Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Telltails]

Talking to players and offering contracts are vastly different. If you call "missing out on players" after talking to them then we would have plenty of company.

 

[cktiger]

Our 3 highest paid players are Moses Mbye, Rus Packer and BJ Leilua plus we have 700k unspent.

Mbye - 800k
Pakcer - 750k
Bj - 600k
Unspent - 700k

2.85m delivering about 300k worth

We Re effectively playing $2.5m under the cap.

Imagine if you could swap that 2.5m top end money for any other 3 players on the comp. We would be top 8 and prob top 4.

It isnt the coaching, it isnt the effort its purley too level talent.

Not 1 player from our club will be in an origin discussion - we are the only club that can say that .

Bj on more than brooks ?

Madge spend on a half back

He must have forgotten Brooks- he is our highest paid player on 900k per season.
Get rid of him and the other 3 and we’re laughing.
PS You can throw in Nofo and Talau as well.

Do we actually have proof that Brooks is on 900k per season?

He read a buzz rothfield article, it must be true

Reported in a Fox Sports article last month regarding Hastings coming here.
Our most expensive and protected dud.

 

[diedpretty]

Bulldogs offered more money for Burton plus had the player coach connection, my concerns about Madge are his team selections and failure to improve the team in the areas that need it,

* Choosing Leilua and Roberts as starting centres over Momirovski who would of been the smarter choice

* Nofoaluma re-signing (4years) who has always had defensive issues

* Team selections and use of the bench often not making sense

* Releasing Thompson who in hindsight is a better winger than any other player here

Every player you mentioned is pretty ordinary though. Switch the names around and I reckon we're still at the same place.

None of the players are game changers, Joey and Roberts at least had the potential to be and that is why they were signed. As an attempt to get an ordinary squad into the finals.

These were shortcuts in recruitment much like the shortcuts we take on the field. These guys can’t hold down a club because they’re not mentally tough. Bellamy sends young players out to work on building sites to find out their character. We should have given BJ an Oporto ‘s apron.

I don't have a problem with either signing as they were short term signings for a specific purpose.

To run 14th? I get your point but it needs to end. Need to start signing winners to teach the kids who can play (supposedly)

The winners said no, these were signings with good upside that could have made a difference if they worked out. If not there was an easy out when we will be in a position to try again with the better targets. The Roberts signing in particular was a good risk to take.

Come on mate he’s copping about 4 grand a week to do nothing. We could have a young kid learning the ropes right now. It was always doomed.

Who Talau? Roberts is on close to minimum wage, we are about $750k under the cap, with 2 spots still vacant and all reserve grade players being eligible for firsts grade. His signing held no one back.

We should have been looking for a young speedster not a washed up hack.

Nothing stopped us from both.

18 year old kid who tore us shreds on Friday has changed clubs recently. Doubt we even knew his name.

Complete nonsense

Madge literally said they knew about him 2 years ago

I've also seen the talent identification system they use, there isn't a player they don't know about.

do they use a dartboard?

I wouldn’t mind guessing they’re putting way too much influence on stats. The good teams sign guys based on character and propensity to work hard. Not many spreadsheets can capture those details.

We don't sign based on stats.

Maybe we should then, whatever we’re doing, change it.

The biggest issue is we are struggling to attract the elite senior talent, we are doing very well with the junior identification. The elite talent issue is very complex to address and I don't know if it is something that will change until we are playing better football.

If we’re going after the best junior talent we certainly missed on Burton, Walker, Walsh, Schuster, Suaalii etc. when our our young guns going to catch fire?

You are correct. We haven't signed any elite juniors, or if we've tried we've failed.

We do have a bunch of talented youngsters who are still very much project players. Tuki is a player with a lot of potential but getting in the pack and still very young he needs a bit more time in NSW cup.

We have 600k to spend this season. That could get us practically any player that's looking for a new home. Origin or anyone for half a season. Or we target the next Burton, Walker, suaalii etc and try get them ASAP.

Jake Simpkin was earmarked as the Brisbane Broncos hooker for the next decade. Tuki Simpkins was wanted by the All Blacks. Stefano Utoikamanu earmarked as the next Payne Haas. Shawn Blore was a member of the emerging blues squad in 2018 before making his debut. Daine Laurie made Jersey Flegg look like childs play. Adam Doueihi played at a national level in two codes.

