Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[weststigers]

Imagine if we don't release him this year and he gets injured, we might still have him on our roster in 2022.

Imagine if Doueihi gets injured and we've released Mbye.

Imagine if we don't release Mbye and are stuck with with all next year...

Imagine if we release Mbye and then don’t sign anyone for next year anyway.

Chris Sandow is available toast

 

[weststigers]

Imagine if we don't release him this year and he gets injured, we might still have him on our roster in 2022.

Imagine if Doueihi gets injured and we've released Mbye.

Imagine if we don't release Mbye and are stuck with with all next year...

Imagine if we release Mbye and then don’t sign anyone for next year anyway.

Plus what are you talking about...we've signed Hastings. Locked in replacement.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Imagine if we don't release him this year and he gets injured, we might still have him on our roster in 2022.

Imagine if Doueihi gets injured and we've released Mbye.

Imagine if we don't release Mbye and are stuck with with all next year...

Imagine if we release Mbye and then don’t sign anyone for next year anyway.

Plus what are you talking about...we've signed Hastings. Locked in replacement.

And he could be heaps better than Mbye, or heaps worse. We don’t know yet. What we do know is we’ve got a heap of money to spend and we don’t seem to be targeting anyone except a washed up Gagai and a super league centre.

 

[2041]

It would also be as crazy as not swapping Talau for JAC

Even that can be justified on the basis of relative salaries. If JAC is ok value at $600k and Talau is a bargain at $200k you're arguably better off with the latter.

Keeping a bench utility on $900k a year that you've been shopping round for months because you think (almost certainly wrongly, and on the basis of the outcome of one game) that he might help you scramble up to eighth would be about the worst roster move in the history of the comp.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It would also be as crazy as not swapping Talau for JAC

Even that can be justified on the basis of relative salaries. If JAC is ok value at $600k and Talau is a bargain at $200k you're arguably better off with the latter.

Keeping a bench utility on $900k a year that you've been shopping round for months because you think (almost certainly wrongly, and on the basis of the outcome of one game) that he might help you scramble up to eighth would be about the worst roster move in the history of the comp.

I would much prefer JAC at $600k than Talau at $200k

 

[sleeve]

Some big calls have to be made on who we keep, and who we let go. Are the following really going to take us forward?
Mbye-- TT--- jtj -- JL--- Cini either are not 1st gde standard or inconsistent. If we percervere with average we will not improve.

 

[2041]

And he could be heaps better than Mbye, or heaps worse. We don’t know yet. What we do know is we’ve got a heap of money to spend and we don’t seem to be targeting anyone except a washed up Gagai and a super league centre.

And that is literally the thinking that brought us Tigers legends Russell Packer, Ben Matulino, Chris McQueen, Josh Reynolds and Moses Mbye. Quick, we've got money! Spend it now on whoever wants to take it off us or it'll disappear somehow!

 

[2041]

It would also be as crazy as not swapping Talau for JAC

Even that can be justified on the basis of relative salaries. If JAC is ok value at $600k and Talau is a bargain at $200k you're arguably better off with the latter.

Keeping a bench utility on $900k a year that you've been shopping round for months because you think (almost certainly wrongly, and on the basis of the outcome of one game) that he might help you scramble up to eighth would be about the worst roster move in the history of the comp.

I would much prefer JAC at $600k than Talau at $200k

Sure, I probably would too. I'm saying it's a less obviously stupid decision than keeping Mybe on $900k

 

[2041]

Some big calls have to be made on who we keep, and who we let go. Are the following really going to take us forward?
Mbye-- TT--- jtj -- JL--- Cini either are not 1st gde standard or inconsistent. If we percervere with average we will not improve.

But these five players are not the same.

Mbye is clearly too expensive - even if he is an ok first grade player he is absolutely killing a salary cap at $900k a year. That's the kind of contract you should only be giving to a nailed on star player; it's totally unsustainable for a utility. He has to go as soon as possible for any reasonable offer.

Roberts was a gamble that hasn't paid off. He's no longer first grade standard and he'll be gone at end of season if not before, but at least he's cheap.

Leilua was a gamble that also didn't pay off, though arguably it wasn't as bad as some have made it out to be. He's not on vast money and he's been ok at times, but when he's bad he's unplayable and presumably will be gone at season end.

Talau and Cini are young with room to improve, and more importantly they are CHEAP. All they really cost is a roster spot and it's not as if we have guys breaking down the door to be 29th and 30th man on our list. There's absolutely no reason to get rid of either of them unless we're absolutely convinced they are not up to standard.

