Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371933) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371819) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371792) said:
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371775) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371692) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371423) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371413) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371411) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371408) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371405) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371400) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371397) said:
@izotope said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371395) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371386) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371383) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371381) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371379) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371377) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371375) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371374) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371369) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371362) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371349) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371295) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371286) said:
@tigger19 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371278) said:
Bulldogs offered more money for Burton plus had the player coach connection, my concerns about Madge are his team selections and failure to improve the team in the areas that need it,

* Choosing Leilua and Roberts as starting centres over Momirovski who would of been the smarter choice

* Nofoaluma re-signing (4years) who has always had defensive issues

* Team selections and use of the bench often not making sense

* Releasing Thompson who in hindsight is a better winger than any other player here

Every player you mentioned is pretty ordinary though. Switch the names around and I reckon we're still at the same place.

None of the players are game changers, Joey and Roberts at least had the potential to be and that is why they were signed. As an attempt to get an ordinary squad into the finals.

These were shortcuts in recruitment much like the shortcuts we take on the field. These guys can’t hold down a club because they’re not mentally tough. Bellamy sends young players out to work on building sites to find out their character. We should have given BJ an Oporto ‘s apron.

I don't have a problem with either signing as they were short term signings for a specific purpose.

To run 14th? I get your point but it needs to end. Need to start signing winners to teach the kids who can play (supposedly)

The winners said no, these were signings with good upside that could have made a difference if they worked out. If not there was an easy out when we will be in a position to try again with the better targets. The Roberts signing in particular was a good risk to take.

Come on mate he’s copping about 4 grand a week to do nothing. We could have a young kid learning the ropes right now. It was always doomed.

Who Talau? Roberts is on close to minimum wage, we are about $750k under the cap, with 2 spots still vacant and all reserve grade players being eligible for firsts grade. His signing held no one back.

We should have been looking for a young speedster not a washed up hack.

Nothing stopped us from both.

18 year old kid who tore us shreds on Friday has changed clubs recently. Doubt we even knew his name.

Complete nonsense

Madge literally said they knew about him 2 years ago

I've also seen the talent identification system they use, there isn't a player they don't know about.

do they use a dartboard?

I wouldn’t mind guessing they’re putting way too much influence on stats. The good teams sign guys based on character and propensity to work hard. Not many spreadsheets can capture those details.

We don't sign based on stats.

Maybe we should then, whatever we’re doing, change it.

The biggest issue is we are struggling to attract the elite senior talent, we are doing very well with the junior identification. The elite talent issue is very complex to address and I don't know if it is something that will change until we are playing better football.

If we’re going after the best junior talent we certainly missed on Burton, Walker, Walsh, Schuster, Suaalii etc. when our our young guns going to catch fire?

You are correct. We haven't signed any elite juniors, or if we've tried we've failed.

We do have a bunch of talented youngsters who are still very much project players. Tuki is a player with a lot of potential but getting in the pack and still very young he needs a bit more time in NSW cup.

We have 600k to spend this season. That could get us practically any player that's looking for a new home. Origin or anyone for half a season. Or we target the next Burton, Walker, suaalii etc and try get them ASAP.

What is an elite junior? Madden, Talau, Cini etc. all schooboys. Stefano is an elite-level junior prop. Daine Laurie.

For me it’s a guy whose that much better than his age group that you know he’ll succeed among men. It still could fail if his attitude is wrong. Suaalii/Ponga, guys who are household names before they debut. The strong clubs have a mortgage on these kids too.

Korobeite, JAC and Papenhuyzen familiar? We had them and we lost them. We have a chronic shortage of wingers and pace in the NRL team.

Don’t underestimate the value of learning in that Storm system. You get taught about not taking shortcuts (don’t think Victoria has Oporto either)

They got Nandos.
 
@tonza said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370774) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370742) said:
@vince-farrar said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370705) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370628) said:
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370622) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370618) said:
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370616) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370552) said:
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370534) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370532) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370530) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370522) said:
@tigerwest said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370518) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370515) said:
@sleeve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370512) said:
The tigers have the third equaly biggest pack in the comp.'
Many thought the game was moving towards smaller more mobile forwards. With the new crackdown on high tackles, this could change the scenario again. The donkeys big guys steamrolled the chickens last night.