The trouble is these guys aren't going to wait around for years with no finals football. We need to start improving dramatically or they will walk the first time a top clubs comes knocking.

 

[BAGNF05]

Bulldogs offered more money for Burton plus had the player coach connection, my concerns about Madge are his team selections and failure to improve the team in the areas that need it,

* Choosing Leilua and Roberts as starting centres over Momirovski who would of been the smarter choice

* Nofoaluma re-signing (4years) who has always had defensive issues

* Team selections and use of the bench often not making sense

* Releasing Thompson who in hindsight is a better winger than any other player here

Every player you mentioned is pretty ordinary though. Switch the names around and I reckon we're still at the same place.

None of the players are game changers, Joey and Roberts at least had the potential to be and that is why they were signed. As an attempt to get an ordinary squad into the finals.

These were shortcuts in recruitment much like the shortcuts we take on the field. These guys can’t hold down a club because they’re not mentally tough. Bellamy sends young players out to work on building sites to find out their character. We should have given BJ an Oporto ‘s apron.

I don't have a problem with either signing as they were short term signings for a specific purpose.

To run 14th? I get your point but it needs to end. Need to start signing winners to teach the kids who can play (supposedly)

The winners said no, these were signings with good upside that could have made a difference if they worked out. If not there was an easy out when we will be in a position to try again with the better targets. The Roberts signing in particular was a good risk to take.

Come on mate he’s copping about 4 grand a week to do nothing. We could have a young kid learning the ropes right now. It was always doomed.

Who Talau? Roberts is on close to minimum wage, we are about $750k under the cap, with 2 spots still vacant and all reserve grade players being eligible for firsts grade. His signing held no one back.

We should have been looking for a young speedster not a washed up hack.

Nothing stopped us from both.

18 year old kid who tore us shreds on Friday has changed clubs recently. Doubt we even knew his name.

Complete nonsense

Madge literally said they knew about him 2 years ago

I've also seen the talent identification system they use, there isn't a player they don't know about.

Agree and they also tried to get him in a player swap but Broncos didn't agree. Then the warriors swooped in with a long term deal and a 1st grade opportunity.. You cannot get them all.

That is why it is folly to judge recruitment on the players you miss.

The ones we got are running 14th and will be lucky to get 15th. Can we judge on that?

Go for it mate, but you are looking at this from a very shallow angle.

Yep, I know mate. I’m burned out waiting for a sign of life from the club. The only conclusion I can draw is ‘change the cattle making the decisions’

If I’m wrong I’ll actually be happy because it’ll mean I can stop complaining about it.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

I posted in about October we should be all in for Brandon Smith. He's the sort of character, both on and off the field, that will generate the culture we need.

I'd have been happy to keep Harry but I actually think the Cheese's game has more qualities we need.

Hynes and Su'a are good but Smith would be my primary target. I believe he'll attract players - he's the sort of character people want to be around.

We don't get Cheese.
Keep dreaming.

Story of our recruitment I’m afraid ..... we had a go at quite a few .... what we got is no hits all misses (strike out) ....

Latrell
Lomax
Saab
Walsh
JAC
Suaalii
Schuster
etc. Etc.

Latrine i can live with

JAC is a idiot

Walsh, Schuster, Lomax is wish we got

Suaali overrated imo

JAC would be great for morale in the dressing shed. He seems like a fun guy to have around. I'd imagine he and Maguire would be best buddies.

 

[cochise]

Bulldogs offered more money for Burton plus had the player coach connection, my concerns about Madge are his team selections and failure to improve the team in the areas that need it,

* Choosing Leilua and Roberts as starting centres over Momirovski who would of been the smarter choice

* Nofoaluma re-signing (4years) who has always had defensive issues

* Team selections and use of the bench often not making sense

* Releasing Thompson who in hindsight is a better winger than any other player here

Every player you mentioned is pretty ordinary though. Switch the names around and I reckon we're still at the same place.

None of the players are game changers, Joey and Roberts at least had the potential to be and that is why they were signed. As an attempt to get an ordinary squad into the finals.

