Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[happy_tiger]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds. Just watch

That’s not true . Liddle played like 15 minutes a game at most . We let in most of our points around the ruck when grant and Mikalele were standing next to Garner benji and BJ.
Whether that’s because guys were burnt out , couldn’t tackle or were just old or fat , whatever . That has nothing to do with Liddle .

No mate, I’m talking about the 3 mid-season games where Liddle played 80 almost every week whilst Harry was missing. We went from conceding 17 average points per game with Harry, to 33 with Liddle

@gazlord95 showed you what you’re saying is not true . He played 2 games , 1 we beat the dogs , the other for walloped by the roosters . Like I said , it was also around the time we were playing injured middles . Reserve graders and guys like Packer . To even remotely imply it was Liddle just shows how ridiculous you’re perception is .
I’m not saying he’s an amazing defender , but he did just come back from a knee reco , and I thought he played pretty well.
Grant was not good the last 10 weeks . He just wasn’t . And that’s understandable , it’s his first year in first grade . His defence wasn’t good either . But I don’t blame him. The reality is , We went backwards every time Mikalele and who ever was his opposite for that game came on .
People point to missed tackle efficiency, but I would love to see how many tries were scored through his gap whilst he was on .

I’m sorry , I don’t think the gap between Liddle and grant is that great . What we saw last year is 1 guy on the positive side of his form guide and another on the negative .

I have faith in Liddle and I rate him . I see Damien Cook , big time in him . Even to the point he hasn’t come on until his mid twenties .

Really hard to tell Strongee ...when Liddle did play he was coming off the back of Grant on most occasions .....


Grant is the 3rd / 4th best best hooker in the comp ...how Hodgson will come back from a 2nd knee injury will be interesting


Where Liddle rates as a hooker is a real doozy ..how can you compare with so little game time and his previous injuries .....thats the big question ...at least a $63995 question

I agree! I think though of all the gambles this club has done on the past, he would be a safe one.

Even if he wasnt, we spent alot of damn money on his rehab and bringing him back in. To drop or disregard him at this point would just be an absolute waste of time and effort tbh. I'd give him a crack for 5-6 games at the start of next season.

And that the next issue Gaz ...if Liddle does have issues again ...where do we draw that line in the sand ...much the same issue we have with Brooks ...when do you write off the investment

 

[Holden]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds. Just watch

That’s not true . Liddle played like 15 minutes a game at most . We let in most of our points around the ruck when grant and Mikalele were standing next to Garner benji and BJ.
Whether that’s because guys were burnt out , couldn’t tackle or were just old or fat , whatever . That has nothing to do with Liddle .

No mate, I’m talking about the 3 mid-season games where Liddle played 80 almost every week whilst Harry was missing. We went from conceding 17 average points per game with Harry, to 33 with Liddle

@gazlord95 showed you what you’re saying is not true . He played 2 games , 1 we beat the dogs , the other for walloped by the roosters . Like I said , it was also around the time we were playing injured middles . Reserve graders and guys like Packer . To even remotely imply it was Liddle just shows how ridiculous you’re perception is .
I’m not saying he’s an amazing defender , but he did just come back from a knee reco , and I thought he played pretty well.
Grant was not good the last 10 weeks . He just wasn’t . And that’s understandable , it’s his first year in first grade . His defence wasn’t good either . But I don’t blame him. The reality is , We went backwards every time Mikalele and who ever was his opposite for that game came on .
People point to missed tackle efficiency, but I would love to see how many tries were scored through his gap whilst he was on .

I’m sorry , I don’t think the gap between Liddle and grant is that great . What we saw last year is 1 guy on the positive side of his form guide and another on the negative .

I have faith in Liddle and I rate him . I see Damien Cook , big time in him . Even to the point he hasn’t come on until his mid twenties .

Really hard to tell Strongee ...when Liddle did play he was coming off the back of Grant on most occasions .....


Grant is the 3rd / 4th best best hooker in the comp ...how Hodgson will come back from a 2nd knee injury will be interesting


Where Liddle rates as a hooker is a real doozy ..how can you compare with so little game time and his previous injuries .....thats the big question ...at least a $63995 question

I agree! I think though of all the gambles this club has done on the past, he would be a safe one.

Even if he wasnt, we spent alot of damn money on his rehab and bringing him back in. To drop or disregard him at this point would just be an absolute waste of time and effort tbh. I'd give him a crack for 5-6 games at the start of next season.

And that the next issue Gaz ...if Liddle does have issues again ...where do we draw that line in the sand ...much the same issue we have with Brooks ...when do you write off the investment

Err seeing as his signed till end of 2021 and no further enhancements have been offerred, I say it would be safe to give the bloke a crack in 2021 at starting hooker, I think I agree with most of you in re to brooks, but we just dont have better alternatives.

One of those moments where you hope madden is also as good as they say.