Forum members thoughts ?

Our troubles start without the ball. Our defence has remained consistently appalling.

I thought our middle is OK, its the edge that is the problem?

Definitely the edges

Middle defence is poor but edges are close to the worst I’ve ever seen in NRL.

We need 2 hardcore back rowers .

2 new wingers who can jump and defend and have pace

2 centre’s who can hit hard with pace

And a decent hooker


And people want to blame the coach. Geez.

Show me one winger, centre, second rower or hooker he didn’t sign or re-sign?

And your point is?

It’s his team. If he doesn’t have the coaching ability to get them playing their best, he should walk.

You can only sign what is available at the time. A number of them won’t be here next year, simples.

I doubt he’ll be here next year anyway.

Who do you consider is an upgrade that’s available

Morris and Flanagan are the obvious ones imo but there’s a fair few coaches available that would be good choices

Would take a very close look at Ciraldo

Does Ciraldo have a proven track record coaching in the NRL top grade?
 
@magpies1963 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371947) said:
@cktiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370761) said:
@rugba said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370747) said:
@boonboon said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1369681) said:
Our 3 highest paid players are Moses Mbye, Rus Packer and BJ Leilua plus we have 700k unspent.

Mbye - 800k
Pakcer - 750k
Bj - 600k
Unspent - 700k

2.85m delivering about 300k worth

We Re effectively playing $2.5m under the cap.

Imagine if you could swap that 2.5m top end money for any other 3 players on the comp. We would be top 8 and prob top 4.

It isnt the coaching, it isnt the effort its purley too level talent.

Not 1 player from our club will be in an origin discussion - we are the only club that can say that .

Bj on more than brooks ?

Madge spend on a half back

He must have forgotten Brooks- he is our highest paid player on 900k per season.
Get rid of him and the other 3 and we’re laughing.
PS You can throw in Nofo and Talau as well.

Do we actually have proof that Brooks is on 900k per season?

He read a buzz rothfield article, it must be true
 
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371949) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371933) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371819) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371792) said:
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371775) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371692) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371423) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371413) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371411) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371408) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371405) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371400) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371397) said:
@izotope said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371395) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371386) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371383) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371381) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371379) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371377) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371375) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371374) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371369) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371362) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371349) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371295) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371286) said:
@tigger19 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371278) said:
Bulldogs offered more money for Burton plus had the player coach connection, my concerns about Madge are his team selections and failure to improve the team in the areas that need it,

* Choosing Leilua and Roberts as starting centres over Momirovski who would of been the smarter choice

* Nofoaluma re-signing (4years) who has always had defensive issues

* Team selections and use of the bench often not making sense

* Releasing Thompson who in hindsight is a better winger than any other player here

Every player you mentioned is pretty ordinary though. Switch the names around and I reckon we're still at the same place.

None of the players are game changers, Joey and Roberts at least had the potential to be and that is why they were signed. As an attempt to get an ordinary squad into the finals.

These were shortcuts in recruitment much like the shortcuts we take on the field. These guys can’t hold down a club because they’re not mentally tough. Bellamy sends young players out to work on building sites to find out their character. We should have given BJ an Oporto ‘s apron.

I don't have a problem with either signing as they were short term signings for a specific purpose.

To run 14th? I get your point but it needs to end. Need to start signing winners to teach the kids who can play (supposedly)

The winners said no, these were signings with good upside that could have made a difference if they worked out. If not there was an easy out when we will be in a position to try again with the better targets. The Roberts signing in particular was a good risk to take.

Come on mate he’s copping about 4 grand a week to do nothing. We could have a young kid learning the ropes right now. It was always doomed.

Who Talau? Roberts is on close to minimum wage, we are about $750k under the cap, with 2 spots still vacant and all reserve grade players being eligible for firsts grade. His signing held no one back.

We should have been looking for a young speedster not a washed up hack.

Nothing stopped us from both.

18 year old kid who tore us shreds on Friday has changed clubs recently. Doubt we even knew his name.

Complete nonsense

Madge literally said they knew about him 2 years ago

I've also seen the talent identification system they use, there isn't a player they don't know about.

do they use a dartboard?

