Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[clontarfkid]

The other thing that bothers me with JAC is why we signed a totally unenforcable Heads of Agreement with him....a totally worthless piece of paper
If he was serious about coming across why not sign a contract effective the day he was available to the market with an option in our favor shld he become available earlier...identical to Ivan Cleary a couple of years ago,which signalled where his heart lay.
Knew that was the beginning of the end for JAC/WT

 

[Tim Sheens]

Didnt Melbourne deny him the release are people upset jac isn't carrying on like aloiai the pork chop.


Melb denied JAC....but bumped his pay up almost 200 grand a year. I.e. he got what he wanted.

Josh A wants more money also.

Melb and JAC are not some ideal example in this. He wanted out, and forced them to bump up his pay. He is not carrying on with it as he got the extra money.

Both are purely about $$$.


That is fair enough chasing the coin.
lesson for us don't pay over's anymore unless your a proven Marquee player or a loyal club player that wants to actually play for the WT and remain loyal.

I don't want to see us pay overs for any player, but I certainly want to see the club paying the market rate for viable players with loyalty. For mine, these players are the foundation of any club, with local juniors and to a slightly lesser extent, those brought over as youngsters, also the backbone of the club. With only McIntyre making top grade and now gone, we can only hope that the next batch in line perform and prosper together as a unit in the immediate seasons.

 

[hank37w]

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?

Sorry Lauren, you can call me immature if you like, but the whole family thing seems a bit $u$$.

 

[Masterton]

The other thing that bothers me with JAC is why we signed a totally unenforcable Heads of Agreement with him....a totally worthless piece of paper
If he was serious about coming across why not sign a contract effective the day he was available to the market with an option in our favor shld he become available earlier...identical to Ivan Cleary a couple of years ago,which signalled where his heart lay.
Knew that was the beginning of the end for JAC/WT

I imagine it was just to save us the embarrassment of another Latrell situation where he signed for another club for less.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Sorry FINNZO,but our backline leaked like a sieve,Mybe is like a roundabout,just go around him.

Mbye has a lot of faults but his defense was pretty good.

Yep it was just his hologram that let 4 tries in against Souffs.

***It was a one off. It proves the point that overall his defense was pretty good.*** It was a strong point of his game apart from the game against Souths.

Atm he is our best option at fullback next year and that is a concern. I like him as a bench utility player. He is gone though when his contract finishes.

Mbye at Centre was the best defender in the backline consistently. It was no coincidence that in that Souffs game he had a young debutant outside him.


I highly doubt that for the coin he is on the worst performing player in 2020 and also captain.

I have issues with this statement (not you) on a number of counts. Firstly you cant judge performance on the field relative to coin (of course you can judge value to the squad based on cap consumption). When they cross the white line, all are equal and can only be judged on how well they play. Mbye always puts in, I dont believe that can be questioned. Again I would suggest he is the best defender (other than that one game) than anyone in the back five (any back other than Brooks tbh). Who would you suggest is a better defender in the backs?

Secondly, if you want to judge worst performing "based on coin" it would be pretty hard to past Packer or Reynolds.

I recall with debutantes he left them no other options but to come up as he was chasing thin air.

Chicken and egg, was it because his winger was out of position he had too. I dont think its possible to know. That game was terrible for both of them.

***Fullback in reality or a bench player*** considering our centre depth now and no longer captain in 2021.

Im with you here. 1 or 14 for me.

He is one of the three players if Madge could off load he would Mybe/Reynolds/Packer....

Probably right based on cap weight. Im pretty sure he would be third on this list of who he ***wants*** to offload, but he is probably first on that list of players that may be ***possible*** to offload. No one is going to touch the others.

Noted entitled to your observations but i just don't rate him as a consistent player and buggered why he was captain, although talks the talk with the sponsors.

Observations from forum members in a number of games were that he really did not want to be playing.

I do understand has Knee issues latter half of season.
We as a team actually played better without him in last remaining games.