 

[Russell]

Doesnt matter how he spells it...for mine as a no 9(and thats his main role) hes behind Smith/Smith/Harry/Hodgson/korosau/Friend/Cook and Radke..which makes him a mid ranked hooker.
Were not going to improve paying big $$ for honest toilers
Mybe 2.0
Really hope one of Liddle or Simpkins becomes ABOVE average in 2021,plus weve got Walters floating around from May
Weve got no back up in the halves,and a makeshift fullback

How many top 10 players do we have in our team right now? He’s a top 10 hooker. I’d argue he’s better than Friend and Hodgson too. Maybe not worth $700k, but he’s better than average that’s for sure.

You are delusional if you think Josh Hodgson is not as good as McInnes?

Hodgson has been carrying Canberra on his back for a few years. A major blow to their 2020 hopes when he was injured. McInnes is good but is not in the same class.

He’s slowed down a little. He’s still a great playmaker but he doesn’t have the running game and defence that McInnes does. Plenty of injury issues too. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, both quality players. Id take either if the opportunity presented itself ?

No conflict that is good.

You can have McInnes - I'll take Hodgson.

 

[Russell]

Doesnt matter how he spells it...for mine as a no 9(and thats his main role) hes behind Smith/Smith/Harry/Hodgson/korosau/Friend/Cook and Radke..which makes him a mid ranked hooker.
Were not going to improve paying big $$ for honest toilers
Mybe 2.0
Really hope one of Liddle or Simpkins becomes ABOVE average in 2021,plus weve got Walters floating around from May
Weve got no back up in the halves,and a makeshift fullback

How many top 10 players do we have in our team right now? He’s a top 10 hooker. I’d argue he’s better than Friend and Hodgson too. Maybe not worth $700k, but he’s better than average that’s for sure.

You are delusional if you think Josh Hodgson is not as good as McInnes?

Hodgson has been carrying Canberra on his back for a few years. A major blow to their 2020 hopes when he was injured. McInnes is good but is not in the same class.

Blimey Charlie Russell I just dunno...here it is Christmas/Boxing Day :christmas_tree: :cherries: :church: :mother_christmas: ...a time of the year that should be about Peace and Love for our fellow man/woman and your telling @JC99 he's delusional.
Isn't he entitled to have his say without being told that?
Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?
Anyway...I hope you had a happy :christmas_tree: :mother_christmas: Christmas Day, but it doesnt seem like you did and I'm disappointed :disappointed: for you if that's the case .

You berate me saying delusional and then tell me to pull my head in - double standards there I think Maggie.

What did you want me to say? - probably nothing.

Presume you think that people should have their say and nobody should say anything in return or maybe something like...

"Oh! I say JC99, I would just like to mention that I think you could be incorrect (to my mind that is), however please don't take offence at what I said, wouldn't want to hurt your feelings, so please forget I said anything at all, or that I am even alive".

Nah! I don't think so ~ I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc.

You can pass an opinion on a public foum - that does not exclude you from being pulled up on a point or to be critisised.

 

[Holden]

Doesnt matter how he spells it...for mine as a no 9(and thats his main role) hes behind Smith/Smith/Harry/Hodgson/korosau/Friend/Cook and Radke..which makes him a mid ranked hooker.
Were not going to improve paying big $$ for honest toilers
Mybe 2.0
Really hope one of Liddle or Simpkins becomes ABOVE average in 2021,plus weve got Walters floating around from May
Weve got no back up in the halves,and a makeshift fullback

How many top 10 players do we have in our team right now? He’s a top 10 hooker. I’d argue he’s better than Friend and Hodgson too. Maybe not worth $700k, but he’s better than average that’s for sure.

You are delusional if you think Josh Hodgson is not as good as McInnes?

Hodgson has been carrying Canberra on his back for a few years. A major blow to their 2020 hopes when he was injured. McInnes is good but is not in the same class.

Blimey Charlie Russell I just dunno...here it is Christmas/Boxing Day :christmas_tree: :cherries: :church: :mother_christmas: ...a time of the year that should be about Peace and Love for our fellow man/woman and your telling @JC99 he's delusional.
Isn't he entitled to have his say without being told that?
Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?
Anyway...I hope you had a happy :christmas_tree: :mother_christmas: Christmas Day, but it doesnt seem like you did and I'm disappointed :disappointed: for you if that's the case .

You berate me saying delusional and then tell me to pull my head in - double standards there I think Maggie.

What did you want me to say? - probably nothing.

Presume you think that people should have their say and nobody should say anything in return or maybe something like...

"Oh! I say JC99, I would just like to mention that I think you could be incorrect (to my mind that is), however please don't take offence at what I said, wouldn't want to hurt your feelings, so please forget I said anything at all, or that I am even alive".

Nah! I don't think so ~ I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc.

You can pass an opinion on a public foum - that does not exclude you from being pulled up on a point or to be critisised.

I don't think your stupid, but i know and have experienced how toxic this forum can be to people talking their mind.

Chin up bro much love, I'll be keen for a friendly banter any day of the week

 

[Russell]

incase anyone else is wondering why were talking Mcinnes:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/kja964/cameron_mcinnes_recently_met_with_wests_tigers/

The guy has grit and we need that. The floating of him between Lock and Hooker worked for St George this year... This I think would play into Liddle and the more fast pace we see from League.