I wouldn’t mind guessing they’re putting way too much influence on stats. The good teams sign guys based on character and propensity to work hard. Not many spreadsheets can capture those details.

We don't sign based on stats.

Maybe we should then, whatever we’re doing, change it.

The biggest issue is we are struggling to attract the elite senior talent, we are doing very well with the junior identification. The elite talent issue is very complex to address and I don't know if it is something that will change until we are playing better football.

If we’re going after the best junior talent we certainly missed on Burton, Walker, Walsh, Schuster, Suaalii etc. when our our young guns going to catch fire?

You are correct. We haven't signed any elite juniors, or if we've tried we've failed.

We do have a bunch of talented youngsters who are still very much project players. Tuki is a player with a lot of potential but getting in the pack and still very young he needs a bit more time in NSW cup.

We have 600k to spend this season. That could get us practically any player that's looking for a new home. Origin or anyone for half a season. Or we target the next Burton, Walker, suaalii etc and try get them ASAP.

What is an elite junior? Madden, Talau, Cini etc. all schooboys. Stefano is an elite-level junior prop. Daine Laurie.

For me it’s a guy whose that much better than his age group that you know he’ll succeed among men. It still could fail if his attitude is wrong. Suaalii/Ponga, guys who are household names before they debut. The strong clubs have a mortgage on these kids too.

Korobeite, JAC and Papenhuyzen familiar? We had them and we lost them. We have a chronic shortage of wingers and pace in the NRL team.

Don’t underestimate the value of learning in that Storm system. You get taught about not taking shortcuts (don’t think Victoria has Oporto either)

They got Nandos.

Well that’s the Storms out for big BJ
 
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371956) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371949) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371933) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371819) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371792) said:
@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371775) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371692) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371423) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371413) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371411) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371408) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371405) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371400) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371397) said:
@izotope said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371395) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371386) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371383) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371381) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371379) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371377) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371375) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371374) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371369) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371362) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371349) said:
@cochise said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371295) said:
@gallagher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371286) said:
@tigger19 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371278) said:
Bulldogs offered more money for Burton plus had the player coach connection, my concerns about Madge are his team selections and failure to improve the team in the areas that need it,

* Choosing Leilua and Roberts as starting centres over Momirovski who would of been the smarter choice

* Nofoaluma re-signing (4years) who has always had defensive issues

* Team selections and use of the bench often not making sense

* Releasing Thompson who in hindsight is a better winger than any other player here

Every player you mentioned is pretty ordinary though. Switch the names around and I reckon we're still at the same place.

None of the players are game changers, Joey and Roberts at least had the potential to be and that is why they were signed. As an attempt to get an ordinary squad into the finals.

These were shortcuts in recruitment much like the shortcuts we take on the field. These guys can’t hold down a club because they’re not mentally tough. Bellamy sends young players out to work on building sites to find out their character. We should have given BJ an Oporto ‘s apron.

I don't have a problem with either signing as they were short term signings for a specific purpose.

To run 14th? I get your point but it needs to end. Need to start signing winners to teach the kids who can play (supposedly)

The winners said no, these were signings with good upside that could have made a difference if they worked out. If not there was an easy out when we will be in a position to try again with the better targets. The Roberts signing in particular was a good risk to take.

Come on mate he’s copping about 4 grand a week to do nothing. We could have a young kid learning the ropes right now. It was always doomed.

Who Talau? Roberts is on close to minimum wage, we are about $750k under the cap, with 2 spots still vacant and all reserve grade players being eligible for firsts grade. His signing held no one back.

We should have been looking for a young speedster not a washed up hack.

Nothing stopped us from both.

18 year old kid who tore us shreds on Friday has changed clubs recently. Doubt we even knew his name.

Complete nonsense

Madge literally said they knew about him 2 years ago

I've also seen the talent identification system they use, there isn't a player they don't know about.

do they use a dartboard?

I wouldn’t mind guessing they’re putting way too much influence on stats. The good teams sign guys based on character and propensity to work hard. Not many spreadsheets can capture those details.

We don't sign based on stats.

Maybe we should then, whatever we’re doing, change it.