 

[TigerSJ]

OK, as we now stand we have 27 players with JA and LG still counted, DL not until 2022, and JO not yet a done deal.
So what’s next?? Assuming we want 29 players by March isn’t it?
One scenario is we get DL early and sign JO. In this case if we let JA go then we either get a quality trade from Manly or we open a spot for another quality forward, assuming that there is one available that wants to come to us.
IMO the 2 spots we need most are fullback and lock (or possibly second row).
If none of the above happens then we have to fill at least 2 spots- question is with who?
Perhaps a deal for Mansour at the right price for 2 years only conditional upon Penrith releasing DL to us for this coming season, would be a reasonable scenario. I am not a fan but he would provide reliable depth and the benefit to have DL at fullback now, is worth it.

 

[Lauren]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

As I said, I see the pair's negotiations in separate and totally different lights, though we likely share something on the extra attention this pair get for reasons outside of footy. I do hold one thing in against Josh, but it is years old when he was here as he lied to the club and supporters, having strung us along in useless negotiations despite having signed with the storm before his debut and long before all the Pascoe going on holiday crap arose. Having written that, now thinking there may well be a pattern there.

That's fair but it's still off the back of how it played out publicly which was my point.
I see a similar reaction to the LM situation though - you need only to look through the forum to see what I mean.
A lot forumers have given this type of opinion re: JAC (and LM) due to the outcome of negotiations, and this is why I specifically labelled it immature.
During the process we either supported it or not and the gist of comments were to show this. But now most comments have shifted to his intentions and motives.
Any information surrounding negotiations has only ever been directly received from media talk - followed by club statements addressing it.
So I feel many are basing assumptions on the players due to the process playing out in the media which tends to show the motives of the player managers more than the players IMO.
Unfortunately it still doesn't tell fans what the players feel about the club and I'm more commenting at the number of negative remarks aimed at JAC, when he(or other targeted players) hasn't openly spoken negatively about the club.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

As I said, I see the pair's negotiations in separate and totally different lights, though we likely share something on the extra attention this pair get for reasons outside of footy. I do hold one thing in against Josh, but it is years old when he was here as he lied to the club and supporters, having strung us along in useless negotiations despite having signed with the storm before his debut and long before all the Pascoe going on holiday crap arose. Having written that, now thinking there may well be a pattern there.

That's fair but it's still off the back of how it played out publicly which was my point.
I see a similar reaction to the LM situation though - you need only to look through the forum to see what I mean.
A lot forumers have given this type of opinion re: JAC (and LM) due to the outcome of negotiations, and this is why I specifically labelled it immature.
During the process we either supported it or not and the gist of comments were to show this.
Any information surrounding negotiations has only ever been directly received from media talk - followed by club statements addressing it.
So I feel many are basing assumptions on the players due to the process playing out in the media which tends to show the motives of the player managers more than the players IMO.
Unfortunately it still doesn't tell fans what the players feel about the club and I'm more commenting at the number of negative remarks aimed at JAC, when he(or other targeted players) hasn't openly spoken negatively about the club.

LM - Took less $ to play for Souths.
LM/JAC off season buddies with COVID issues and fire arm offenses do you think they did not chat about the WT?
JAC - Wants to come to Sydney isnt now and Storm upped his contract, did he have any intention of coming back doubt it.

I really don't care that they did not Sign and i would not waste my time going after JAC again and the club should make a statement to that effect when negotiations comer up again.

JAC approached WT but the club have declined any interest.

 

[JD Tiger]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

So he was paid enough so that his concerns about his family are no longer a concern? That statement doesn't sound right. Here's one that sounds better, he wanted more money and used the homesick excuse to get it. Sounds more likely, especially from an outside fan's point of view who doesn't know any of the personal particulars.

Who knows if he used us like Mitchell probably used us, and yes we'll never know the truth like in most facets of life, but whether he gets the benefit of the doubt is a personal choice people can make for themselves.

And this is just a general comment, when player managers act on behalf of a client (a NRL player), the actions of that player manager in my opinion reflects upon the player. If the player doesn't approve of the tactics employed, they should drop their representative. Of course agents know this so they have things in the contract to make it hard for players to leave them. I hoping there's some further regulation in this space soon, as the game really needs it.