Yet,
Simpkins seems to be a long term prospect. I would not block him with McInnes. A Two year contract could do that. Dragons were not finals material, the Storm and Canberra were, Both Josh Hodgson and Brandon Smith offer a fair bit more then McInnes. Even then if I wanted to recruit someone it would still be Angus Crichton. When we gave our all VS Parramatta I applauded our team, but we got steamrolled in spite of us putting our best efforts. We just won't get there without good forwards and it really doesn't matter if it's any of the above in Nr9 if our forward pack isn't going forward.

That Cheese bloke makes an impact on games through sheer enthusiasm, much like Josh Reynolds in his prime. Skills-wise Cheese would be about the 12th best hooker in the league, he doesn't have many strings to his bow at all IMO.


That's a big call, can you post the 11 that you think are in front of him?

Skills-wise? Sure. Hodgson, Liddle, Mahoney, Korisau, the stabber from Manly, the balding flog from Storm, Friend, both the Braileys, McCulluch, Grant, Granville. How many short?

I'm assuming your list isn't in order? and it's also 2 short. Skill-wise you're dreaming

You also forgot McInnes

**2020 stats**

Hodgson - 9 games, 0 tries, 37 metres/pg
Liddle - 6 games, 1 try, 49 metres p/g
Mahoney - 21 games, 6 tries, 25 metres p/g
Korosiau - 20 games, 3 tries, 57 meters p/g
Jayden Brailey - 2 games, 0 tries, 21 metres p/g
Blayke Brailey - 20 games, 4 tries, 43 metres p/g
McCullough -10 games, 2 tries, 37.4 metres p/g
Grant - 15 games, 3 tries, 88 metres p/g
Granville - 8 games, 0 tries, 50 metres p/g

McInness - 18 games, 1 try, 120 metres p/g

Brandon Smith. - 18 games, 3 tries, 118 metres p/g

By my calculation that puts Brandon on top slightly ahead of McIness.

Do yourself a favour mate and have a look at the stats before you post rubbish

Context is King. Raw stats are meaningless on their own. You have to ask yourself how did McInnes and Smith make so many meters? The answer is it wasn’t while they were playing 9. So you need to take those meters and games, where they played in other positions, out of the stats to compare apples with apples.


Stats mean everything, it's how a coach, talent manager and the club rates a players strengths and weaknesses, from there they can build a plan to improve their skills and rectify any flaws.

You can argue that stats don't always show results eg. Benji this year, but in the case of B Smith, he produced and the Storm won the premiership.

He is definitely not the 12th ranked hooker in the nrl as stated by @Fade-To-Black

You believe your stats - I'll believe my eyes while I'm watching the game.

 

[Holden]

Doesnt matter how he spells it...for mine as a no 9(and thats his main role) hes behind Smith/Smith/Harry/Hodgson/korosau/Friend/Cook and Radke..which makes him a mid ranked hooker.
Were not going to improve paying big $$ for honest toilers
Mybe 2.0
Really hope one of Liddle or Simpkins becomes ABOVE average in 2021,plus weve got Walters floating around from May
Weve got no back up in the halves,and a makeshift fullback

How many top 10 players do we have in our team right now? He’s a top 10 hooker. I’d argue he’s better than Friend and Hodgson too. Maybe not worth $700k, but he’s better than average that’s for sure.

You are delusional if you think Josh Hodgson is not as good as McInnes?

Hodgson has been carrying Canberra on his back for a few years. A major blow to their 2020 hopes when he was injured. McInnes is good but is not in the same class.

Blimey Charlie Russell I just dunno...here it is Christmas/Boxing Day :christmas_tree: :cherries: :church: :mother_christmas: ...a time of the year that should be about Peace and Love for our fellow man/woman and your telling @JC99 he's delusional.
Isn't he entitled to have his say without being told that?
Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?
Anyway...I hope you had a happy :christmas_tree: :mother_christmas: Christmas Day, but it doesnt seem like you did and I'm disappointed :disappointed: for you if that's the case .

You berate me saying delusional and then tell me to pull my head in - double standards there I think Maggie.

What did you want me to say? - probably nothing.

Presume you think that people should have their say and nobody should say anything in return or maybe something like...

"Oh! I say JC99, I would just like to mention that I think you could be incorrect (to my mind that is), however please don't take offence at what I said, wouldn't want to hurt your feelings, so please forget I said anything at all, or that I am even alive".

Nah! I don't think so ~ I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc.

You can pass an opinion on a public foum - that does not exclude you from being pulled up on a point or to be critisised.

Mind you though, I don't think that's what @MAGPIES1963 meant, and I highly rate @JC99 comments here, so just take it with a grain of salt and lets all get along

 

[Russell]

Doesnt matter how he spells it...for mine as a no 9(and thats his main role) hes behind Smith/Smith/Harry/Hodgson/korosau/Friend/Cook and Radke..which makes him a mid ranked hooker.
Were not going to improve paying big $$ for honest toilers
Mybe 2.0
Really hope one of Liddle or Simpkins becomes ABOVE average in 2021,plus weve got Walters floating around from May
Weve got no back up in the halves,and a makeshift fullback

How many top 10 players do we have in our team right now? He’s a top 10 hooker. I’d argue he’s better than Friend and Hodgson too. Maybe not worth $700k, but he’s better than average that’s for sure.