The biggest issue is we are struggling to attract the elite senior talent, we are doing very well with the junior identification. The elite talent issue is very complex to address and I don't know if it is something that will change until we are playing better football.

If we’re going after the best junior talent we certainly missed on Burton, Walker, Walsh, Schuster, Suaalii etc. when our our young guns going to catch fire?

You are correct. We haven't signed any elite juniors, or if we've tried we've failed.

We do have a bunch of talented youngsters who are still very much project players. Tuki is a player with a lot of potential but getting in the pack and still very young he needs a bit more time in NSW cup.

We have 600k to spend this season. That could get us practically any player that's looking for a new home. Origin or anyone for half a season. Or we target the next Burton, Walker, suaalii etc and try get them ASAP.

What is an elite junior? Madden, Talau, Cini etc. all schooboys. Stefano is an elite-level junior prop. Daine Laurie.

For me it’s a guy whose that much better than his age group that you know he’ll succeed among men. It still could fail if his attitude is wrong. Suaalii/Ponga, guys who are household names before they debut. The strong clubs have a mortgage on these kids too.

Korobeite, JAC and Papenhuyzen familiar? We had them and we lost them. We have a chronic shortage of wingers and pace in the NRL team.

Don’t underestimate the value of learning in that Storm system. You get taught about not taking shortcuts (don’t think Victoria has Oporto either)


They got Nandos.

Well that’s the Storms out for big BJ

Storms.
 
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371903) said:
@mighty_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370725) said:
Reality is there isn’t 2-3 marquee style players on the market.

There are some good players, some rising talent and fringe players up for grabs.

Issue is in a competitive market where a few clubs have cash we either have to take huge risks or we go the slow burn - pay huge overs or buy for price, invest in yet to be known players and grab out of sorts players to hopefully build a competitive squad which may take another 2-3yrs to see the benefits of.

We suck and not alot of current 1st graders would jump from the storm etc to come here unless they got well compensated & even then most pick winning over the cash anyway.

3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

They're the three I want as well
 
@pablox said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371961) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371903) said:
@mighty_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370725) said:
Reality is there isn’t 2-3 marquee style players on the market.

There are some good players, some rising talent and fringe players up for grabs.

Issue is in a competitive market where a few clubs have cash we either have to take huge risks or we go the slow burn - pay huge overs or buy for price, invest in yet to be known players and grab out of sorts players to hopefully build a competitive squad which may take another 2-3yrs to see the benefits of.

We suck and not alot of current 1st graders would jump from the storm etc to come here unless they got well compensated & even then most pick winning over the cash anyway.

3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

They're the three I want as well

Dreams are free mateys
 
@cairnstigers said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370905) said:
@telltails said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370562) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370557) said:
@tigerwest said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370555) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370552) said:
@mike said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370534) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370532) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370530) said:
@jc99 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370522) said:
@tigerwest said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370518) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370515) said:
@sleeve said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370512) said:
The tigers have the third equaly biggest pack in the comp.'
Many thought the game was moving towards smaller more mobile forwards. With the new crackdown on high tackles, this could change the scenario again. The donkeys big guys steamrolled the chickens last night.

Forum members thoughts ?

Our troubles start without the ball. Our defence has remained consistently appalling.

I thought our middle is OK, its the edge that is the problem?

Definitely the edges

Middle defence is poor but edges are close to the worst I’ve ever seen in NRL.

We need 2 hardcore back rowers .

2 new wingers who can jump and defend and have pace

2 centre’s who can hit hard with pace

And a decent hooker


And people want to blame the coach. Geez.

Show me one winger, centre, second rower or hooker he didn’t sign or re-sign?

All clubs have sign duds, they don’t do it knowingly though. It’s then a process of weeding them out when there contracts are finished.

So now he needs time to weed out the bad signings he made so he can truly get the team he wants? What a cop out.

That's what all clubs/coaches do. Pretty
sure your man Flannagan signed **Moylan and Dugan** on huge contracts that they have been trying to get out of for the last three seasons?

Well if by chance Madge leaves and we sign Flanagan, he can sign those two up as they are off contract

:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
 
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371903) said:
3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

I posted in about October we should be all in for Brandon Smith. He's the sort of character, both on and off the field, that will generate the culture we need.