 

[cochise]

Sorry FINNZO,but our backline leaked like a sieve,Mybe is like a roundabout,just go around him.

Mbye has a lot of faults but his defense was pretty good.

Yep it was just his hologram that let 4 tries in against Souffs.

***It was a one off. It proves the point that overall his defense was pretty good.*** It was a strong point of his game apart from the game against Souths.

Atm he is our best option at fullback next year and that is a concern. I like him as a bench utility player. He is gone though when his contract finishes.

Mbye at Centre was the best defender in the backline consistently. It was no coincidence that in that Souffs game he had a young debutant outside him.


I highly doubt that for the coin he is on the worst performing player in 2020 and also captain.

I have issues with this statement (not you) on a number of counts. Firstly you cant judge performance on the field relative to coin (of course you can judge value to the squad based on cap consumption). When they cross the white line, all are equal and can only be judged on how well they play. Mbye always puts in, I dont believe that can be questioned. Again I would suggest he is the best defender (other than that one game) than anyone in the back five (any back other than Brooks tbh). Who would you suggest is a better defender in the backs?

Secondly, if you want to judge worst performing "based on coin" it would be pretty hard to past Packer or Reynolds.

I recall with debutantes he left them no other options but to come up as he was chasing thin air.

Chicken and egg, was it because his winger was out of position he had too. I dont think its possible to know. That game was terrible for both of them.

***Fullback in reality or a bench player*** considering our centre depth now and no longer captain in 2021.

Im with you here. 1 or 14 for me.

He is one of the three players if Madge could off load he would Mybe/Reynolds/Packer....

Probably right based on cap weight. Im pretty sure he would be third on this list of who he ***wants*** to offload, but he is probably first on that list of players that may be ***possible*** to offload. No one is going to touch the others.


Noted entitled to your observations but i just don't rate him as a consistent player and buggered why he was captain, although talks the talk with the sponsors.

Observations from forum members in a number of games were that he really did not want to be playing.

I do understand has Knee issues latter half of season.
We as a team actually played better without him in last remaining games.

I've never thought he didn't put in.

 

[Aceshigh]

Is he another back , ppl are concerned about that already 😂

 

[Red88_Tiger]

With jtj being good buddies with Latrell wonder if he’s mates with the fox

 

[Lauren]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

So he was paid enough so that his concerns about his family are no longer a concern? That statement doesn't sound right. Here's one that sounds better, he wanted more money and used the homesick excuse to get it. Sounds more likely, especially from an outside fan's point of view who doesn't know any of the personal particulars.

Who knows if he used us like Mitchell probably used us, and yes we'll never know the truth like in most facets of life, but whether he gets the benefit of the doubt is a personal choice people can make for themselves.

And this is just a general comment, when player managers act on behalf of a client (a NRL player), the actions of that player manager in my opinion reflects upon the player. If the player doesn't approve of the tactics employed, they should drop their representative. Of course agents know this so they have things in the contract to make it hard for players to leave them. I hoping there's some further regulation in this space soon, as the game really needs it.

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

So he was paid enough so that his concerns about his family are no longer a concern? That statement doesn't sound right. Here's one that sounds better, he wanted more money and used the homesick excuse to get it. Sounds more likely, especially from an outside fan's point of view who doesn't know any of the personal particulars.

Who knows if he used us like Mitchell probably used us, and yes we'll never know the truth like in most facets of life, but whether he gets the benefit of the doubt is a personal choice people can make for themselves.

And this is just a general comment, when player managers act on behalf of a client (a NRL player), the actions of that player manager in my opinion reflects upon the player. If the player doesn't approve of the tactics employed, they should drop their representative. Of course agents know this so they have things in the contract to make it hard for players to leave them. I hoping there's some further regulation in this space soon, as the game really needs it.

I probably wrongly labelled people frustrated - due the outcome of the JAC negotiations - as like I said before I can't really speak on anyone else's behalf. But why are people so defensive when I've called speculative comments about JACs mental state or family issues, immature?

