Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tim Sheens]

With Ofahengaue looking very likely, I thought I may as well do a potential lineup for next year and here’s the one I’ve come up with

1. Daine Laurie* / Moses Mbye

2. David Nofoaluma

3. Joey Leilua

4. James Roberts

5. Asu Kepaoa

6. Adam Doueihi

7. Luke Brooks

8. James Tamou

9. Jake Simpkin / Jacob Liddle

10. Alex Twal

11. Luciano Leilua

12. Shawn Blore

13. Joe Ofahengaue

14. Tommy Talau

15. Thomas Mikaele

16. Zane Musgrove

17. Stefano Utoikamanu

I’ve went with an unpopular choice of having Talau coming off the bench. Mainly because of his versatility from 1-6 and the ability to be a roaming lock, similar to Stephen Crichton for the Panthers earlier in the year

The outside backs really excite me. There’s some young talent mixed with the experience. I’m tipping Brooks to have the best year of his career now that he can take control of the team without having Benji. It’ll certainly help him with the forward pack we’re building. Doueihi at 5/8 will be very good to watch. For me he would play a similar style to Jack Wighton there. Simpkin and Liddle would have to be the favourites for the hooker role as it stands which does excite me. Fingers crossed we can get Daine Laurie a year early


Good review however a few points of form last season.

1. Mybe - His form overall not great
3. Joey Leilua - Other Centres Talau/Momo
4. Roberts and BJ - Both defensive liabilities
7. Brooks - Nil excuses not to step up anymore
10. Twal - Very average last season - prefer Bench

Would fit Garner in there somewhere runs gores lines and can sniff out a try could be a good utility player option.

To be fair to Twal, he was injured a lot of last season.


Was'nt there a big Article about Twal coming back from lock down the fittest he has ever been.

You need forwards that can defend but also break the line and will of the opposition, I am not sure that Twal is that type of player - One stat despite a number of appearances never scored a try. Really not my call just an observation i think the Club hyped up his D and he was fairly average last season.

He was killing it before he was injured. He played long minutes, made 40 tackles without missing and was running well over 100 metres a game playing lock. People forget how good he was going because his finish to the season was not as good - but the whole team finished poorly. He will have a big 2021.

Well he needs to develop a passing game if he wants to play lock imo.

It all depends on how the coach wants to play. If there’s another of our props that can be a link man like Tamou he might not need to pass even if playing lock. I’m sure he can do it though he was doing it at the end of this season a few times.

Someone needs to step up in that role, as Elijah and Eiso provided most of that and it was often the only time we weren't getting hammered in the middle with the ball.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, who was falsely using the welfare card of family and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

 

[JC99]

With Ofahengaue looking very likely, I thought I may as well do a potential lineup for next year and here’s the one I’ve come up with

1. Daine Laurie* / Moses Mbye

2. David Nofoaluma

3. Joey Leilua

4. James Roberts

5. Asu Kepaoa

6. Adam Doueihi

7. Luke Brooks

8. James Tamou

9. Jake Simpkin / Jacob Liddle

10. Alex Twal

11. Luciano Leilua

12. Shawn Blore

13. Joe Ofahengaue

14. Tommy Talau

15. Thomas Mikaele

16. Zane Musgrove

17. Stefano Utoikamanu

I’ve went with an unpopular choice of having Talau coming off the bench. Mainly because of his versatility from 1-6 and the ability to be a roaming lock, similar to Stephen Crichton for the Panthers earlier in the year

The outside backs really excite me. There’s some young talent mixed with the experience. I’m tipping Brooks to have the best year of his career now that he can take control of the team without having Benji. It’ll certainly help him with the forward pack we’re building. Doueihi at 5/8 will be very good to watch. For me he would play a similar style to Jack Wighton there. Simpkin and Liddle would have to be the favourites for the hooker role as it stands which does excite me. Fingers crossed we can get Daine Laurie a year early


Good review however a few points of form last season.

1. Mybe - His form overall not great
3. Joey Leilua - Other Centres Talau/Momo
4. Roberts and BJ - Both defensive liabilities
7. Brooks - Nil excuses not to step up anymore
10. Twal - Very average last season - prefer Bench

Would fit Garner in there somewhere runs gores lines and can sniff out a try could be a good utility player option.

To be fair to Twal, he was injured a lot of last season.


Was'nt there a big Article about Twal coming back from lock down the fittest he has ever been.

You need forwards that can defend but also break the line and will of the opposition, I am not sure that Twal is that type of player - One stat despite a number of appearances never scored a try. Really not my call just an observation i think the Club hyped up his D and he was fairly average last season.

He was killing it before he was injured. He played long minutes, made 40 tackles without missing and was running well over 100 metres a game playing lock. People forget how good he was going because his finish to the season was not as good - but the whole team finished poorly. He will have a big 2021.