You are delusional if you think Josh Hodgson is not as good as McInnes?

Hodgson has been carrying Canberra on his back for a few years. A major blow to their 2020 hopes when he was injured. McInnes is good but is not in the same class.

Blimey Charlie Russell I just dunno...here it is Christmas/Boxing Day :christmas_tree: :cherries: :church: :mother_christmas: ...a time of the year that should be about Peace and Love for our fellow man/woman and your telling @JC99 he's delusional.
Isn't he entitled to have his say without being told that?
Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?
Anyway...I hope you had a happy :christmas_tree: :mother_christmas: Christmas Day, but it doesnt seem like you did and I'm disappointed :disappointed: for you if that's the case .

You berate me saying delusional and then tell me to pull my head in - double standards there I think Maggie.

What did you want me to say? - probably nothing.

Presume you think that people should have their say and nobody should say anything in return or maybe something like...

"Oh! I say JC99, I would just like to mention that I think you could be incorrect (to my mind that is), however please don't take offence at what I said, wouldn't want to hurt your feelings, so please forget I said anything at all, or that I am even alive".

Nah! I don't think so ~ I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc.

You can pass an opinion on a public foum - that does not exclude you from being pulled up on a point or to be critisised.

Mind you though, I don't think that's what @MAGPIES1963 meant, and I highly rate @JC99 comments here, so just take it with a grain of salt and lets all get along

Do you what's going on here....

I'm saying (as above) "I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc."

I've taken those comments on board - I do take exception to someone else telling me to " Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?"

The point is : @JC99 and @MAGPIES1963 can take it with a grain of salt as I did. I also don't care what day it was.

 

[Holden]

Doesnt matter how he spells it...for mine as a no 9(and thats his main role) hes behind Smith/Smith/Harry/Hodgson/korosau/Friend/Cook and Radke..which makes him a mid ranked hooker.
Were not going to improve paying big $$ for honest toilers
Mybe 2.0
Really hope one of Liddle or Simpkins becomes ABOVE average in 2021,plus weve got Walters floating around from May
Weve got no back up in the halves,and a makeshift fullback

How many top 10 players do we have in our team right now? He’s a top 10 hooker. I’d argue he’s better than Friend and Hodgson too. Maybe not worth $700k, but he’s better than average that’s for sure.

You are delusional if you think Josh Hodgson is not as good as McInnes?

Hodgson has been carrying Canberra on his back for a few years. A major blow to their 2020 hopes when he was injured. McInnes is good but is not in the same class.

Blimey Charlie Russell I just dunno...here it is Christmas/Boxing Day :christmas_tree: :cherries: :church: :mother_christmas: ...a time of the year that should be about Peace and Love for our fellow man/woman and your telling @JC99 he's delusional.
Isn't he entitled to have his say without being told that?
Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?
Anyway...I hope you had a happy :christmas_tree: :mother_christmas: Christmas Day, but it doesnt seem like you did and I'm disappointed :disappointed: for you if that's the case .

You berate me saying delusional and then tell me to pull my head in - double standards there I think Maggie.

What did you want me to say? - probably nothing.

Presume you think that people should have their say and nobody should say anything in return or maybe something like...

"Oh! I say JC99, I would just like to mention that I think you could be incorrect (to my mind that is), however please don't take offence at what I said, wouldn't want to hurt your feelings, so please forget I said anything at all, or that I am even alive".

Nah! I don't think so ~ I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc.

You can pass an opinion on a public foum - that does not exclude you from being pulled up on a point or to be critisised.

Mind you though, I don't think that's what @MAGPIES1963 meant, and I highly rate @JC99 comments here, so just take it with a grain of salt and lets all get along

Do you what's going on here....

I'm saying (as above) "I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc."

I've taken those comments on board - I do take exception to someone else telling me to " Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?"

The point is : @JC99 and @MAGPIES1963 can take it with a grain of salt as I did. I also don't care what day it was.

That's crap fam, I have personally never seen those 2 write things like that.

But regardless, If anyone has its just not on. This should be a safe space to vent and chill imo :blush: 🙂

EDIT: And as mentioned above, I will always be super keen to banter in good spirit if your ever down. + followed

 

[ElleryHanley]

Ky rodwell and billy stempleton look like units

Had a chat with Ron Palmer today, reckons Ky Rodwell is the best trainer at the club and will definitely be in the top 17. Also said Stefano needs to learn how to train and we've got more second row candidates than anything else. Wouldn't commit on AD playing 5/8.

Who is Ky Rodwell? First time I’ve heard of him

Interesting comments from Palmer. His comments are worth listening to. I’d say they must be thinking 2nd row because our front row rotation of Tamou, Twal, Offa, Musgrove seems strong. I’m also thinking Blore to 13 with Luciano and Garner in second row. That leaves bench spots for 2nd hooker and one more. Mikaele I’d think. But maybe Palmer thinking Rodwell gets this spot??

