Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Coastie_Tiger]

Mbye is a decent player that can cover a good range of positions, a bit of a jack of all trades master of none. The only reason he gets spoken about is because he’s on twice the coin he’s worth, that’s hardly his fault our management couldn’t do their jobs. I’d be more than happy if we kept him on the roster on sensible money but that’s not the case. I would even go as far as to say because we are paying him so much we haven’t seen the best of him he himself probably knows deep down he can’t justify his pay packet and causes performance anxiety . He really needs to put up this season drag us into the finals and maybe we can find a club for him up north next season and we all can forget he happened.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The depth chart for any one position is not static . In fact the question of what was the plan prior to AD, was probably the instigation for LM before we got AD. It wasn’t good . If you’re talking now 12-13 months ago , you’re also talking about a squad , that had yet to begin its true transformation into a madge team. The team that has played the last 2 years for madge , outside of a few buys (and that Jennings buy we won’t talk about anymore ) , was another coaches grand plan. In fact , I’d be really surprised if our depth chart isn’t dramatically different in 18 months.

 

[clontarfkid]

Always get the impression hes not giving 110%...coasting

No disrespect but your perception comes from the grandstand or lounge room. Maguire is next to him every minute of the day and made him captain. From this I can only conclude that the general fan perception is very wrong

Too true..but over 3 or 4 seasons watching Mybe from my loungeroom you get a reasonable perspective on who is having a red hot go(eg Nofa),and who isnt...I cld be wrong
Madge of course has the final(and ONLY)say....and my observation is that after forking out $800k or so annually, without any quality alternatives in the midfield,up to now Madge had to pick Mbye.
As for the captaincy,the team is almost totally devoid of "leaders"(which is wht we bought a 31 yo prop),and the only alternative to be captain in 2020 was Benji...and the coach called that one right.There was really nobody else who ran close in leadership qualities to being a captain..except ...well..Harry...!!!
If we get Lawrie early as predicted in media today,I honestly cant see a run on spot for Mbye in 2021...between Joey,JTJ and Momo,weve got the centre position covered ,and we bought Lawrie to play fullback NRL (Im hoping)
Mbye becomes no 14..back up hooker/half/whatever
Mite be the boot up the backside Mbye has needed for some time...?

I don’t discount anyone’s ability to judge a player. Everyone is entitled to as well. I’m just saying I think he’s better than he’s given credit for, as exemplified by Madge making him captain.
In regards to captain - Madge could have called on Benji, Lawrence, noffa, Reynolds, packer, Taylor - all very experienced first graders. But he didn’t. Why?

Thats indeed our list of sufficiently experienced players who cld/shld have been eligible for captain,but encapsulating our problem is the fact that none of them except Mbye was any certainty of being selected each week ....
..on top of that some above just dont have captaincy in them
So for mine,Mbye was the "accidental" captain who had insignicant onfield leadership,one of many missing ingredients last season,and thats why Madge hired a 31 yo prop to do the job in 2021
Ill be surprised if Mybe makes the run on team this year,and may well do a Jrey and be out of the club this time next year(wont be cheap tho)

 

[JC99]

Always get the impression hes not giving 110%...coasting

No disrespect but your perception comes from the grandstand or lounge room. Maguire is next to him every minute of the day and made him captain. From this I can only conclude that the general fan perception is very wrong

Too true..but over 3 or 4 seasons watching Mybe from my loungeroom you get a reasonable perspective on who is having a red hot go(eg Nofa),and who isnt...I cld be wrong
Madge of course has the final(and ONLY)say....and my observation is that after forking out $800k or so annually, without any quality alternatives in the midfield,up to now Madge had to pick Mbye.
As for the captaincy,the team is almost totally devoid of "leaders"(which is wht we bought a 31 yo prop),and the only alternative to be captain in 2020 was Benji...and the coach called that one right.There was really nobody else who ran close in leadership qualities to being a captain..except ...well..Harry...!!!
If we get Lawrie early as predicted in media today,I honestly cant see a run on spot for Mbye in 2021...between Joey,JTJ and Momo,weve got the centre position covered ,and we bought Lawrie to play fullback NRL (Im hoping)
Mbye becomes no 14..back up hooker/half/whatever
Mite be the boot up the backside Mbye has needed for some time...?