These were shortcuts in recruitment much like the shortcuts we take on the field. These guys can’t hold down a club because they’re not mentally tough. Bellamy sends young players out to work on building sites to find out their character. We should have given BJ an Oporto ‘s apron.

I don't have a problem with either signing as they were short term signings for a specific purpose.

To run 14th? I get your point but it needs to end. Need to start signing winners to teach the kids who can play (supposedly)

The winners said no, these were signings with good upside that could have made a difference if they worked out. If not there was an easy out when we will be in a position to try again with the better targets. The Roberts signing in particular was a good risk to take.

Come on mate he’s copping about 4 grand a week to do nothing. We could have a young kid learning the ropes right now. It was always doomed.

Who Talau? Roberts is on close to minimum wage, we are about $750k under the cap, with 2 spots still vacant and all reserve grade players being eligible for firsts grade. His signing held no one back.

We should have been looking for a young speedster not a washed up hack.

Nothing stopped us from both.

18 year old kid who tore us shreds on Friday has changed clubs recently. Doubt we even knew his name.

Complete nonsense

Madge literally said they knew about him 2 years ago

I've also seen the talent identification system they use, there isn't a player they don't know about.

Agree and they also tried to get him in a player swap but Broncos didn't agree. Then the warriors swooped in with a long term deal and a 1st grade opportunity.. You cannot get them all.

That is why it is folly to judge recruitment on the players you miss.

The ones we got are running 14th and will be lucky to get 15th. Can we judge on that?

Go for it mate, but you are looking at this from a very shallow angle.

Yep, I know mate. I’m burned out waiting for a sign of life from the club. The only conclusion I can draw is ‘change the cattle making the decisions’

If I’m wrong I’ll actually be happy because it’ll mean I can stop complaining about it.

Believe me I get it, I feel the same, 10 years without finals is not acceptable. I have actually discussed recruitment with Hartigan, that is why I am willing to put some faith in his ability to turn this place around. He is not going to get it right 100% of the time but I like how he goes about his job.

 

[Newtown]

Reality is there isn’t 2-3 marquee style players on the market.

There are some good players, some rising talent and fringe players up for grabs.

Issue is in a competitive market where a few clubs have cash we either have to take huge risks or we go the slow burn - pay huge overs or buy for price, invest in yet to be known players and grab out of sorts players to hopefully build a competitive squad which may take another 2-3yrs to see the benefits of.

We suck and not alot of current 1st graders would jump from the storm etc to come here unless they got well compensated & even then most pick winning over the cash anyway.

TBH after watching Hynes do it again last night. He is the real deal. He is 100% a marquee player. Demands the ball every single set and makes consistent correct decisions. Not to mention his support play. He literally backs up almost every hit up.

Can play anywhere.
I'd like him in the centres for us.

I like him at 1. I’m wondering if Gus is right and Laurie’s best position is 6.

It’s really hard to judge because we somehow haven’t worked out how to use him properly in attack at fullback.

It baffles me that we haven’t worked out how to run an effective block play that gives Laurie some room to make a decision. Every other fullback in the game gets that opportunity.

He may well be a good player in the future - HOWEVER, he needs about six months of tackling lessons before that happens.

Last weekend, fullback tackling stats:
Tedesco: 2 made, 1 ineffective.
Trbojevic: 7 made, 1 missed.
Hynes: 6 made, 1 ineffective.
Laurie: 5 made, 1 missed.

Hard to say tackling is a major differentiator of the contemporary fullback.

I am not talking about one game 2041.

Look at the season so far - quite often he gets left for dead in the open, no where near the threat.

That doesn't count as a missed tackle, but he has been chalking tose up.

Hopefully he has been watching Tommy Turbo, especially against That scum Parra on Sunday.

Then how come Madge keeps saying that he gets a lot of calls from players who want to play for Wests Tigers . Surely we have the money to entice and sign them?

 

[BZN]

Bulldogs offered more money for Burton plus had the player coach connection, my concerns about Madge are his team selections and failure to improve the team in the areas that need it,

* Choosing Leilua and Roberts as starting centres over Momirovski who would of been the smarter choice

* Nofoaluma re-signing (4years) who has always had defensive issues

* Team selections and use of the bench often not making sense

* Releasing Thompson who in hindsight is a better winger than any other player here

Every player you mentioned is pretty ordinary though. Switch the names around and I reckon we're still at the same place.