Well he needs to develop a passing game if he wants to play lock imo.

It all depends on how the coach wants to play. If there’s another of our props that can be a link man like Tamou he might not need to pass even if playing lock. I’m sure he can do it though he was doing it at the end of this season a few times.

Someone needs to step up in that role, as Elijah and Eiso provided most of that and it was often the only time we weren't getting hammered in the middle with the ball.

I’m sure Twal or someone else can do it. It’s just simple passing most of the time. What we need is more offloads from our forwards and our outside backs pushing up around them. Essentially getting extra tackles and extra metres in a set makes a huge difference

 

[Tim Sheens]

With Ofahengaue looking very likely, I thought I may as well do a potential lineup for next year and here’s the one I’ve come up with

1. Daine Laurie* / Moses Mbye

2. David Nofoaluma

3. Joey Leilua

4. James Roberts

5. Asu Kepaoa

6. Adam Doueihi

7. Luke Brooks

8. James Tamou

9. Jake Simpkin / Jacob Liddle

10. Alex Twal

11. Luciano Leilua

12. Shawn Blore

13. Joe Ofahengaue

14. Tommy Talau

15. Thomas Mikaele

16. Zane Musgrove

17. Stefano Utoikamanu

I’ve went with an unpopular choice of having Talau coming off the bench. Mainly because of his versatility from 1-6 and the ability to be a roaming lock, similar to Stephen Crichton for the Panthers earlier in the year

The outside backs really excite me. There’s some young talent mixed with the experience. I’m tipping Brooks to have the best year of his career now that he can take control of the team without having Benji. It’ll certainly help him with the forward pack we’re building. Doueihi at 5/8 will be very good to watch. For me he would play a similar style to Jack Wighton there. Simpkin and Liddle would have to be the favourites for the hooker role as it stands which does excite me. Fingers crossed we can get Daine Laurie a year early


Good review however a few points of form last season.

1. Mybe - His form overall not great
3. Joey Leilua - Other Centres Talau/Momo
4. Roberts and BJ - Both defensive liabilities
7. Brooks - Nil excuses not to step up anymore
10. Twal - Very average last season - prefer Bench

Would fit Garner in there somewhere runs gores lines and can sniff out a try could be a good utility player option.

To be fair to Twal, he was injured a lot of last season.


Was'nt there a big Article about Twal coming back from lock down the fittest he has ever been.

You need forwards that can defend but also break the line and will of the opposition, I am not sure that Twal is that type of player - One stat despite a number of appearances never scored a try. Really not my call just an observation i think the Club hyped up his D and he was fairly average last season.

He was killing it before he was injured. He played long minutes, made 40 tackles without missing and was running well over 100 metres a game playing lock. People forget how good he was going because his finish to the season was not as good - but the whole team finished poorly. He will have a big 2021.

Well he needs to develop a passing game if he wants to play lock imo.

It all depends on how the coach wants to play. If there’s another of our props that can be a link man like Tamou he might not need to pass even if playing lock. I’m sure he can do it though he was doing it at the end of this season a few times.

Someone needs to step up in that role, as Elijah and Eiso provided most of that and it was often the only time we weren't getting hammered in the middle with the ball.

I’m sure Twal or someone else can do it. It’s just simple passing most of the time. What we need is more offloads from our forwards and our outside backs pushing up around them. Essentially getting extra tackles and extra metres in a set makes a huge difference

I liked the look of Laurie in that role in his full game against the dogs, where the traitor seemed to have him sniffing around on the early tackles before moving wider to the chime in on the right on the latter plays. Let us hope the Panthers give the kid a break.

 

[earl]

Sorry FINNZO,but our backline leaked like a sieve,Mybe is like a roundabout,just go around him.

Mbye has a lot of faults but his defense was pretty good.

Yep it was just his hologram that let 4 tries in against Souffs.

It was a one off. It proves the point that overall his defense was pretty good. It was a strong point of his game apart from the game against Souths.

Atm he is our best option at fullback next year and that is a concern. I like him as a bench utility player. He is gone though when his contract finishes.

 

[Lauren]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

 

[Tigers_Wests]

I’m sure Twal or someone else can do it. It’s just simple passing most of the time. What we need is more offloads from our forwards and our outside backs pushing up around them. Essentially getting extra tackles and extra metres in a set makes a huge difference

Agree that we need to get more offloads from our big boys. With the 6 again rule into play and higher fatigue, any extra opportunities to carve up in the middle of the field, make more metres and wear down the opposition is gold. Would love to see Twal develop an offload in his game. Always seems to have the arms free but opts for the safe option to hold it.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Didnt Melbourne deny him the release are people upset jac isn't carrying on like aloiai the pork chop.