I'd have been happy to keep Harry but I actually think the Cheese's game has more qualities we need.

Hynes and Su'a are good but Smith would be my primary target. I believe he'll attract players - he's the sort of character people want to be around.
 
@voice_of_reason said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371974) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371903) said:
3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

I posted in about October we should be all in for Brandon Smith. He's the sort of character, both on and off the field, that will generate the culture we need.

I'd have been happy to keep Harry but I actually think the Cheese's game has more qualities we need.

Hynes and Su'a are good but Smith would be my primary target. I believe he'll attract players - he's the sort of character people want to be around.

We don't get Cheese.
Keep dreaming.
 
@russell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371821) said:
@atown said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371125) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371107) said:
@atown said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371093) said:
@mighty_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370725) said:
Reality is there isn’t 2-3 marquee style players on the market.

There are some good players, some rising talent and fringe players up for grabs.

Issue is in a competitive market where a few clubs have cash we either have to take huge risks or we go the slow burn - pay huge overs or buy for price, invest in yet to be known players and grab out of sorts players to hopefully build a competitive squad which may take another 2-3yrs to see the benefits of.

We suck and not alot of current 1st graders would jump from the storm etc to come here unless they got well compensated & even then most pick winning over the cash anyway.

TBH after watching Hynes do it again last night. He is the real deal. He is 100% a marquee player. Demands the ball every single set and makes consistent correct decisions. Not to mention his support play. He literally backs up almost every hit up.

Can play anywhere.
I'd like him in the centres for us.

I like him at 1. I’m wondering if Gus is right and Laurie’s best position is 6.

It’s really hard to judge because we somehow haven’t worked out how to use him properly in attack at fullback.

It baffles me that we haven’t worked out how to run an effective block play that gives Laurie some room to make a decision. Every other fullback in the game gets that opportunity.

He may well be a good player in the future - HOWEVER, he needs about six months of tackling lessons before that happens.

Last weekend, fullback tackling stats:
Tedesco: 2 made, 1 ineffective.
Trbojevic: 7 made, 1 missed.
Hynes: 6 made, 1 ineffective.
Laurie: 5 made, 1 missed.

Hard to say tackling is a major differentiator of the contemporary fullback.
 
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371982) said:
Last weekend, fullback tackling stats:
Tedesco: 2 made, 1 ineffective.
Trbojevic: 7 made, 1 missed.
Hynes: 6 made, 1 ineffective.
Laurie: 5 made, 1 missed.

Hard to say tackling is a major differentiator of the contemporary fullback.


Agreed. In all seriousness, tackling is about the last concern of the modern day fullback. Positional play is probably number one followed by high ball ability, running good lines, backing up, passing game etc
 
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371982) said:
@russell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371821) said:
@atown said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371125) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371107) said:
@atown said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371093) said:
@mighty_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370725) said:
Reality is there isn’t 2-3 marquee style players on the market.

There are some good players, some rising talent and fringe players up for grabs.

Issue is in a competitive market where a few clubs have cash we either have to take huge risks or we go the slow burn - pay huge overs or buy for price, invest in yet to be known players and grab out of sorts players to hopefully build a competitive squad which may take another 2-3yrs to see the benefits of.

We suck and not alot of current 1st graders would jump from the storm etc to come here unless they got well compensated & even then most pick winning over the cash anyway.

TBH after watching Hynes do it again last night. He is the real deal. He is 100% a marquee player. Demands the ball every single set and makes consistent correct decisions. Not to mention his support play. He literally backs up almost every hit up.

Can play anywhere.
I'd like him in the centres for us.

I like him at 1. I’m wondering if Gus is right and Laurie’s best position is 6.

It’s really hard to judge because we somehow haven’t worked out how to use him properly in attack at fullback.

It baffles me that we haven’t worked out how to run an effective block play that gives Laurie some room to make a decision. Every other fullback in the game gets that opportunity.

He may well be a good player in the future - HOWEVER, he needs about six months of tackling lessons before that happens.

Last weekend, fullback tackling stats:
Tedesco: 2 made, 1 ineffective.
Trbojevic: 7 made, 1 missed.
Hynes: 6 made, 1 ineffective.
Laurie: 5 made, 1 missed.