Ky rodwell and billy stempleton look like units

Had a chat with Ron Palmer today, reckons Ky Rodwell is the best trainer at the club and will definitely be in the top 17. Also said Stefano needs to learn how to train and we've got more second row candidates than anything else. Wouldn't commit on AD playing 5/8.

Who is Ky Rodwell? First time I’ve heard of him

Interesting comments from Palmer. His comments are worth listening to. I’d say they must be thinking 2nd row because our front row rotation of Tamou, Twal, Offa, Musgrove seems strong. I’m also thinking Blore to 13 with Luciano and Garner in second row. That leaves bench spots for 2nd hooker and one more. Mikaele I’d think. But maybe Palmer thinking Rodwell gets this spot??

Very interesting....Madge is the one who got him to Souths when he was a top tier Aus Schoolboys Kangaroo and chased by several clubs.

Old story below...photos with him and Madge together etc.


Their forwards have come under fire this season but South Sydney are on the verge of re-signing one of the most in-demand Australian Schoolboys in the game.

Ky Rodwell, who was captain of the Rabbitohs’ SG Ball side before moving into their Holden Cup squad, is poised to ink a new three-year-deal with the club.

 

[Cairnstigers]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is **he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds**. Just watch

Thats crystal ball talk
But ? I would like to know from everyone on the Forum, especially those reluctant to sign McInnes , who do we have that is good enough to play Hooker if Liddle goes down in the 1st few weeks
Or do we just write off our season again because there is always next year

Mate I’m all for McInnes . I just don’t think Liddle is rubbish . And I don’t like it , when people death ride one of our juniors , who has been loyal to us , because they’re all googily eyed over the shiny new toy we just had .

I don't think anyone has said Liddle is rubbish
I think many of us think we may be light on in the hooker roll with experience should liddle go down
I think if we do try to sign McInnes it will be for insurance should Liddle go down
Its not to replace him
But I do think McInnes would make a good 80 minute lock
That in turn give us one of the strongest forward rotations in the competition
And we would still have 2 roster spots open to improve our backs
Just my opinion though but I like that idea
But let's not also forget that this is of the assumption he comes for 2021 which is unlikely
In 2022 we have about 8 players off contract
McInnes would be an upgrade on many of these players

 

[happy_tiger]

Doesnt matter how he spells it...for mine as a no 9(and thats his main role) hes behind Smith/Smith/Harry/Hodgson/korosau/Friend/Cook and Radke..which makes him a mid ranked hooker.
Were not going to improve paying big $$ for honest toilers
Mybe 2.0
Really hope one of Liddle or Simpkins becomes ABOVE average in 2021,plus weve got Walters floating around from May
Weve got no back up in the halves,and a makeshift fullback

How many top 10 players do we have in our team right now? He’s a top 10 hooker. I’d argue he’s better than Friend and Hodgson too. Maybe not worth $700k, but he’s better than average that’s for sure.

You are delusional if you think Josh Hodgson is not as good as McInnes?

Hodgson has been carrying Canberra on his back for a few years. A major blow to their 2020 hopes when he was injured. McInnes is good but is not in the same class.

Blimey Charlie Russell I just dunno...here it is Christmas/Boxing Day :christmas_tree: :cherries: :church: :mother_christmas: ...a time of the year that should be about Peace and Love for our fellow man/woman and your telling @JC99 he's delusional.
Isn't he entitled to have his say without being told that?
Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?
Anyway...I hope you had a happy :christmas_tree: :mother_christmas: Christmas Day, but it doesnt seem like you did and I'm disappointed :disappointed: for you if that's the case .

You berate me saying delusional and then tell me to pull my head in - double standards there I think Maggie.

What did you want me to say? - probably nothing.

Presume you think that people should have their say and nobody should say anything in return or maybe something like...

"Oh! I say JC99, I would just like to mention that I think you could be incorrect (to my mind that is), however please don't take offence at what I said, wouldn't want to hurt your feelings, so please forget I said anything at all, or that I am even alive".

Nah! I don't think so ~ I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc.

You can pass an opinion on a public foum - that does not exclude you from being pulled up on a point or to be critisised.

Mind you though, I don't think that's what @MAGPIES1963 meant, and I highly rate @JC99 comments here, so just take it with a grain of salt and lets all get along

Do you what's going on here....

I'm saying (as above) "I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc."

I've taken those comments on board - I do take exception to someone else telling me to " Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?"

The point is : @JC99 and @MAGPIES1963 can take it with a grain of salt as I did. I also don't care what day it was.

Russ ...hugz from Happy ...thought you'd enjoy that

 

[clontarfkid]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds. Just watch

That’s not true . Liddle played like 15 minutes a game at most . We let in most of our points around the ruck when grant and Mikalele were standing next to Garner benji and BJ.
Whether that’s because guys were burnt out , couldn’t tackle or were just old or fat , whatever . That has nothing to do with Liddle .