I don’t discount anyone’s ability to judge a player. Everyone is entitled to as well. I’m just saying I think he’s better than he’s given credit for, as exemplified by Madge making him captain.
In regards to captain - Madge could have called on Benji, Lawrence, noffa, Reynolds, packer, Taylor - all very experienced first graders. But he didn’t. Why?

Thats indeed our list of sufficiently experienced players who cld/shld have been eligible for captain,but encapsulating our problem is the fact that none of them except Mbye was any certainty of being selected each week ....
..on top of that some above just dont have captaincy in them
So for mine,Mbye was the "accidental" captain who had insignicant onfield leadership,one of many missing ingredients last season,and thats why Madge hired a 31 yo prop to do the job in 2021
Ill be surprised if Mybe makes the run on team this year,and may well do a Jrey and be out of the club this time next year(wont be cheap tho)

Until we get Laurie over, Mbye will be starting. Even then it will take Laurie time to be ready for the spot.

 

[balmain boy]

Mbye’s only position in this team is 14.. this is a very important position as a game progresses do not underestimate the value he will be in that position!

I disagree completely.

Mbye would be a complete waste at 14 and our squad currently cannot afford to have him there. If we sign a fullback for 2021 Mbye goes straight to number 18. That's his position moving forwards. If there's an injury he can fill in for a number of positions but he did be nowhere near the 17.

If he's on the bench he's most likely only ever going to play hooker. And he's our 4th best hooker. He doesn't get a spot ahead of either Liddle or Simpkins.

Having your most expensive player not even making your 17 is disgraceful, and hopefully helps him move on to save face.

This is course is contingent on signing a starting fullback

 

[TigerWest]

Mbye’s only position in this team is 14.. this is a very important position as a game progresses do not underestimate the value he will be in that position!

I disagree completely.

Mbye would be a complete waste at 14 and our squad currently cannot afford to have him there. If we sign a fullback for 2021 Mbye goes straight to number 18. That's his position moving forwards. If there's an injury he can fill in for a number of positions but he did be nowhere near the 17.

If he's on the bench he's most likely only ever going to play hooker. And he's our 4th best hooker. He doesn't get a spot ahead of either Liddle or Simpkins.

Having your most expensive player not even making your 17 is disgraceful, and hopefully helps him move on to save face.

This is course is contingent on signing a starting fullback

I’m on the Mbye (as our 14 bandwagon), because he can cover so many positions, however we still don’t really know how Laurie will go yet? Though I think he will be a good one.

 

[Russell]

Mbye’s only position in this team is 14.. this is a very important position as a game progresses do not underestimate the value he will be in that position!

agreed but regardless, M'Bye deserves to start the season at 1 even if Laurie turns up at the club for 2021. he's been here far longer and has every right to start the year in an established position.

Disagree - he has not earnt the right to anything - especially the dough he is on, the captaincy or a position in the 13. imo of course

 

[Russell]

Maybe Mybe will do a Kurt Gurley and captain in no. 14 off the bench

Your a funny guy Sully.........

 

[Russell]

Wow, we're going back to 2018 to find a decent Mbye game. Says it all.

He had a couple last year. Again, he rarely stands out and ain’t worth his money but he can have some good games.

A couple of good games a year for 800k + is nowhere near good enough.

Brooks has more than that for 600k and gets crucified.

Not fair, Not fair.

 

[JC99]

Wow, we're going back to 2018 to find a decent Mbye game. Says it all.

He had a couple last year. Again, he rarely stands out and ain’t worth his money but he can have some good games.

A couple of good games a year for 800k + is nowhere near good enough.

Brooks has more than that for 600k and gets crucified.

Not fair, Not fair.

Never said it was, I said multiple times he’s not worth the money he’s on (Ivan’s fault), just proving he’s not literally incapable of a bad game like he thinks

 

[hank37w]

Seriously, I don't dislike the 'bop. In fact I hope he can keep his hands clean to handshake, knuckle-bomb and sign with the Boncos.

And who would you play at fullback?



