Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[tiger_one]

Raiders Sign Caleb Aekins.

Refer: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2020/10/15/raiders-sign-caleb-aekins?fbclid=IwAR2d0I_fS4B2t7W2vb1PD98tQ_dyq8bjKhasgLIrzZJHztujLczJwGfdRoY

 

[ElleryHanley]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

Public servants levels of pay are...teachers, police are...and it is the absolute norm for all comps featuring salary caps abroad...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Personally, I feel it should be published in a salary cap controlled sport.

Fans deserve the right to know what impact a player will have on their future expectations. For example, if Tamou is coming here for 350 a year it is a great deal. If he is coming for 550 a year, it is an entirely different debate. Fans, ultimately, fund sport and everywhere else that is acknowledged.

I'm a teacher, I know that my salary is publicly available. Difference is it is a set wage and not in a salary competitive environment. I am a fan of the NFL and published salaries makes negotiations harder for clubs as players use previous players contracts as a measuring stick.

Yes, but player agents will tell them anyway. It is also clearer for players as a club saying "we can't go to 500 for you as our cap is full" can be shown to be true / false by the player looking at the cap.

Personally, I wish the NRL would adopt the NBA's system where certain salaries are 'set'. I.e. five years / all NBA / All star = this amount. There should be tiers.

The bottom line for me, as a fan, is that the info dictates how I will feel about signings. Had I of known Mbye was on massive money his last two years, there is no way I'd have wanted him. That is one example. If I knew the Huth was on a pittance, I'd like him to have been upgraded. We deserve the right to know IMO as the cap basically dictates likely success or failure for years to come. Coaches can just leave like Cleary did...CEOs can just leave...but we, as fans, are 'stuck' with these deals for years.

 

[the_third]

Campbell Graham has openly admitted he’d love to play at Leichhardt. Here’s one I think could work for all parties.

JAC to Souths
CG to Tigers
Talau to Storm

I know I’d rather CG than Talau and I assume JAC wants to play at Souths. Storm seem keen on Talau

Seriously you take CG and miss JAC and lose TT - must be a Souths fan to want that one.

CG looks only ok surrounded by all stars, he would offer nothing here

Come on! Don’t be surprised if he is shaking hands with Brad Fittler in a week or two. Along with JAC. Talau might get there one day.

Hes bog average. Filter thought moses was a talent this year, so nothing would surprise me.

Even the Souths fans I know don’t rate him at all

 

[cochise]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

Public servants levels of pay are...teachers, police are...and it is the absolute norm for all comps featuring salary caps abroad...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Personally, I feel it should be published in a salary cap controlled sport.

Fans deserve the right to know what impact a player will have on their future expectations. For example, if Tamou is coming here for 350 a year it is a great deal. If he is coming for 550 a year, it is an entirely different debate. Fans, ultimately, fund sport and everywhere else that is acknowledged.

I'm a teacher, I know that my salary is publicly available. Difference is it is a set wage and not in a salary competitive environment. I am a fan of the NFL and published salaries makes negotiations harder for clubs as players use previous players contracts as a measuring stick.

Yes, but player agents will tell them anyway. It is also clearer for players as a club saying "we can't go to 500 for you as our cap is full" can be shown to be true / false by the player looking at the cap.

Personally, I wish the NRL would adopt the NBA's system where certain salaries are 'set'. I.e. five years / all NBA / All star = this amount. There should be tiers.

The bottom line for me, as a fan, is that the info dictates how I will feel about signings. Had I of known Mbye was on massive money his last two years, there is no way I'd have wanted him. That is one example. If I knew the Huth was on a pittance, I'd like him to have been upgraded. We deserve the right to know IMO as the cap basically dictates likely success or failure for years to come. Coaches can just leave like Cleary did...CEOs can just leave...but we, as fans, are 'stuck' with these deals for years.

I really hate the idea of payment tiers. I personally don't believe anyone has a "right" to know what a player earns.

 

[JC99]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

Public servants levels of pay are...teachers, police are...and it is the absolute norm for all comps featuring salary caps abroad...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Personally, I feel it should be published in a salary cap controlled sport.

Fans deserve the right to know what impact a player will have on their future expectations. For example, if Tamou is coming here for 350 a year it is a great deal. If he is coming for 550 a year, it is an entirely different debate. Fans, ultimately, fund sport and everywhere else that is acknowledged.

I'm a teacher, I know that my salary is publicly available. Difference is it is a set wage and not in a salary competitive environment. I am a fan of the NFL and published salaries makes negotiations harder for clubs as players use previous players contracts as a measuring stick.

Yes, but player agents will tell them anyway. It is also clearer for players as a club saying "we can't go to 500 for you as our cap is full" can be shown to be true / false by the player looking at the cap.

Personally, I wish the NRL would adopt the NBA's system where certain salaries are 'set'. I.e. five years / all NBA / All star = this amount. There should be tiers.

