuts, he left with dignity, and he is a one club legend, we owe Benji nothing

 

[izotope]

Certainly hope this is sensationalism from the journos, or are we watching different games.

Im all for the big cleanout, back madge.
We've backed the players for the last 8 years and got nowhere time to try something different.

 

[happy_tiger]

The fact people are arguing about Benji Marshall playing on shows what sort of a low level we are at as a club

The fact Benji is dragging this out is a complete waste of time as far as recruitment and retention dept time

Can smell people about to come out with "what about Cam Smith" doing the same

Well seeing benji has never been at Cam Smith's level as a footballer and currently is as far away as he has ever been from Cam Smith's level don't waste your time .....

 

[Fletch]

Time to marshal in a new era without a Marshall.

Benji’s defensive frailties are having too much of a negative impact on the team. He’s getting burned on the outside and is a turnstile on his inside. If he’s not missing the tackles himself then he’s causing pressure on the guys around him. His kicking, game management and ball playing are generally still pretty good, but the speed of the game at this level has past him by.

 

[851]

The fact people are arguing about Benji Marshall playing on shows what sort of a low level we are at as a club

The fact Benji is dragging this out is a complete waste of time as far as recruitment and retention dept time

Can smell people about to come out with "what about Cam Smith" doing the same

Well seeing benji has never been at Cam Smith's level as a footballer and currently is as far away as he has ever been from Cam Smith's level don't waste your time .....

If you believe the media, the storm have even told Cam it is time to go, that is what a well run club does

 

[earl]

Moley has posted to 4 Wests Tigers groups on facebook sitting back with his box of popcorn

what to do with veteran favourite son Benj Marshall, who is off contract but has a deal on the table.

lol

If this is true Madge is definitely not the coach to get us out of this hole.
Benji has absolutely nothing to gain from not announcing his retirement, he could get a proper send off, he wants to play again no risk.

I know you can't stand Benji but re-signing him is fine from my perspective with the assumption he isn't being paid top dollars and as Madge has already shown he won't be picked if there is a better option.

Totally disagree, Benji is not only affecting our onfield chances this year, he is inadvertently hampering recruitment on a few levels. Firstly he would be deterring any young half coming here, they don't want to play second fiddle to Benji, two he is taking a valuable roster spot we need, and three it will be a PR disaster on and off the field.
If he plays he will be open to bevy of criticism for his inept displays, and if he doesn't play the media will be on the case for why not pick Benji.
And anyone who thinks Benji will be a backup is kidding themselves, he was bought as a backup for one year, 3 years later he is still our starting half who has never played reggies here. The risk reward ratio is so far against reward in this case, it is like us versing easts at full strength, a hiding to nothing.
And for the record I don't hate Benji, I don't fawn over him like some do on here, I respect his career, but that in reality ended in 2012, what we have today is an empty shell of a bygone era

I mostly disagree with you. No one gets a free ride in first grade and I bet we can sign young halves.

We'd be a lot better this year if Benji could tackle or if we had better options in the halves but we don't.

 

[earl]

Time to marshal in a new era without a Marshall.

Benji’s defensive frailties are having too much of a negative impact on the team. He’s getting burned on the outside and is a turnstile on his inside. If he’s not missing the tackles himself then he’s causing pressure on the guys around him. His kicking, game management and ball playing are generally still pretty good, but the speed of the game at this level has past him by.

His kicking and passing and options have been erratic to say the least. He creates more than our other halves but that isn't as much a statement on how good Benji is but how poor Brooks and Reynolds have been. We definitely need better. His defense has been atrocious.

 

[happy_tiger]

The fact people are arguing about Benji Marshall playing on shows what sort of a low level we are at as a club

The fact Benji is dragging this out is a complete waste of time as far as recruitment and retention dept time

Can smell people about to come out with "what about Cam Smith" doing the same

Well seeing benji has never been at Cam Smith's level as a footballer and currently is as far away as he has ever been from Cam Smith's level don't waste your time .....

If you believe the media, the storm have even told Cam it is time to go, that is what a well run club does

I imagine that Cam and Bellyache have spoken quite openly about it

But profesional clubs can do that

Bet Aubusson and Roosters did the same

 

[hammertime]

Too often people aren't looking at VALUE but rather the player by themselves which is not how you manage a squad of 30. Do you think Benji has been worth $100k? I know I certainly think he has. Sure he has his flaws, but to me, that's damn good value. Better than brooks on 700k or Jrey on 800k? Yes.

Especially when you have a lot of bloated contracts on our books. We should be singing his praises as he's helped us through a difficult time.

What if he was happy to not play firsts and just became our backup next year? I still think he could provide value there. I'm not saying we do that, but it's an option we should be thinking about rather than dismissing.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Moley has posted to 4 Wests Tigers groups on facebook sitting back with his box of popcorn

what to do with veteran favourite son Benj Marshall, who is off contract but has a deal on the table.

lol

If this is true Madge is definitely not the coach to get us out of this hole.
Benji has absolutely nothing to gain from not announcing his retirement, he could get a proper send off, he wants to play again no risk.