I'm in agreeance over the money motives(but not for him, think he's earned it) and that his manager is mostly behind how the negotiation proceedings went but his decision and the outcome still doesn't make any of the proposed reasons for his request for compassionate leave untrue. Plus no-one should question the validity of his personal concerns for his baby.

My other comments about us not landing other players either, prove the outcome of these two specific cases are the focus (of failed recruitment)for many fans. Can someone please direct me to the Tim Mannah thread please? The one full of guesswork and theories. He also used the club to get over to superleague but I'm yet to read any outrage directed at him.
Plus we wouldn't even be having this conversation had the outcome turned out different.
I just find it weird that people take what's in the media as gospel or if the outcome benefits us, the overall conjecture is completely different and I'm not entirely comfortable reading remarks including unnecessary questioning of the possibility of any family issues or concerns - that he's openly stated.

 

[JD Tiger]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

So he was paid enough so that his concerns about his family are no longer a concern? That statement doesn't sound right. Here's one that sounds better, he wanted more money and used the homesick excuse to get it. Sounds more likely, especially from an outside fan's point of view who doesn't know any of the personal particulars.

Who knows if he used us like Mitchell probably used us, and yes we'll never know the truth like in most facets of life, but whether he gets the benefit of the doubt is a personal choice people can make for themselves.

And this is just a general comment, when player managers act on behalf of a client (a NRL player), the actions of that player manager in my opinion reflects upon the player. If the player doesn't approve of the tactics employed, they should drop their representative. Of course agents know this so they have things in the contract to make it hard for players to leave them. I hoping there's some further regulation in this space soon, as the game really needs it.

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

So he was paid enough so that his concerns about his family are no longer a concern? That statement doesn't sound right. Here's one that sounds better, he wanted more money and used the homesick excuse to get it. Sounds more likely, especially from an outside fan's point of view who doesn't know any of the personal particulars.

Who knows if he used us like Mitchell probably used us, and yes we'll never know the truth like in most facets of life, but whether he gets the benefit of the doubt is a personal choice people can make for themselves.

And this is just a general comment, when player managers act on behalf of a client (a NRL player), the actions of that player manager in my opinion reflects upon the player. If the player doesn't approve of the tactics employed, they should drop their representative. Of course agents know this so they have things in the contract to make it hard for players to leave them. I hoping there's some further regulation in this space soon, as the game really needs it.

I probably wrongly labelled people frustrated - due the outcome of the JAC negotiations - as like I said before I can't really speak on anyone else's behalf. But why are people so defensive when I've called speculative comments about JACs mental state or family issues, immature?

I'm in agreeance over the money motives and think his manager is mostly behind how the negotiation proceedings went but his decision and the outcome still doesn't make any of the proposed reasons for his request for compassionate leave untrue. Plus no-one should question the validity of his personal concerns for his baby.

My other comments about us not landing other players either, prove the outcome of these two specific cases are the focus of many fans. Can someone please direct me to the Tim Mannah thread please? The one full of guesswork and theories. He also used the club to get over to superleague but I'm yet to read any outrage directed at him.
Plus we wouldn't even be having this conversation had the outcome turned out different.
I just find it weird that people take what's in the media as gospel or if the outcome benefits us, the overall conjecture is completely different and I'm not entirely comfortable reading remarks including unnecessary questioning of the possibility of any family issues or concerns - that he's openly stated.

I am not going to assume I know the focus of many fans, but I know my focus is the WT and hoping they will perform better and become a club to be reckoned with. I do think it likely that Mitchell strung us along and did us a dis-service, and I was annoyed at the time, but I certainly don't lose sleep over it. I don't really care about him now to be honest. He is a very good player, good on him. I suspect I will very soon feel the same way about JAC soon as well. He's not one of ours, so good luck to him but I'm not interested in him.

I certainly do not take the opinions and rubbish in the media as gospel, these journalists write stuff to encourage people to read their stuff, the truth doesn't seem to be a factor for the journos.

What I don't understand, is if it was all about spending time with family, then how could some extra money make everything okay? I know a lot of people have a price, where they make sacrifices, and I am no different there, but if that's the case be honest about it and not say it's for family or to play fullback or for whatever reason. It presents as someone disingenuine.