Hard to say tackling is a major differentiator of the contemporary fullback.

Yeah if your fullback needs to make more than a handful of tackles you probably have bigger issues.

One thing I have noticed is we often get caught for numbers in both edges. It should be the fullback directing defenders to either side so makes me wonder if Laurie needs more work on getting defence organised. In his defence though it’s probably a bit like trying to herd cats.
 
@bones said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371993) said:
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371982) said:
@russell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371821) said:
@atown said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371125) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371107) said:
@atown said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371093) said:
@mighty_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370725) said:
Reality is there isn’t 2-3 marquee style players on the market.

There are some good players, some rising talent and fringe players up for grabs.

Issue is in a competitive market where a few clubs have cash we either have to take huge risks or we go the slow burn - pay huge overs or buy for price, invest in yet to be known players and grab out of sorts players to hopefully build a competitive squad which may take another 2-3yrs to see the benefits of.

We suck and not alot of current 1st graders would jump from the storm etc to come here unless they got well compensated & even then most pick winning over the cash anyway.

TBH after watching Hynes do it again last night. He is the real deal. He is 100% a marquee player. Demands the ball every single set and makes consistent correct decisions. Not to mention his support play. He literally backs up almost every hit up.

Can play anywhere.
I'd like him in the centres for us.

I like him at 1. I’m wondering if Gus is right and Laurie’s best position is 6.

It’s really hard to judge because we somehow haven’t worked out how to use him properly in attack at fullback.

It baffles me that we haven’t worked out how to run an effective block play that gives Laurie some room to make a decision. Every other fullback in the game gets that opportunity.

He may well be a good player in the future - HOWEVER, he needs about six months of tackling lessons before that happens.

Last weekend, fullback tackling stats:
Tedesco: 2 made, 1 ineffective.
Trbojevic: 7 made, 1 missed.
Hynes: 6 made, 1 ineffective.
Laurie: 5 made, 1 missed.

Hard to say tackling is a major differentiator of the contemporary fullback.

Yeah if your fullback needs to make more than a handful of tackles you probably have bigger issues.

One thing I have noticed is we often get caught for numbers in both edges. It should be the fullback directing defenders to either side so makes me wonder if Laurie needs more work on getting defence organised. In his defence though it’s probably a bit like trying to herd cats.

I’d say sloths in a couple of cases
 
@2041 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371982) said:
@russell said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371821) said:
@atown said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371125) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371107) said:
@atown said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371093) said:
@mighty_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1370725) said:
Reality is there isn’t 2-3 marquee style players on the market.

There are some good players, some rising talent and fringe players up for grabs.

Issue is in a competitive market where a few clubs have cash we either have to take huge risks or we go the slow burn - pay huge overs or buy for price, invest in yet to be known players and grab out of sorts players to hopefully build a competitive squad which may take another 2-3yrs to see the benefits of.

We suck and not alot of current 1st graders would jump from the storm etc to come here unless they got well compensated & even then most pick winning over the cash anyway.

TBH after watching Hynes do it again last night. He is the real deal. He is 100% a marquee player. Demands the ball every single set and makes consistent correct decisions. Not to mention his support play. He literally backs up almost every hit up.

Can play anywhere.
I'd like him in the centres for us.

I like him at 1. I’m wondering if Gus is right and Laurie’s best position is 6.

It’s really hard to judge because we somehow haven’t worked out how to use him properly in attack at fullback.

It baffles me that we haven’t worked out how to run an effective block play that gives Laurie some room to make a decision. Every other fullback in the game gets that opportunity.

He may well be a good player in the future - HOWEVER, he needs about six months of tackling lessons before that happens.

Last weekend, fullback tackling stats:
Tedesco: 2 made, 1 ineffective.
Trbojevic: 7 made, 1 missed.
Hynes: 6 made, 1 ineffective.
Laurie: 5 made, 1 missed.

Hard to say tackling is a major differentiator of the contemporary fullback.

I am not talking about one game 2041.

Look at the season so far - quite often he gets left for dead in the open, no where near the threat.

That doesn't count as a missed tackle, but he has been chalking tose up.

Hopefully he has been watching Tommy Turbo, especially against That scum Parra on Sunday.
 