No mate, I’m talking about the 3 mid-season games where Liddle played 80 almost every week whilst Harry was missing. We went from conceding 17 average points per game with Harry, to 33 with Liddle

@gazlord95 showed you what you’re saying is not true . He played 2 games , 1 we beat the dogs , the other for walloped by the roosters . Like I said , it was also around the time we were playing injured middles . Reserve graders and guys like Packer . To even remotely imply it was Liddle just shows how ridiculous you’re perception is .
I’m not saying he’s an amazing defender , but he did just come back from a knee reco , and I thought he played pretty well.
Grant was not good the last 10 weeks . He just wasn’t . And that’s understandable , it’s his first year in first grade . His defence wasn’t good either . But I don’t blame him. The reality is , We went backwards every time Mikalele and who ever was his opposite for that game came on .
People point to missed tackle efficiency, but I would love to see how many tries were scored through his gap whilst he was on .

I’m sorry , I don’t think the gap between Liddle and grant is that great . What we saw last year is 1 guy on the positive side of his form guide and another on the negative .

I have faith in Liddle and I rate him . I see Damien Cook , big time in him . Even to the point he hasn’t come on until his mid twenties .

Really hard to tell Strongee ...when Liddle did play he was coming off the back of Grant on most occasions .....


Grant is the 3rd / 4th best best hooker in the comp ...how Hodgson will come back from a 2nd knee injury will be interesting


Where Liddle rates as a hooker is a real doozy ..how can you compare with so little game time and his previous injuries .....thats the big question ...at least a $63995 question

I agree! I think though of all the gambles this club has done on the past, he would be a safe one.

Even if he wasnt, we spent alot of damn money on his rehab and bringing him back in. To drop or disregard him at this point would just be an absolute waste of time and effort tbh. I'd give him a crack for 5-6 games at the start of next season.

And that the next issue Gaz ...if Liddle does have issues again ...where do we draw that line in the sand ...much the same issue we have with Brooks ...when do you write off the investment

Its a function of the type and seriousness of the injury...and most importantly how long hes contracted for...and what else is available on the market.
In liddles case rite now,with his fragile history,one big one and hes Moltzen!
Gotta know when to roll em,know when to hold em...

 

[weststigerman]

Surprised a lot of people hate the idea of signing McInnes. He's a good player and better than what we currently have in hooker or lock.

The reported 700k sounds a little high to me, but in saying that he's a fringe origin player, provides leadership where we lack outside of Tamou, and if Simpkin or Liddle become stars next year, he can also play lock very well.

 

[BZN]

Doesnt matter how he spells it...for mine as a no 9(and thats his main role) hes behind Smith/Smith/Harry/Hodgson/korosau/Friend/Cook and Radke..which makes him a mid ranked hooker.
Were not going to improve paying big $$ for honest toilers
Mybe 2.0
Really hope one of Liddle or Simpkins becomes ABOVE average in 2021,plus weve got Walters floating around from May
Weve got no back up in the halves,and a makeshift fullback

How many top 10 players do we have in our team right now? He’s a top 10 hooker. I’d argue he’s better than Friend and Hodgson too. Maybe not worth $700k, but he’s better than average that’s for sure.

You are delusional if you think Josh Hodgson is not as good as McInnes?

Hodgson has been carrying Canberra on his back for a few years. A major blow to their 2020 hopes when he was injured. McInnes is good but is not in the same class.

Blimey Charlie Russell I just dunno...here it is Christmas/Boxing Day :christmas_tree: :cherries: :church: :mother_christmas: ...a time of the year that should be about Peace and Love for our fellow man/woman and your telling @JC99 he's delusional.
Isn't he entitled to have his say without being told that?
Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?
Anyway...I hope you had a happy :christmas_tree: :mother_christmas: Christmas Day, but it doesnt seem like you did and I'm disappointed :disappointed: for you if that's the case .

You berate me saying delusional and then tell me to pull my head in - double standards there I think Maggie.

What did you want me to say? - probably nothing.

Presume you think that people should have their say and nobody should say anything in return or maybe something like...

"Oh! I say JC99, I would just like to mention that I think you could be incorrect (to my mind that is), however please don't take offence at what I said, wouldn't want to hurt your feelings, so please forget I said anything at all, or that I am even alive".

Nah! I don't think so ~ I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc.

You can pass an opinion on a public foum - that does not exclude you from being pulled up on a point or to be critisised.

[/QUOTE]

Yuh know, at no time did I 'tell' you to pull your head in as you claimed.
I 'asked' (note the ? at the end of that particular sentence) "is it possible to pull your head in" and that 'pull your head in' would be considered by most to just be a throw-away and humorous line. It is to me anyway.
Whereas using the word delusional, is an attack on someone's personality or state of mind.
Anyway...if it helps to make you feel better, I'll second Happy's cuddle to you.
And to hopefully help you to feel better still, I wish you a Very Happy, Safe and Prosperous 2021.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds. Just watch

That’s not true . Liddle played like 15 minutes a game at most . We let in most of our points around the ruck when grant and Mikalele were standing next to Garner benji and BJ.
Whether that’s because guys were burnt out , couldn’t tackle or were just old or fat , whatever . That has nothing to do with Liddle .