The bottom line for me, as a fan, is that the info dictates how I will feel about signings. Had I of known Mbye was on massive money his last two years, there is no way I'd have wanted him. That is one example. If I knew the Huth was on a pittance, I'd like him to have been upgraded. We deserve the right to know IMO as the cap basically dictates likely success or failure for years to come. Coaches can just leave like Cleary did...CEOs can just leave...but we, as fans, are 'stuck' with these deals for years.

I really hate the idea of payment tiers. I personally don't believe anyone has a "right" to know what a player earns.

NRL is one of the few sports that player salaries aren’t public. Players union fought for that and I can’t blame them, would cause a whole lot more negativity towards players that’s for sure.

 

[BAGNF05]

Campbell Graham has openly admitted he’d love to play at Leichhardt. Here’s one I think could work for all parties.

JAC to Souths
CG to Tigers
Talau to Storm

I know I’d rather CG than Talau and I assume JAC wants to play at Souths. Storm seem keen on Talau

Seriously you take CG and miss JAC and lose TT - must be a Souths fan to want that one.

CG looks only ok surrounded by all stars, he would offer nothing here

Come on! Don’t be surprised if he is shaking hands with Brad Fittler in a week or two. Along with JAC. Talau might get there one day.

Hes bog average. Filter thought moses was a talent this year, so nothing would surprise me.

Even the Souths fans I know don’t rate him at all

I think I’ll go with the bloke who’s coached two origin series in a row after picking players out of position, his judgment has been ok so far. IMO CG is in the mould of the best emerging outside backs - Lomax, Creighton, Tommy T, Doueihi etc

Talau is going ok but I think CG is an upgrade, guess time will tell

 

[JC99]

Campbell Graham has openly admitted he’d love to play at Leichhardt. Here’s one I think could work for all parties.

JAC to Souths
CG to Tigers
Talau to Storm

I know I’d rather CG than Talau and I assume JAC wants to play at Souths. Storm seem keen on Talau

Seriously you take CG and miss JAC and lose TT - must be a Souths fan to want that one.

CG looks only ok surrounded by all stars, he would offer nothing here

This forum has a bad habit of not thinking players in good teams are good players. Campbell Graham is a great player and only very young, can play centre or wing at a high level.

Would prefer JAC though!

 

[PJ_]

Campbell Graham = Blake Ashford 2.0 🤔

 

[BAGNF05]

Campbell Graham = Blake Ashford 2.0 🤔

CG 7cm taller and much quicker, Ayshford was an early days plodder haha

 

[the_third]

Campbell Graham has openly admitted he’d love to play at Leichhardt. Here’s one I think could work for all parties.

JAC to Souths
CG to Tigers
Talau to Storm

I know I’d rather CG than Talau and I assume JAC wants to play at Souths. Storm seem keen on Talau

Seriously you take CG and miss JAC and lose TT - must be a Souths fan to want that one.

CG looks only ok surrounded by all stars, he would offer nothing here

This forum has a bad habit of not thinking players in good teams are good players. Campbell Graham is a great player and only very young, can play centre or wing at a high level.

Would prefer JAC though!

Robert Jennings says hi.

It’s not just the forum.

The thing is players surrounded by superstars look better than they are. Take away the stars and they become bog average. Blair would be another example

We don’t have stars let alone superstars

Besides my original comment was saying no JAC, no Talau and we get graham.....that’s utter madness. He would want to be a superstar for that to be a good deal. It’s a long way from that. Make Melbourne better, Souths better and we stay the same.

If you the graham is even remotely good enough to get make that deal good, I severely underestimated your opinion

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Campbell Graham = Blake Ashford 2.0 🤔

Ayshford's game against the Warriors, when we came back in the 2nd half, is probably his best game for the WT. And also, one of the best games by any WT centre, he was simply unstoppable.

 

[851]

Campbell Graham = Blake Ashford 2.0 ?

Ayshford's game against the Warriors, when we came back in the 2nd half, is probably his best game for the WT. And also, one of the best games by any WT centre, he was simply unstoppable.

Aydhford wasn’t a bad player, he was actually pretty good, if he was a yard faster he would have been a rep centre

 

[JC99]

Campbell Graham has openly admitted he’d love to play at Leichhardt. Here’s one I think could work for all parties.

JAC to Souths
CG to Tigers
Talau to Storm

I know I’d rather CG than Talau and I assume JAC wants to play at Souths. Storm seem keen on Talau

Seriously you take CG and miss JAC and lose TT - must be a Souths fan to want that one.

CG looks only ok surrounded by all stars, he would offer nothing here

This forum has a bad habit of not thinking players in good teams are good players. Campbell Graham is a great player and only very young, can play centre or wing at a high level.

Would prefer JAC though!

Robert Jennings says hi.

It’s not just the forum.

The thing is players surrounded by superstars look better than they are. Take away the stars and they become bog average. Blair would be another example

We don’t have stars let alone superstars

Besides my original comment was saying no JAC, no Talau and we get graham.....that’s utter madness. He would want to be a superstar for that to be a good deal. It’s a long way from that. Make Melbourne better, Souths better and we stay the same.