 

[AJ1]

Imagine if we don't release him this year and he gets injured, we might still have him on our roster in 2022.

Imagine if Doueihi gets injured and we've released Mbye.

Yeah we might finish 15th instead of 12th

 

[sleeve]

Some big calls have to be made on who we keep, and who we let go. Are the following really going to take us forward?
Mbye-- TT--- jtj -- JL--- Cini either are not 1st gde standard or inconsistent. If we percervere with average we will not improve.

But these five players are not the same.

Mbye is clearly too expensive - even if he is an ok first grade player he is absolutely killing a salary cap at $900k a year. That's the kind of contract you should only be giving to a nailed on star player; it's totally unsustainable for a utility. He has to go as soon as possible for any reasonable offer.

Roberts was a gamble that hasn't paid off. He's no longer first grade standard and he'll be gone at end of season if not before, but at least he's cheap.

Leilua was a gamble that also didn't pay off, though arguably it wasn't as bad as some have made it out to be. He's not on vast money and he's been ok at times, but when he's bad he's unplayable and presumably will be gone at season end.

Talau and Cini are young with room to improve, and more importantly they are CHEAP. All they really cost is a roster spot and it's not as if we have guys breaking down the door to be 29th and 30th man on our list. There's absolutely no reason to get rid of either of them unless we're absolutely convinced they are not up to standard.

I think both TT and Cini do not have the speed required to play in the backline. Slow players are soon found out by opposing coaches.

 

[carltonleach]

It would also be as crazy as not swapping Talau for JAC

Even that can be justified on the basis of relative salaries. If JAC is ok value at $600k and Talau is a bargain at $200k you're arguably better off with the latter.

Keeping a bench utility on $900k a year that you've been shopping round for months because you think (almost certainly wrongly, and on the basis of the outcome of one game) that he might help you scramble up to eighth would be about the worst roster move in the history of the comp.

I would much prefer JAC at $600k than Talau at $200k

I’d much prefer talau tbh, I think he can cover wing centre and if really desperate he could play in the second row. With JAC he can play wing but wanted fullback and that’s it. Talau offers more IMO. I think the biggest thing with JAC is he offers a big personality which the club is really missing, it seems stupid to say but a big personality can really make a team gel and pick players up when things aren’t going the way they want them too

 

[avocadoontoast]

It would also be as crazy as not swapping Talau for JAC

Even that can be justified on the basis of relative salaries. If JAC is ok value at $600k and Talau is a bargain at $200k you're arguably better off with the latter.

Keeping a bench utility on $900k a year that you've been shopping round for months because you think (almost certainly wrongly, and on the basis of the outcome of one game) that he might help you scramble up to eighth would be about the worst roster move in the history of the comp.

I would much prefer JAC at $600k than Talau at $200k

I’d much prefer talau tbh, I think he can cover wing centre and if really desperate he could play in the second row. With JAC he can play wing but wanted fullback and that’s it. Talau offers more IMO. I think the biggest thing with JAC is he offers a big personality which the club is really missing, it seems stupid to say but a big personality can really make a team gel and pick players up when things aren’t going the way they want them too

Fair enough. I think JAC is the best winger in the comp. At this stage I think Talau is an average centre and a below average winger.

 

[carltonleach]

It would also be as crazy as not swapping Talau for JAC

Even that can be justified on the basis of relative salaries. If JAC is ok value at $600k and Talau is a bargain at $200k you're arguably better off with the latter.

Keeping a bench utility on $900k a year that you've been shopping round for months because you think (almost certainly wrongly, and on the basis of the outcome of one game) that he might help you scramble up to eighth would be about the worst roster move in the history of the comp.

I would much prefer JAC at $600k than Talau at $200k

I’d much prefer talau tbh, I think he can cover wing centre and if really desperate he could play in the second row. With JAC he can play wing but wanted fullback and that’s it. Talau offers more IMO. I think the biggest thing with JAC is he offers a big personality which the club is really missing, it seems stupid to say but a big personality can really make a team gel and pick players up when things aren’t going the way they want them too

Fair enough. I think JAC is the best winger in the comp. At this stage I think Talau is an average centre and a below average winger.

100% agree JAC is the best winger in the comp mate.