No mate, I’m talking about the 3 mid-season games where Liddle played 80 almost every week whilst Harry was missing. We went from conceding 17 average points per game with Harry, to 33 with Liddle

@gazlord95 showed you what you’re saying is not true . He played 2 games , 1 we beat the dogs , the other for walloped by the roosters . Like I said , it was also around the time we were playing injured middles . Reserve graders and guys like Packer . To even remotely imply it was Liddle just shows how ridiculous you’re perception is .
I’m not saying he’s an amazing defender , but he did just come back from a knee reco , and I thought he played pretty well.
Grant was not good the last 10 weeks . He just wasn’t . And that’s understandable , it’s his first year in first grade . His defence wasn’t good either . But I don’t blame him. The reality is , We went backwards every time Mikalele and who ever was his opposite for that game came on .
People point to missed tackle efficiency, but I would love to see how many tries were scored through his gap whilst he was on .

I’m sorry , I don’t think the gap between Liddle and grant is that great . What we saw last year is 1 guy on the positive side of his form guide and another on the negative .

I have faith in Liddle and I rate him . I see Damien Cook , big time in him . Even to the point he hasn’t come on until his mid twenties .

Really hard to tell Strongee ...when Liddle did play he was coming off the back of Grant on most occasions .....


Grant is the 3rd / 4th best best hooker in the comp ...how Hodgson will come back from a 2nd knee injury will be interesting


Where Liddle rates as a hooker is a real doozy ..how can you compare with so little game time and his previous injuries .....thats the big question ...at least a $63995 question

It’s not this year I’m really comparing . This year I looked at his service , and deception , and really noticed how he puts his forwards onto the ball , and jinks and deception .
Previous years I’ve noticed how he can get out and attack lazy defenders with ease .
But your right , I guess I’m banking on him being able to combine the 2 and not get injured .

 

[JC99]

kind of don't want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin's development

McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin

I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .

??? we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds. Just watch

That’s not true . Liddle played like 15 minutes a game at most . We let in most of our points around the ruck when grant and Mikalele were standing next to Garner benji and BJ.
Whether that’s because guys were burnt out , couldn’t tackle or were just old or fat , whatever . That has nothing to do with Liddle .

No mate, I’m talking about the 3 mid-season games where Liddle played 80 almost every week whilst Harry was missing. We went from conceding 17 average points per game with Harry, to 33 with Liddle

@gazlord95 showed you what you’re saying is not true . He played 2 games , 1 we beat the dogs , the other for walloped by the roosters . Like I said , it was also around the time we were playing injured middles . Reserve graders and guys like Packer . To even remotely imply it was Liddle just shows how ridiculous you’re perception is .
I’m not saying he’s an amazing defender , but he did just come back from a knee reco , and I thought he played pretty well.
Grant was not good the last 10 weeks . He just wasn’t . And that’s understandable , it’s his first year in first grade . His defence wasn’t good either . But I don’t blame him. The reality is , We went backwards every time Mikalele and who ever was his opposite for that game came on .
People point to missed tackle efficiency, but I would love to see how many tries were scored through his gap whilst he was on .

I’m sorry , I don’t think the gap between Liddle and grant is that great . What we saw last year is 1 guy on the positive side of his form guide and another on the negative .

I have faith in Liddle and I rate him . I see Damien Cook , big time in him . Even to the point he hasn’t come on until his mid twenties .

Really hard to tell Strongee ...when Liddle did play he was coming off the back of Grant on most occasions .....


Grant is the 3rd / 4th best best hooker in the comp ...how Hodgson will come back from a 2nd knee injury will be interesting


Where Liddle rates as a hooker is a real doozy ..how can you compare with so little game time and his previous injuries .....thats the big question ...at least a $63995 question

It’s not this year I’m really comparing . This year I looked at his service , and deception , and really noticed how he puts his forwards onto the ball , and jinks and deception .
Previous years I’ve noticed how he can get out and attack lazy defenders with ease .
But your right , I guess I’m banking on him being able to combine the 2 and not get injured .

He’s look solid. Yet to standout for me, but hasn’t been poor either. Only way he’s gonna improve is consistent games which he’s never had unfortunately

 

[TrueTiger]

I think McInnes is a very good footballer and would be very useful to the squad and club...we all have differing opinions in regards to players,their style and their worth,however we should always keep personal choices away from the true input a player like McInnes can have overall...its what he can bring to the team that can give us the edge over other strong sides...
I honestly think that if Jacob Liddle stays injury free he will be the dynamic we need to get the team going forward consistently and add the stability we need around the ruck area and help shore up the middle in pressure situations...I will bank on him having a very solid 2021 and beyond as he gets more and more experience with the 80 minute playing time we need him to have...