 

[JD Tiger]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I don't find it immature at all. JAC for over the last year said he wanted to leave Melbourne and be closer to his family. I believe he has had numerous deaths in his family in that time.

There appeared to be urgency in his request, but Storm has stalled for over a year, and he seems fine with that, even happy to wait another year. Maybe the family situation is less dire now, I don't know, but we do know that he has been given more money now to say with Storm. We know he could have agreed to coming to us in 2022, but he decided not to.

It seems possible (maybe even probable) that the need to leave Melbourne wasn't just for reasons to be closer to family, but him wanting more money. There was a reference in a story several months ago about JAC whilst in Origin camp last year, heard how much some of his fellow players are on, and he was on significantly less.

When two people look at the same scenario, they will often see different things, it doesn't make either of them necessarily right or wrong, and doesn't make either of them necessarily immature.

 

[TigerWest]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

Pretty sure he would of had financial security and close to family here?

I think the brotherhood got in his ear and said we were a no go, but interesting now that a couple of indigenous players have just signed.

The question now is do we continue to chase him or get a better FB (Daine L may well be the answer)?

There are a few positions that could use a decent upgrade?

 

[Tim Sheens]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

Well agree with points however did'nt LM go to Souths on less coin. His transition to fullback must be complemented however also more injury prone now...

JAC old news we move on & happy with recent signings on low coin more about development at present good for 2022/23.

 

[ElleryHanley]

Didnt Melbourne deny him the release are people upset jac isn't carrying on like aloiai the pork chop.

Melb denied JAC....but bumped his pay up almost 200 grand a year. I.e. he got what he wanted.

Josh A wants more money also.

Melb and JAC are not some ideal example in this. He wanted out, and forced them to bump up his pay. He is not carrying on with it as he got the extra money.

Both are purely about $$$.

 

[Lauren]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

 

[Tiger5150]

Sorry FINNZO,but our backline leaked like a sieve,Mybe is like a roundabout,just go around him.

Mbye has a lot of faults but his defense was pretty good.

Yep it was just his hologram that let 4 tries in against Souffs.

***It was a one off. It proves the point that overall his defense was pretty good.*** It was a strong point of his game apart from the game against Souths.

Atm he is our best option at fullback next year and that is a concern. I like him as a bench utility player. He is gone though when his contract finishes.

Mbye at Centre was the best defender in the backline consistently. It was no coincidence that in that Souffs game he had a young debutant outside him.

 

[Tiger5150]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

Pretty sure he would of had financial security and close to family here?

I think the brotherhood got in his ear and said we were a no go, but interesting now that a couple of indigenous players have just signed.

***The question now is do we continue to chase him or get a better FB*** (Daine L may well be the answer)?

There are a few positions that could use a decent upgrade?

I think if we could get DL earlier and if we can have some success next year, JAC's signature is less important.

JAC signing serves two purposes. Firstly to improve our team and secondly to attract quality players. We are already attracting bettewr quality players and with success this could improve obviously.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Didnt Melbourne deny him the release are people upset jac isn't carrying on like aloiai the pork chop.


Melb denied JAC....but bumped his pay up almost 200 grand a year. I.e. he got what he wanted.

Josh A wants more money also.

Melb and JAC are not some ideal example in this. He wanted out, and forced them to bump up his pay. He is not carrying on with it as he got the extra money.

Both are purely about $$$.

That is fair enough chasing the coin.
lesson for us don't pay over's anymore unless your a proven Marquee player or a loyal club player that wants to actually play for the WT and remain loyal.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Sorry FINNZO,but our backline leaked like a sieve,Mybe is like a roundabout,just go around him.

Mbye has a lot of faults but his defense was pretty good.

Yep it was just his hologram that let 4 tries in against Souffs.

***It was a one off. It proves the point that overall his defense was pretty good.*** It was a strong point of his game apart from the game against Souths.

Atm he is our best option at fullback next year and that is a concern. I like him as a bench utility player. He is gone though when his contract finishes.

Mbye at Centre was the best defender in the backline consistently. It was no coincidence that in that Souffs game he had a young debutant outside him.

I highly doubt that for the coin he is on the worst performing player in 2020 and also captain.
I recall with debutantes he left them no other options but to come up as he was chasing thin air.
Fullback in reality or a bench player considering our centre depth now and no longer captain in 2021.
He is one of the three players if Madge could off load he would Mybe/Reynolds/Packer....

 

[Tiger5150]

Sorry FINNZO,but our backline leaked like a sieve,Mybe is like a roundabout,just go around him.

Mbye has a lot of faults but his defense was pretty good.

Yep it was just his hologram that let 4 tries in against Souffs.