None of the players are game changers, Joey and Roberts at least had the potential to be and that is why they were signed. As an attempt to get an ordinary squad into the finals.

These were shortcuts in recruitment much like the shortcuts we take on the field. These guys can’t hold down a club because they’re not mentally tough. Bellamy sends young players out to work on building sites to find out their character. We should have given BJ an Oporto ‘s apron.

I don't have a problem with either signing as they were short term signings for a specific purpose.

To run 14th? I get your point but it needs to end. Need to start signing winners to teach the kids who can play (supposedly)

The winners said no, these were signings with good upside that could have made a difference if they worked out. If not there was an easy out when we will be in a position to try again with the better targets. The Roberts signing in particular was a good risk to take.

Come on mate he’s copping about 4 grand a week to do nothing. We could have a young kid learning the ropes right now. It was always doomed.

Who Talau? Roberts is on close to minimum wage, we are about $750k under the cap, with 2 spots still vacant and all reserve grade players being eligible for firsts grade. His signing held no one back.

We should have been looking for a young speedster not a washed up hack.

Nothing stopped us from both.

18 year old kid who tore us shreds on Friday has changed clubs recently. Doubt we even knew his name.

Complete nonsense

Madge literally said they knew about him 2 years ago

I've also seen the talent identification system they use, there isn't a player they don't know about.

Agree and they also tried to get him in a player swap but Broncos didn't agree. Then the warriors swooped in with a long term deal and a 1st grade opportunity.. You cannot get them all.

Can we have one? Please sir ??

I think we already have some but just need some experienced top line players to help in developing them and the culture that is needed to win. If you put Simpkin, Stefo, Blore, Laurie for E.g. in a team that has top line players they would shine quicker then here with us. As a club we have had no salary cap money free so we did the smart thing and started building from the ground up and brought quite a few young stars (not all will turn into Diamonds) and we are at the stage now where the money is coming free and we can pick up the players we need. The next 6 months is massive for us and I for one will trust the process.

Good post HSVJ :+1:

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Reality is there isn’t 2-3 marquee style players on the market.

There are some good players, some rising talent and fringe players up for grabs.

Issue is in a competitive market where a few clubs have cash we either have to take huge risks or we go the slow burn - pay huge overs or buy for price, invest in yet to be known players and grab out of sorts players to hopefully build a competitive squad which may take another 2-3yrs to see the benefits of.

We suck and not alot of current 1st graders would jump from the storm etc to come here unless they got well compensated & even then most pick winning over the cash anyway.

TBH after watching Hynes do it again last night. He is the real deal. He is 100% a marquee player. Demands the ball every single set and makes consistent correct decisions. Not to mention his support play. He literally backs up almost every hit up.

Can play anywhere.
I'd like him in the centres for us.

I like him at 1. I’m wondering if Gus is right and Laurie’s best position is 6.

It’s really hard to judge because we somehow haven’t worked out how to use him properly in attack at fullback.

It baffles me that we haven’t worked out how to run an effective block play that gives Laurie some room to make a decision. Every other fullback in the game gets that opportunity.

He may well be a good player in the future - HOWEVER, he needs about six months of tackling lessons before that happens.

Last weekend, fullback tackling stats:
Tedesco: 2 made, 1 ineffective.
Trbojevic: 7 made, 1 missed.
Hynes: 6 made, 1 ineffective.
Laurie: 5 made, 1 missed.

Hard to say tackling is a major differentiator of the contemporary fullback.

I am not talking about one game 2041.

Look at the season so far - quite often he gets left for dead in the open, no where near the threat.

That doesn't count as a missed tackle, but he has been chalking tose up.

Hopefully he has been watching Tommy Turbo, especially against That scum Parra on Sunday.

Then how come Madge keeps saying that he gets a lot of calls from players who want to play for Wests Tigers . Surely we have the money to entice and sign them?

We're always good to use in a bidding war to up one's price. We're obliging like that.

 

[Speed2burn]

Our 3 highest paid players are Moses Mbye, Rus Packer and BJ Leilua plus we have 700k unspent.

Mbye - 800k
Pakcer - 750k
Bj - 600k
Unspent - 700k

2.85m delivering about 300k worth

We Re effectively playing $2.5m under the cap.