 

[Russell]

Doesnt matter how he spells it...for mine as a no 9(and thats his main role) hes behind Smith/Smith/Harry/Hodgson/korosau/Friend/Cook and Radke..which makes him a mid ranked hooker.
Were not going to improve paying big $$ for honest toilers
Mybe 2.0
Really hope one of Liddle or Simpkins becomes ABOVE average in 2021,plus weve got Walters floating around from May
Weve got no back up in the halves,and a makeshift fullback

How many top 10 players do we have in our team right now? He’s a top 10 hooker. I’d argue he’s better than Friend and Hodgson too. Maybe not worth $700k, but he’s better than average that’s for sure.

You are delusional if you think Josh Hodgson is not as good as McInnes?

Hodgson has been carrying Canberra on his back for a few years. A major blow to their 2020 hopes when he was injured. McInnes is good but is not in the same class.

Blimey Charlie Russell I just dunno...here it is Christmas/Boxing Day :christmas_tree: :cherries: :church: :mother_christmas: ...a time of the year that should be about Peace and Love for our fellow man/woman and your telling @JC99 he's delusional.
Isn't he entitled to have his say without being told that?
Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?
Anyway...I hope you had a happy :christmas_tree: :mother_christmas: Christmas Day, but it doesnt seem like you did and I'm disappointed :disappointed: for you if that's the case .

You berate me saying delusional and then tell me to pull my head in - double standards there I think Maggie.

What did you want me to say? - probably nothing.

Presume you think that people should have their say and nobody should say anything in return or maybe something like...

"Oh! I say JC99, I would just like to mention that I think you could be incorrect (to my mind that is), however please don't take offence at what I said, wouldn't want to hurt your feelings, so please forget I said anything at all, or that I am even alive".

Nah! I don't think so ~ I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc.

You can pass an opinion on a public foum - that does not exclude you from being pulled up on a point or to be critisised.

Mind you though, I don't think that's what @MAGPIES1963 meant, and I highly rate @JC99 comments here, so just take it with a grain of salt and lets all get along

Do you what's going on here....

I'm saying (as above) "I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc."

I've taken those comments on board - I do take exception to someone else telling me to " Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?"

The point is : @JC99 and @MAGPIES1963 can take it with a grain of salt as I did. I also don't care what day it was.

That's crap fam, I have personally never seen those 2 write things like that.

But regardless, If anyone has its just not on. This should be a safe space to vent and chill imo :blush: 🙂

EDIT: And as mentioned above, I will always be super keen to banter in good spirit if your ever down. + followed

NB: I am not saying those two said those things - let's be clear on that.

I am surprised Maggie told me to "Pull my head in" though - totally out of character.

 

[Russell]

Doesnt matter how he spells it...for mine as a no 9(and thats his main role) hes behind Smith/Smith/Harry/Hodgson/korosau/Friend/Cook and Radke..which makes him a mid ranked hooker.
Were not going to improve paying big $$ for honest toilers
Mybe 2.0
Really hope one of Liddle or Simpkins becomes ABOVE average in 2021,plus weve got Walters floating around from May
Weve got no back up in the halves,and a makeshift fullback

How many top 10 players do we have in our team right now? He’s a top 10 hooker. I’d argue he’s better than Friend and Hodgson too. Maybe not worth $700k, but he’s better than average that’s for sure.

You are delusional if you think Josh Hodgson is not as good as McInnes?

Hodgson has been carrying Canberra on his back for a few years. A major blow to their 2020 hopes when he was injured. McInnes is good but is not in the same class.

Blimey Charlie Russell I just dunno...here it is Christmas/Boxing Day :christmas_tree: :cherries: :church: :mother_christmas: ...a time of the year that should be about Peace and Love for our fellow man/woman and your telling @JC99 he's delusional.
Isn't he entitled to have his say without being told that?
Is it possible for you to just pull your head in for one day of the year...at least?
Anyway...I hope you had a happy :christmas_tree: :mother_christmas: Christmas Day, but it doesnt seem like you did and I'm disappointed :disappointed: for you if that's the case .

You berate me saying delusional and then tell me to pull my head in - double standards there I think Maggie.

What did you want me to say? - probably nothing.

Presume you think that people should have their say and nobody should say anything in return or maybe something like...

"Oh! I say JC99, I would just like to mention that I think you could be incorrect (to my mind that is), however please don't take offence at what I said, wouldn't want to hurt your feelings, so please forget I said anything at all, or that I am even alive".

Nah! I don't think so ~ I've been called delusional many times on here, that I write rubbish, I am stupid, I'm a fan boy etc.etc.

You can pass an opinion on a public foum - that does not exclude you from being pulled up on a point or to be critisised.

Yuh know, at no time did I 'tell' you to pull your head in as you claimed.
I 'asked' (note the ? at the end of that particular sentence) "is it possible to pull your head in" and that 'pull your head in' would be considered by most to just be a throw-away and humorous line. It is to me anyway.
Whereas using the word delusional, is an attack on someone's personality or state of mind.
Anyway...if it helps to make you feel better, I'll second Happy's cuddle to you.
And to hopefully help you to feel better still, I wish you a Very Happy, Safe and Prosperous 2021.

How patronising that spiel is.

Thanks anyway.

Edit: Let's move on, shall we?