But I don't need to understand, my opinion is just based on what I've read, and I don't know any of these players personally so I don't know their private circumstances. And nor should I know. I don't want to know.

Hopefully they do something about the player managers, and players trying to leave clubs early for more money, then the comp will be more even and until they find another loophole to extort we can have a fairer comp.

 

[TigerWest]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

So he was paid enough so that his concerns about his family are no longer a concern? That statement doesn't sound right. Here's one that sounds better, he wanted more money and used the homesick excuse to get it. Sounds more likely, especially from an outside fan's point of view who doesn't know any of the personal particulars.

Who knows if he used us like Mitchell probably used us, and yes we'll never know the truth like in most facets of life, but whether he gets the benefit of the doubt is a personal choice people can make for themselves.

And this is just a general comment, when player managers act on behalf of a client (a NRL player), the actions of that player manager in my opinion reflects upon the player. If the player doesn't approve of the tactics employed, they should drop their representative. Of course agents know this so they have things in the contract to make it hard for players to leave them. I hoping there's some further regulation in this space soon, as the game really needs it.

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

So he was paid enough so that his concerns about his family are no longer a concern? That statement doesn't sound right. Here's one that sounds better, he wanted more money and used the homesick excuse to get it. Sounds more likely, especially from an outside fan's point of view who doesn't know any of the personal particulars.

Who knows if he used us like Mitchell probably used us, and yes we'll never know the truth like in most facets of life, but whether he gets the benefit of the doubt is a personal choice people can make for themselves.

And this is just a general comment, when player managers act on behalf of a client (a NRL player), the actions of that player manager in my opinion reflects upon the player. If the player doesn't approve of the tactics employed, they should drop their representative. Of course agents know this so they have things in the contract to make it hard for players to leave them. I hoping there's some further regulation in this space soon, as the game really needs it.

I probably wrongly labelled people frustrated - due the outcome of the JAC negotiations - as like I said before I can't really speak on anyone else's behalf. But why are people so defensive when I've called speculative comments about JACs mental state or family issues, immature?

I'm in agreeance over the money motives and think his manager is mostly behind how the negotiation proceedings went but his decision and the outcome still doesn't make any of the proposed reasons for his request for compassionate leave untrue. Plus no-one should question the validity of his personal concerns for his baby.

My other comments about us not landing other players either, prove the outcome of these two specific cases are the focus of many fans. Can someone please direct me to the Tim Mannah thread please? The one full of guesswork and theories. He also used the club to get over to superleague but I'm yet to read any outrage directed at him.
Plus we wouldn't even be having this conversation had the outcome turned out different.
I just find it weird that people take what's in the media as gospel or if the outcome benefits us, the overall conjecture is completely different and I'm not entirely comfortable reading remarks including unnecessary questioning of the possibility of any family issues or concerns - that he's openly stated.

I am not going to assume I know the focus of many fans, but I know my focus is the WT and hoping they will perform better and become a club to be reckoned with. I do think it likely that Mitchell strung us along and did us a dis-service, and I was annoyed at the time, but I certainly don't lose sleep over it. I don't really care about him now to be honest. He is a very good player, good on him. I suspect I will very soon feel the same way about JAC soon as well. He's not one of ours, so good luck to him but I'm not interested in him.

I certainly do not take the opinions and rubbish in the media as gospel, these journalists write stuff to encourage people to read their stuff, the truth doesn't seem to be a factor for the journos.

What I don't understand, is if it was all about spending time with family, then how could some extra money make everything okay? I know a lot of people have a price, where they make sacrifices, and I am no different there, but if that's the case be honest about it and not say it's for family or to play fullback or for whatever reason. It presents as someone disingenuine.

But I don't need to understand, my opinion is just based on what I've read, and I don't know any of these players personally so I don't know their private circumstances. And nor should I know. I don't want to know.

Hopefully they do something about the player managers, and players trying to leave clubs early for more money, then the comp will be more even and until they find another loophole to extort we can have a fairer comp.