***It was a one off. It proves the point that overall his defense was pretty good.*** It was a strong point of his game apart from the game against Souths.

Atm he is our best option at fullback next year and that is a concern. I like him as a bench utility player. He is gone though when his contract finishes.

Mbye at Centre was the best defender in the backline consistently. It was no coincidence that in that Souffs game he had a young debutant outside him.


I highly doubt that for the coin he is on the worst performing player in 2020 and also captain.

I have issues with this statement (not you) on a number of counts. Firstly you cant judge performance on the field relative to coin (of course you can judge value to the squad based on cap consumption). When they cross the white line, all are equal and can only be judged on how well they play. Mbye always puts in, I dont believe that can be questioned. Again I would suggest he is the best defender (other than that one game) than anyone in the back five (any back other than Brooks tbh). Who would you suggest is a better defender in the backs?

Secondly, if you want to judge worst performing "based on coin" it would be pretty hard to past Packer or Reynolds.

I recall with debutantes he left them no other options but to come up as he was chasing thin air.

Chicken and egg, was it because his winger was out of position he had too. I dont think its possible to know. That game was terrible for both of them.

***Fullback in reality or a bench player*** considering our centre depth now and no longer captain in 2021.

Im with you here. 1 or 14 for me.

He is one of the three players if Madge could off load he would Mybe/Reynolds/Packer....

Probably right based on cap weight. Im pretty sure he would be third on this list of who he ***wants*** to offload, but he is probably first on that list of players that may be ***possible*** to offload. No one is going to touch the others.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

I think give up on JAC,clearly doesn’t want to be at the club after dogging is twice,don’t give him a 3rd chance at doing it

I agree, we are just a bargaining chip for JAC, no doubt he had a good laugh with his ‘thick as 2 planks’ mate Latrell Mitchell - they both benefited from protracted ‘Claytons’ negotiations to serve their own interests.
Time to steer clear of these self-loved-up hypocrites!

I am okay with the way Latrell did things, especially with a change of manager in the midst, but not so with JAC, **who was falsely using the welfare card of family** and on a similar level of Mitchell Moses actions.

See this comment made a lot on here and find it quite an immature response and it makes WT supporters seem a little vengeful.
How do you know it was a false claim?
He wanted compassionate leave on the grounds that he'd lost family members - and his grandfather(who's now passed) was sick. He spoke quite openly about feeling personal regret with not being there or around, and that it was precious time with family that he can't get back.
Because Melbourne failed to release him then furthermore offered a raise, which he took, doesn't exactly refute whether it was a false request or not.

I actually think the club know they've a good chance of going back-to-back and the whole team are committed to making it happen. The media over the years has often covered stories on his relationship with his Grandfather and losing him would've been the biggest motivator for moving back to Syndey.
I think the big issue with the JAC contract offer was the same as with Latrell's, the way it played out in the media is what's frustrated fans the most and just because it hasn't turned out in the club's favour there's been a big overreaction with everything.
Fair enough he could've been giving the club the run around but it doesn't make his claims untrue. Him gaining additional financial security (for him and his family) and having a genuine opportunity of premiership is the exact reason anyone choose to play rugby league. Players shouldn't be bagged or begrudged because of that alone.

I am not frustrated at all and full of empathy, which I happily give to Latrell and others, but not for someone who has used family, particularly a child as part of a bargaining position, then staying at Melbourne for some extra dollars. I believe my only comment on JAC potentially coming in prior weeks was Que sera sera, as that was my position and have little doubt that his decision is solely based on getting a bigger pay day and keeping the other advantages of the team by staying put for another year.

So, not fussed on him not signing here as the dollars will be used elsewhere, though if he had genuine reasons to be in Sydney he would be here now, whether at WT or not, as no player with genuine welfare issues would be held to a contract by any club, nor would the club have to pay more when nor remedial to the supposed issue. I don’t begrudge the guy getting a pay rise as it was deserved, just own the reason why he is staying, which is simply more commensurate compensation.

Thanks for responding @formerguest.
Probably shouldn't have worded it as fans collectively being frustrated, as I can't speak on behalf of all the fan base. But like I said in the other post, why is there still talk of LM and JAC despite us having moved on from it? Plus there are many other players we've missed out on barely spoken about.
Agree money is a motivating factor but it still doesn't disprove the truth or accuracy of his request or needs for his family.

As I said, I see the pair's negotiations in separate and totally different lights, though we likely share something on the extra attention this pair get for reasons outside of footy. I do hold one thing in against Josh, but it is years old when he was here as he lied to the club and supporters, having strung us along in useless negotiations despite having signed with the storm before his debut and long before all the Pascoe going on holiday crap arose. Having written that, now thinking there may well be a pattern there.