I think he's trying to stroke his ego with 1 more season. Gunning for the most capped player no.1 spot.
1 more season would do it :joy: :joy: :grimacing: :grimacing:

**Most first grade matches for Wests Tigers**:

Robbie Farah - 277
Benji Marshall - 252
Chris Lawrence - 250
Chris Heighington - 201
John Skandalis - 185
Dene Halatau - 180
Keith Galloway - 173
Liam Fulton - 162
Bryce Gibbs - 155
Todd Payten - 151
Ben Galea - 150


That list is pretty impressive with players and most won the 2005 premiership, long term stable team does wonders with playing finals.
Hopefully Benji realizes that his best playing days are over but i can understand this fact he is on much less $ than most to help our cap and might think the Tigers are obligated to give hom another year.

Rowdy was also on peanuts, he left with dignity, and he is a one club legend, we owe Benji nothing

Good point - Entitlement is a funny thing however.....

 

[JC99]

Too often people aren't looking at VALUE but rather the player by themselves which is not how you manage a squad of 30. Do you think Benji has been worth $100k? I know I certainly think he has. Sure he has his flaws, but to me, that's damn good value. Better than brooks on 700k or Jrey on 800k? Yes.

Especially when you have a lot of bloated contracts on our books. We should be singing his praises as he's helped us through a difficult time.

What if he was happy to not play firsts and just became our backup next year? I still think he could provide value there. I'm not saying we do that, but it's an option we should be thinking about rather than dismissing.

Winning games is more important than value for money. Reynolds at $700k still gives us a better chance of winning than Benji at $100k.

When roster sizes can possibly be restricted next season we can’t afford a guy who isn’t first grade quality and isn’t going to get any better. For the same price you can get a 20 year old with potential.

 

[hammertime]

Too often people aren't looking at VALUE but rather the player by themselves which is not how you manage a squad of 30. Do you think Benji has been worth $100k? I know I certainly think he has. Sure he has his flaws, but to me, that's damn good value. Better than brooks on 700k or Jrey on 800k? Yes.

Especially when you have a lot of bloated contracts on our books. We should be singing his praises as he's helped us through a difficult time.

What if he was happy to not play firsts and just became our backup next year? I still think he could provide value there. I'm not saying we do that, but it's an option we should be thinking about rather than dismissing.

Winning games is more important than value for money. Reynolds at $700k still gives us a better chance of winning than Benji at $100k.

When roster sizes can possibly be restricted next season we can’t afford a guy who isn’t first grade quality and isn’t going to get any better. For the same price you can get a 20 year old with potential.

Madge doesn't see it that way, I don't either and potential can be overrated. You also won't get a young half with that much potential for that cheap. Blore and Stefano are on around 300k a year, they are forwards and both hadn't played first grade.

While I agree spots are limited but we need to identify the options and Benji may still be a better option than most. It has to be based on the squad as a whole.

If jrey and mbye get moved on, what halves depth do we have? We may have Walters in the 6 and madden only for depth.

If we can sign someone, sure. But we've got to factor that in. We don't want to scramble for signings and overpay... like we did when Moses & Teddy left.

 

[Sart0ri]

Too often people aren't looking at VALUE but rather the player by themselves which is not how you manage a squad of 30. Do you think Benji has been worth $100k? I know I certainly think he has. Sure he has his flaws, but to me, that's damn good value. Better than brooks on 700k or Jrey on 800k? Yes.

Especially when you have a lot of bloated contracts on our books. We should be singing his praises as he's helped us through a difficult time.

What if he was happy to not play firsts and just became our backup next year? I still think he could provide value there. I'm not saying we do that, but it's an option we should be thinking about rather than dismissing.

No to everything you have said. He is not good value, he will do some great things most games but they are usually risky plays. When they don't come off we lose momentum, even the pass last week to Doueihi for the try was very lucky not to be intercepted.

The points he creates with risky plays are not enough to cover frequent the losses of momentum from intercepts, kicking dead, running on the last with no plan and the terrible defence.

 

[hammertime]

Too often people aren't looking at VALUE but rather the player by themselves which is not how you manage a squad of 30. Do you think Benji has been worth $100k? I know I certainly think he has. Sure he has his flaws, but to me, that's damn good value. Better than brooks on 700k or Jrey on 800k? Yes.

Especially when you have a lot of bloated contracts on our books. We should be singing his praises as he's helped us through a difficult time.

What if he was happy to not play firsts and just became our backup next year? I still think he could provide value there. I'm not saying we do that, but it's an option we should be thinking about rather than dismissing.

No to everything you have said. He is not good value, he will do some great things most games but they are usually risky plays. When they don't come off we lose momentum, even the pass last week to Doueihi for the try was very lucky not to be intercepted.

The points he creates with risky plays are not enough to cover frequent the losses of momentum from intercepts, kicking dead, running on the last with no plan and the terrible defence.

100k is not good value? Ok, I'm done.