I've stated before, I don't think he's a bad player, but his performances are not commensurate with his price tag.
He is a capable player whose hands under a high ball have let him, and the team, down.
He will do until we organise a better option at the back.
The comment I made was tongue in cheek.
Having said that, how do we know if one of our young-uns couldn't do a similar or better job if given the chance? But his all-round experience is certainly an advantage at this stage in proceedings.

I pretty much agree with most of this post, none of our young player could do a better job because none of them a fullbacks. Kepaoa could maybe transition to fullback in the future but it is too much to put on him this early.



The joke was really about regaining some salary-cap space, thats all.

I get it, I'm happy for him to go at the end of the year. We need him this year.



True, gets you thinking though about how we could leave such an important position with no contingency plan.

Really not all that different to the goal kicking situation that we've had for a long time.

Hopefully between Momo and Doueihi we may finally solve that one this year, but still not 100% confident about that.

 

[weststigerman]

Mbye’s only position in this team is 14.. this is a very important position as a game progresses do not underestimate the value he will be in that position!

I disagree completely.

Mbye would be a complete waste at 14 and our squad currently cannot afford to have him there. If we sign a fullback for 2021 Mbye goes straight to number 18. That's his position moving forwards. If there's an injury he can fill in for a number of positions but he did be nowhere near the 17.

If he's on the bench he's most likely only ever going to play hooker. And he's our 4th best hooker. He doesn't get a spot ahead of either Liddle or Simpkins.

Having your most expensive player not even making your 17 is disgraceful, and hopefully helps him move on to save face.

This is course is contingent on signing a starting fullback

Whilst I agree with your Mbye hooker assessment, I disagree he'd be only playing hooker.

Numerous times last year we had big reshuffles when someone gets injured or goes off for HIA. Look at our last game, Benji goes down, AD to 5/8, Nofa to fullback, Talau to wing and I think Chee-Kam to centre.

I even remember Brooks playing centre at one point due to injuries there.

Would be nice to have someone of Mbye's quality come in if someone in our backline goes down. Yes he's a very expensive benchie, but not playing him is even worse, and I'd argue he still improves our team in the top 17.

 

[Russell]

Don't think Mbye and quality should be used in the same sentence myself.

You would play him at 14 on sufferance only - we have better players in the positions he covers.
Momo at centre, Simpkins at DH, Talau at 5/8. By default at this stage he is the best FB until Laurie gets here.

Unfortunately he is the only one that can cover all 4 spots, not better individually but better as a package. That's not great but the best we can do - heaven help us.

 

[sleeve]

With 8 and maybe more new players in the squad,it wil bear very little resemblance to last year,.The impact they,. and the new training staff have on the team will be immense.I expect goalkicking would have also been a priority.By mid year i expect many changes to the predicted starting side.Many players will be nervous about their positions.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

even if Laurie comes over this year he probably will not be ready for round 1 at fb anyway. Mmbye at fb is not that bad at least for the start of the year anyway

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

With 8 and maybe more new players in the squad,it wil bear very little resemblance to last year,.The impact they,. and the new training staff have on the team will be immense.I expect goalkicking would have also been a priority.By mid year i expect many changes to the predicted starting side.Many players will be nervous about their positions.

100% if Liddle doesn't hit the ground running at start of the year Simpkin will likely be snapping at his heels for the spot
AMcInnes or B Smith changes everything as they can start at 9 and shift to lock

 

[Cairnstigers]

With 8 and maybe more new players in the squad,it wil bear very little resemblance to last year,.The impact they,. and the new training staff have on the team will be immense.I expect goalkicking would have also been a priority.By mid year i expect many changes to the predicted starting side.Many players will be nervous about their positions.

Back with the eggshells

 

[Leichardt61]

With 8 and maybe more new players in the squad,it wil bear very little resemblance to last year,.The impact they,. and the new training staff have on the team will be immense.I expect goalkicking would have also been a priority.By mid year i expect many changes to the predicted starting side.Many players will be nervous about their positions.

Back with the eggshells

Difference between players pushing each other for positions and eggshells imo.

 

[sleeve]

At this stage,with new players and staff,anything could happen.But in the whole side the only one who is certain of his position is BROOKS.

 

[Guest]

At this stage,with new players and staff,anything could happen.But in the whole side the only one who is certain of his position is BROOKS.

You could add a few others to that list - Tamou, Lucy, Nofo...