Imagine if you could swap that 2.5m top end money for any other 3 players on the comp. We would be top 8 and prob top 4.

It isnt the coaching, it isnt the effort its purley too level talent.

Not 1 player from our club will be in an origin discussion - we are the only club that can say that .

Bj on more than brooks ?

Madge spend on a half back

He must have forgotten Brooks- he is our highest paid player on 900k per season.
Get rid of him and the other 3 and we’re laughing.
PS You can throw in Nofo and Talau as well.

Do we actually have proof that Brooks is on 900k per season?

He read a buzz rothfield article, it must be true

Reported in a Fox Sports article last month regarding Hastings coming here.
Our most expensive and protected dud.

? line sinker

He’s on more like 650k-700k

Fox sports also said Mbye was on a million the year he played origin

 

[Bula]

3 players who I consider just below Marquee but top class who I want us to chase. Brandon Smith, Nicho Hynes and Jaydon Su'a

I posted in about October we should be all in for Brandon Smith. He's the sort of character, both on and off the field, that will generate the culture we need.

I'd have been happy to keep Harry but I actually think the Cheese's game has more qualities we need.

Hynes and Su'a are good but Smith would be my primary target. I believe he'll attract players - he's the sort of character people want to be around.

We don't get Cheese.
Keep dreaming.

Story of our recruitment I’m afraid ..... we had a go at quite a few .... what we got is no hits all misses (strike out) ....

Latrell
Lomax
Saab
Walsh
JAC
Suaalii
Schuster
etc. Etc.

Latrine i can live with

JAC is a idiot

Walsh, Schuster, Lomax is wish we got

Suaali overrated imo

Agree with all this.

Yes. You wouldn't want Fox running your quiz night.

 

[851]

I think we have to remember the last 2 years we have lost our best player at the end of the season that really really hurts if we had matterson at the club still playing the way he was when he was here it would be huge

He left because of Madge, and the Eels came in with more money after they heard he was not happy

 

[851]

So the difference in the cap between having a good coach (who attracts players- the Robinsons, Bennets, Bellamys ) is $400K for some players.

I don't believe this for a second. How many on here are going to give up 400k in income.

Latrell gave up $500k to knock us back

 

[BAGNF05]

Bulldogs offered more money for Burton plus had the player coach connection, my concerns about Madge are his team selections and failure to improve the team in the areas that need it,

* Choosing Leilua and Roberts as starting centres over Momirovski who would of been the smarter choice

* Nofoaluma re-signing (4years) who has always had defensive issues

* Team selections and use of the bench often not making sense

* Releasing Thompson who in hindsight is a better winger than any other player here

Every player you mentioned is pretty ordinary though. Switch the names around and I reckon we're still at the same place.

None of the players are game changers, Joey and Roberts at least had the potential to be and that is why they were signed. As an attempt to get an ordinary squad into the finals.

These were shortcuts in recruitment much like the shortcuts we take on the field. These guys can’t hold down a club because they’re not mentally tough. Bellamy sends young players out to work on building sites to find out their character. We should have given BJ an Oporto ‘s apron.

I don't have a problem with either signing as they were short term signings for a specific purpose.

To run 14th? I get your point but it needs to end. Need to start signing winners to teach the kids who can play (supposedly)

The winners said no, these were signings with good upside that could have made a difference if they worked out. If not there was an easy out when we will be in a position to try again with the better targets. The Roberts signing in particular was a good risk to take.

Come on mate he’s copping about 4 grand a week to do nothing. We could have a young kid learning the ropes right now. It was always doomed.

Who Talau? Roberts is on close to minimum wage, we are about $750k under the cap, with 2 spots still vacant and all reserve grade players being eligible for firsts grade. His signing held no one back.

We should have been looking for a young speedster not a washed up hack.

Nothing stopped us from both.

18 year old kid who tore us shreds on Friday has changed clubs recently. Doubt we even knew his name.

Complete nonsense

Madge literally said they knew about him 2 years ago

I've also seen the talent identification system they use, there isn't a player they don't know about.

Agree and they also tried to get him in a player swap but Broncos didn't agree. Then the warriors swooped in with a long term deal and a 1st grade opportunity.. You cannot get them all.