Agree, it is an opinion forum after all
.

 

[Lauren]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

So he was paid enough so that his concerns about his family are no longer a concern? That statement doesn't sound right. Here's one that sounds better, he wanted more money and used the homesick excuse to get it. Sounds more likely, especially from an outside fan's point of view who doesn't know any of the personal particulars.

Who knows if he used us like Mitchell probably used us, and yes we'll never know the truth like in most facets of life, but whether he gets the benefit of the doubt is a personal choice people can make for themselves.

And this is just a general comment, when player managers act on behalf of a client (a NRL player), the actions of that player manager in my opinion reflects upon the player. If the player doesn't approve of the tactics employed, they should drop their representative. Of course agents know this so they have things in the contract to make it hard for players to leave them. I hoping there's some further regulation in this space soon, as the game really needs it.

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

So he was paid enough so that his concerns about his family are no longer a concern? That statement doesn't sound right. Here's one that sounds better, he wanted more money and used the homesick excuse to get it. Sounds more likely, especially from an outside fan's point of view who doesn't know any of the personal particulars.

Who knows if he used us like Mitchell probably used us, and yes we'll never know the truth like in most facets of life, but whether he gets the benefit of the doubt is a personal choice people can make for themselves.

And this is just a general comment, when player managers act on behalf of a client (a NRL player), the actions of that player manager in my opinion reflects upon the player. If the player doesn't approve of the tactics employed, they should drop their representative. Of course agents know this so they have things in the contract to make it hard for players to leave them. I hoping there's some further regulation in this space soon, as the game really needs it.

I probably wrongly labelled people frustrated - due the outcome of the JAC negotiations - as like I said before I can't really speak on anyone else's behalf. But why are people so defensive when I've called speculative comments about JACs mental state or family issues, immature?

I'm in agreeance over the money motives and think his manager is mostly behind how the negotiation proceedings went but his decision and the outcome still doesn't make any of the proposed reasons for his request for compassionate leave untrue. Plus no-one should question the validity of his personal concerns for his baby.

My other comments about us not landing other players either, prove the outcome of these two specific cases are the focus of many fans. Can someone please direct me to the Tim Mannah thread please? The one full of guesswork and theories. He also used the club to get over to superleague but I'm yet to read any outrage directed at him.
Plus we wouldn't even be having this conversation had the outcome turned out different.
I just find it weird that people take what's in the media as gospel or if the outcome benefits us, the overall conjecture is completely different and I'm not entirely comfortable reading remarks including unnecessary questioning of the possibility of any family issues or concerns - that he's openly stated.

I am not going to assume I know the focus of many fans, but I know my focus is the WT and hoping they will perform better and become a club to be reckoned with. I do think it likely that Mitchell strung us along and did us a dis-service, and I was annoyed at the time, but I certainly don't lose sleep over it. I don't really care about him now to be honest. He is a very good player, good on him. I suspect I will very soon feel the same way about JAC soon as well. He's not one of ours, so good luck to him but I'm not interested in him.

I certainly do not take the opinions and rubbish in the media as gospel, these journalists write stuff to encourage people to read their stuff, the truth doesn't seem to be a factor for the journos.

What I don't understand, is if it was all about spending time with family, then how could some extra money make everything okay? I know a lot of people have a price, where they make sacrifices, and I am no different there, but if that's the case be honest about it and not say it's for family or to play fullback or for whatever reason. It presents as someone disingenuine.

**But I don't need to understand, my opinion is just based on what I've read, and I don't know any of these players personally** so I don't know their private circumstances. And nor should I know. I don't want to know.

Hopefully they do something about the player managers, and players trying to leave clubs early for more money, then the comp will be more even and until they find another loophole to extort we can have a fairer comp.

This is what I was actually pointing out.
I see all potential recruits in the same light but the media clearly don't ...and I'm not saying this about you, but therefore I don't blame them for how the media chooses to portray them and I certainly don't apply any of this information in forming an opinion on them.
My meaning on focus was the actual reaction from it all, it's in my original comment. So sorry for any confusion.