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371977) said:
@voice_of_reason said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371974) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371903) said:
3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

I posted in about October we should be all in for Brandon Smith. He's the sort of character, both on and off the field, that will generate the culture we need.

I'd have been happy to keep Harry but I actually think the Cheese's game has more qualities we need.

Hynes and Su'a are good but Smith would be my primary target. I believe he'll attract players - he's the sort of character people want to be around.

We don't get Cheese.
Keep dreaming.

Story of our recruitment I’m afraid ..... we had a go at quite a few .... what we got is no hits all misses (strike out) ....

Latrell
Lomax
Saab
Walsh
JAC
Suaalii
Schuster
etc. Etc.
 
@momo_amp_medo said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1372000) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371977) said:
@voice_of_reason said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371974) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371903) said:
3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

I posted in about October we should be all in for Brandon Smith. He's the sort of character, both on and off the field, that will generate the culture we need.

I'd have been happy to keep Harry but I actually think the Cheese's game has more qualities we need.

Hynes and Su'a are good but Smith would be my primary target. I believe he'll attract players - he's the sort of character people want to be around.

We don't get Cheese.
Keep dreaming.

Story of our recruitment I’m afraid ..... we had a go at quite a few .... what we got is no hits all misses (strike out) ....

Latrell
Lomax
Saab
Walsh
JAC
Suaalii
Schuster
etc. Etc.

Think you are dreaming that we had a go at Suaali - Offers were pulled on Latrine and JAC.
 
@momo_amp_medo said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1372000) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371977) said:
@voice_of_reason said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371974) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371903) said:
3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

I posted in about October we should be all in for Brandon Smith. He's the sort of character, both on and off the field, that will generate the culture we need.

I'd have been happy to keep Harry but I actually think the Cheese's game has more qualities we need.

Hynes and Su'a are good but Smith would be my primary target. I believe he'll attract players - he's the sort of character people want to be around.

We don't get Cheese.
Keep dreaming.

Story of our recruitment I’m afraid ..... we had a go at quite a few .... what we got is no hits all misses (strike out) ....

Latrell
Lomax
Saab
Walsh
JAC
Suaalii
Schuster
etc. Etc.

Latrine i can live with

JAC is a idiot

Walsh, Schuster, Lomax is wish we got

Suaali overrated imo
 
@thedaboss said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1372009) said:
@momo_amp_medo said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1372000) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371977) said:
@voice_of_reason said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371974) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371903) said:
3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

I posted in about October we should be all in for Brandon Smith. He's the sort of character, both on and off the field, that will generate the culture we need.

I'd have been happy to keep Harry but I actually think the Cheese's game has more qualities we need.

Hynes and Su'a are good but Smith would be my primary target. I believe he'll attract players - he's the sort of character people want to be around.

We don't get Cheese.
Keep dreaming.

Story of our recruitment I’m afraid ..... we had a go at quite a few .... what we got is no hits all misses (strike out) ....

Latrell
Lomax
Saab
Walsh
JAC
Suaalii
Schuster
etc. Etc.

Latrine i can live with

JAC is a idiot

Walsh, Schuster, Lomax is wish we got

Suaali overrated imo

Agree with all this.
 
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1372017) said:
@thedaboss said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1372009) said:
@momo_amp_medo said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1372000) said:
@demps said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371977) said:
@voice_of_reason said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371974) said:
@camel2281 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1371903) said:
3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

I posted in about October we should be all in for Brandon Smith. He's the sort of character, both on and off the field, that will generate the culture we need.

I'd have been happy to keep Harry but I actually think the Cheese's game has more qualities we need.

Hynes and Su'a are good but Smith would be my primary target. I believe he'll attract players - he's the sort of character people want to be around.

We don't get Cheese.
Keep dreaming.

Story of our recruitment I’m afraid ..... we had a go at quite a few .... what we got is no hits all misses (strike out) ....

Latrell
Lomax
Saab
Walsh
JAC
Suaalii
Schuster
etc. Etc.

Latrine i can live with

JAC is a idiot

Walsh, Schuster, Lomax is wish we got

Suaali overrated imo

Agree with all this.

I don’t disagree with anything .... I’m just saying.....
 

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