 

[2041]

Some big calls have to be made on who we keep, and who we let go. Are the following really going to take us forward?
Mbye-- TT--- jtj -- JL--- Cini either are not 1st gde standard or inconsistent. If we percervere with average we will not improve.

But these five players are not the same.

Mbye is clearly too expensive - even if he is an ok first grade player he is absolutely killing a salary cap at $900k a year. That's the kind of contract you should only be giving to a nailed on star player; it's totally unsustainable for a utility. He has to go as soon as possible for any reasonable offer.

Roberts was a gamble that hasn't paid off. He's no longer first grade standard and he'll be gone at end of season if not before, but at least he's cheap.

Leilua was a gamble that also didn't pay off, though arguably it wasn't as bad as some have made it out to be. He's not on vast money and he's been ok at times, but when he's bad he's unplayable and presumably will be gone at season end.

Talau and Cini are young with room to improve, and more importantly they are CHEAP. All they really cost is a roster spot and it's not as if we have guys breaking down the door to be 29th and 30th man on our list. There's absolutely no reason to get rid of either of them unless we're absolutely convinced they are not up to standard.

I think both TT and Cini do not have the speed required to play in the backline. Slow players are soon found out by opposing coaches.

That's fine mate, you're entitled to think that. It doesn't contradict my point, though, which is that keeping the pair of them long enough to find out whether they've got it doesn't really cost us anything unless we literally have so many players in need of first grade roster spots that we can't fit them all in.

 

[jrtiger]

It would also be as crazy as not swapping Talau for JAC

Even that can be justified on the basis of relative salaries. If JAC is ok value at $600k and Talau is a bargain at $200k you're arguably better off with the latter.

Keeping a bench utility on $900k a year that you've been shopping round for months because you think (almost certainly wrongly, and on the basis of the outcome of one game) that he might help you scramble up to eighth would be about the worst roster move in the history of the comp.

I would much prefer JAC at $600k than Talau at $200k

I’d much prefer talau tbh, I think he can cover wing centre and if really desperate he could play in the second row. With JAC he can play wing but wanted fullback and that’s it. Talau offers more IMO. I think the biggest thing with JAC is he offers a big personality which the club is really missing, it seems stupid to say but a big personality can really make a team gel and pick players up when things aren’t going the way they want them too

Fair enough. I think JAC is the best winger in the comp. At this stage I think Talau is an average centre and a below average winger.

I'm beginning to worry about Talau as a long term prospect. There's been the odd glimpse but he hasn't done anything where I've been taken aback by his abilities. For a player Marshall said was the best prospect he's seen since Tedesco he hasn't exactly delivered.

 

[voice_of_reason]

Imagine if we don't release him this year and he gets injured, we might still have him on our roster in 2022.

Imagine if Doueihi gets injured and we've released Mbye.

Imagine if we don't release Mbye and are stuck with with all next year...

We'd have a player over which won't effect 2022. If we release him and we need him then 2022 is gone as well - see the difference?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Tommy Talau has been forced to fill in on the wing due to lack of wingers. Despite that when asked to finish he does, as he did against the Knights. We know right centre is his position but until one or two wingers are promoted he'll have to do his best. I don't believe he deserves the criticism he gets on the forum.

 

[earl]

We are obviously still rebuilding this year and we know Mbye is not in the long term plans. It would be madness not to let him go if someone wants to take him. It would also be as crazy as not swapping Talau for JAC

We need to be smart on this decision. If we let him go and pay him 100k next year we should let him go. If we are paying him 400k to play elsewhere we should retain him.

We want to get rid of him but he isn't a complete passenger to us. If we get a good deal though we should jump at it.

 

[2005magic]

Tommy Talau has been forced to fill in on the wing due to lack of wingers. Despite that when asked to finish he does, as he did against the Knights. We know right centre is his position but until one or two wingers are promoted he'll have to do his best. I don't believe he deserves the criticism he gets on the forum.

I think Talau is becoming another Momorovski. Able to fill gaps in the backline but contesting for the spot they prefer and perform best in as centre. No the flashest but he can do the job asked of him and be pretty solid. As long as the money and taking a spot isnt an issue there is no reason to want him out.

In the end we traded Momo - not a bad player and useful, for another player we needed more to fill a position we needed more. That may end up happening with Talau but no reason to rush it and he also has time to mature more and gain experience. Nothing wrong with that surely.

Similarly I would right Cini off at this stage either. It takes time to settle. Nothing wrong with a workhorse winger at one end, you can have a flashy one other end.