 

[earl]

Sorry FINNZO,but our backline leaked like a sieve,Mybe is like a roundabout,just go around him.

Mbye has a lot of faults but his defense was pretty good.

Yep it was just his hologram that let 4 tries in against Souffs.

***It was a one off. It proves the point that overall his defense was pretty good.*** It was a strong point of his game apart from the game against Souths.

Atm he is our best option at fullback next year and that is a concern. I like him as a bench utility player. He is gone though when his contract finishes.

Mbye at Centre was the best defender in the backline consistently. It was no coincidence that in that Souffs game he had a young debutant outside him.


I highly doubt that for the coin he is on the worst performing player in 2020 and also captain.
I recall with debutantes he left them no other options but to come up as he was chasing thin air.
Fullback in reality or a bench player considering our centre depth now and no longer captain in 2021.
He is one of the three players if Madge could off load he would Mybe/Reynolds/Packer....

Both points are true. He was our best defensive player in the backline. He is also on an overinflated contract and he will have to be let go. If we could get rid of him we would.

 

[happy_tiger]

Getting some money ball vibes off our recruitment at the moment

These guys might not work out but they’ve got a point to prove and at their best can be damaging players to play against. Madge and hartigan have once again managed to find some decent signing options when it looked like there wasn’t any

Fingers crossed we do okay next year and can entice some big names to join us

If they don't work out they are failures ...whether you paid 150 k or 750 k for them

They’re still failures but for $150k you’re not too upset by it. I think Joe O is a riskier signing he was pretty average this year and is on good money. It’ll hurt us if Madge can’t get him to perform

Ahh the old “if Madge can get him to perform”.

If this forum is be believed, his wife has been sick, which would mess any player up. Isaako had a similarly tough year losing his father.

His wife clearly had cancer dude . There’s plenty of photos of her going through that process . Its funny how insensitive people are , with other people’s grief and stress . Bosses be like “ we are a family , come to me if you need a chat “ , also bosses “your performance has been poor this year , you need to pick your act up “ totally forgetting the reason you went to them in the first place . Narcissism to the max .

My concern is a bloke who had a brand new bub and a sick Mrs being asleep drunk behind the wheel of his car

If he was my brother I'd give him a clip and tell him to wake up to himself


If he was a rogue like an Allan Langer or Munster you could cop it .....he isn't in their leagues .....me I'd pass on him

Great to see your sensitivity on display there Hap.

Bet his Mrs loved all the attention he got ..added stress to whether he just lost his job ..which in turn he has now and will have to move interstate

Maybe having a brother and brother in law who were drug addicts desensitized me a lot .....

Not everyone walks in your shoes mate.

Can't apply your life as a template to how everyone else should live theirs.

Sometimes people need a jolt in life to see what is real and what isn't

I beat Jo didn't see this coming when he got picked for SOO did he ......


If we are going to dump the no DH policy lets do it for someone good ...not Reynolds ,Packer or Joe Doe

 

[supercoach]

The whole JAC saga was about money. When he signed the deal with us he thought it was top dollar, than the Dogs and Rabbits get into his ear about offering more cash. Anyway he knows if he gets a release from the Storm he is contracted to us, so he goes back to the Storm and brokers a upgrade for 2021 and can go anywhere in 2022. Spin doctors go to work to smooth over everything that has been said about family and home sickness.

Now the sort of money JAC will command in 2022 should be reserved for top notch spine players, not top notch wingers or rookie fullbacks. If I were the Tigers I would be putting JAC thing to bed and looking at other options

 

[cochise]

The whole JAC saga was about money. When he signed the deal with us he thought it was top dollar, than the Dogs and Rabbits get into his ear about offering more cash. Anyway he knows if he gets a release from the Storm he is contracted to us, so he goes back to the Storm and brokers a upgrade for 2021 and can go anywhere in 2022. Spin doctors go to work to smooth over everything that has been said about family and home sickness.

Now the sort of money JAC will command in 2022 should be reserved for top notch spine players, not top notch wingers or rookie fullbacks. If I were the Tigers I would be putting JAC thing to bed and looking at other options

I think we have.