If you the graham is even remotely good enough to get make that deal good, I severely underestimated your opinion

Not every player is Rob Jennings though, Campbell Graham can actually score good tries.

As for the deal I wouldn’t go for it as you said it strengthens too many other teams, would much rather just get JAC without all the drama

 

[tiga4eva]

Whats the point in blaming anyone everyday, week and year especially if they aren’t here or we can’t do anything about the current situation.

At the end of the day the players are contracted for another year or 2. Unless someone comes along and wants them it will stay that way.

The bigger issue is how do we turn around our image over the next 2yrs to become a destination club.

COE development no doubt will help, gun youngsters & results will change the perception but at the end of the day it will come down to cash & 3rd/4th party deals.

Panthers, Bulldogs, Eels, Roosters, Souths and even Manly can offer more money on/off the park than us.

We are one of the top supported club but struggling to recruit is a massive blight on our mgmt to have cashcows will to fund player deals.

Genuine question ....how do 3rd/4th party details work? Are they outside the salary cap? is there any limit to the amount that a coach/player can earn through these deals? How do we know how much each club offers in 3rd/4th party deals?

If the third party has any link to the club there is an overall club limit under the cap. If there is link between the third party and the club, it’s unlimited

I think you meant "if there is NO link .....it's unlimited"? That's a worry. Thanks for explaining.

Why is that a worry?

Because of accountability, equity and fairness. That's why it's a worry. You're ok with rich "external" benefactors being the determining factor in a player signing with a particular club?

What's the point of a salary cap if the ultimate composition of a team is determined by how much a player can receive in 3rd/4th party deals??

Because 3rd party deals are between the player and the 3rd party..Are you saying Musashi and Gatorade wouldn't provide Cameron Munster a deal to promote their products if he didn't play for the Storm..?

I'm saying that those deals need to be regulated and have a proportional limit of the total value of the player's contract that those deals attract.

I can't wait to see an NRL player promote Buxom Bella's Therapy Services of Leumeah as part of their 3rd/4th party deal!!!

They have to be registered with the NRL and approved..

And, is there some way that we, the punters, would know exactly how much a player is paid, both within the salary cap and from external sponsors?

Not just a total, but a breakdown of all sources of income that constitute their annual payments as a professional NRL player? Does that exist?

Is your wage published anywhere?

Public servants levels of pay are...teachers, police are...and it is the absolute norm for all comps featuring salary caps abroad...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Personally, I feel it should be published in a salary cap controlled sport.

Fans deserve the right to know what impact a player will have on their future expectations. For example, if Tamou is coming here for 350 a year it is a great deal. If he is coming for 550 a year, it is an entirely different debate. Fans, ultimately, fund sport and everywhere else that is acknowledged.

I'm a teacher, I know that my salary is publicly available. Difference is it is a set wage and not in a salary competitive environment. I am a fan of the NFL and published salaries makes negotiations harder for clubs as players use previous players contracts as a measuring stick.

Most CEOs salaries are published and they are in a competitive environment.

I think most in club land have a fair idea of what players are paid and what they are worth. Don't think publishing wages will make a difference.

Also its not like the $ figures big money deals aren't mentioned in the media already.

How much is Justin Pascoe on

If it’s KPI based, way too much

 

[JC99]

Campbell Graham = Blake Ashford 2.0 ?

Ayshford's game against the Warriors, when we came back in the 2nd half, is probably his best game for the WT. And also, one of the best games by any WT centre, he was simply unstoppable.

Ayshford had some good moments for us and scored some nice tries. Certainly not a top level player though ?

 

[frullens]

How much is Justin Pascoe on

Which Justin Pascoe?
This one's one $1.5m
https://www.investmentmagazine.com.au/2017/02/super-fund-pay-survey-2017-making-money-earning-scrutiny/

 

[Rowdy12]

Lol Campbell Graham

The Robert Jennings comparison is bang on, he’s a seriously ordinary player in a very good team. If he was with us we’d all be wanting him dumped

 

[cochise]

How much is Justin Pascoe on

Which Justin Pascoe?
This one's one $1.5m
https://www.investmentmagazine.com.au/2017/02/super-fund-pay-survey-2017-making-money-earning-scrutiny/

lol, my brother's name is on that list. Might have to hit him up for a loan.

 

[frullens]

How much is Justin Pascoe on

Which Justin Pascoe?
This one's one $1.5m
https://www.investmentmagazine.com.au/2017/02/super-fund-pay-survey-2017-making-money-earning-scrutiny/

lol, my brother's name is on that list. Might have to hit him up for a loan.

If he's on that list, he can afford to send a bit to everyone on the forum

 

[tig_prmz]

i wouldn't mind an anonymous top 25 that's published by each club. we don't know who's paid what but the media outlets will go into a frenzy trying to decipher who's who. that would be fun