That is why it is folly to judge recruitment on the players you miss.

The ones we got are running 14th and will be lucky to get 15th. Can we judge on that?

Go for it mate, but you are looking at this from a very shallow angle.

Yep, I know mate. I’m burned out waiting for a sign of life from the club. The only conclusion I can draw is ‘change the cattle making the decisions’

If I’m wrong I’ll actually be happy because it’ll mean I can stop complaining about it.

Believe me I get it, I feel the same, 10 years without finals is not acceptable. I have actually discussed recruitment with Hartigan, that is why I am willing to put some faith in his ability to turn this place around. He is not going to get it right 100% of the time but I like how he goes about his job.

I got close to having a chat to him but it just didn’t eventuate, shortly after the Matterson debacle. I think my words to him would go something like this, we need a game-changer. Pay Victor Radley or someone like that double what they’re worth, somebody who will attract decent footy players. Do it now.

 

[cochise]

Bulldogs offered more money for Burton plus had the player coach connection, my concerns about Madge are his team selections and failure to improve the team in the areas that need it,

* Choosing Leilua and Roberts as starting centres over Momirovski who would of been the smarter choice

* Nofoaluma re-signing (4years) who has always had defensive issues

* Team selections and use of the bench often not making sense

* Releasing Thompson who in hindsight is a better winger than any other player here

Every player you mentioned is pretty ordinary though. Switch the names around and I reckon we're still at the same place.

None of the players are game changers, Joey and Roberts at least had the potential to be and that is why they were signed. As an attempt to get an ordinary squad into the finals.

These were shortcuts in recruitment much like the shortcuts we take on the field. These guys can’t hold down a club because they’re not mentally tough. Bellamy sends young players out to work on building sites to find out their character. We should have given BJ an Oporto ‘s apron.

I don't have a problem with either signing as they were short term signings for a specific purpose.

To run 14th? I get your point but it needs to end. Need to start signing winners to teach the kids who can play (supposedly)

The winners said no, these were signings with good upside that could have made a difference if they worked out. If not there was an easy out when we will be in a position to try again with the better targets. The Roberts signing in particular was a good risk to take.

Come on mate he’s copping about 4 grand a week to do nothing. We could have a young kid learning the ropes right now. It was always doomed.

Who Talau? Roberts is on close to minimum wage, we are about $750k under the cap, with 2 spots still vacant and all reserve grade players being eligible for firsts grade. His signing held no one back.

We should have been looking for a young speedster not a washed up hack.

Nothing stopped us from both.

18 year old kid who tore us shreds on Friday has changed clubs recently. Doubt we even knew his name.

Complete nonsense

Madge literally said they knew about him 2 years ago

I've also seen the talent identification system they use, there isn't a player they don't know about.

Agree and they also tried to get him in a player swap but Broncos didn't agree. Then the warriors swooped in with a long term deal and a 1st grade opportunity.. You cannot get them all.

That is why it is folly to judge recruitment on the players you miss.

The ones we got are running 14th and will be lucky to get 15th. Can we judge on that?

Go for it mate, but you are looking at this from a very shallow angle.

Yep, I know mate. I’m burned out waiting for a sign of life from the club. The only conclusion I can draw is ‘change the cattle making the decisions’

If I’m wrong I’ll actually be happy because it’ll mean I can stop complaining about it.

Believe me I get it, I feel the same, 10 years without finals is not acceptable. I have actually discussed recruitment with Hartigan, that is why I am willing to put some faith in his ability to turn this place around. He is not going to get it right 100% of the time but I like how he goes about his job.

I got close to having a chat to him but it just didn’t eventuate, shortly after the Matterson debacle. I think my words to him would go something like this, we need a game-changer. Pay Victor Radley or someone like that double what they’re worth, somebody who will attract decent footy players. Do it now.

Shame you didn't get the chance, I found him very impressive, he is also very giving of his time.

 

[BAGNF05]

Bulldogs offered more money for Burton plus had the player coach connection, my concerns about Madge are his team selections and failure to improve the team in the areas that need it,

* Choosing Leilua and Roberts as starting centres over Momirovski who would of been the smarter choice

* Nofoaluma re-signing (4years) who has always had defensive issues

* Team selections and use of the bench often not making sense

* Releasing Thompson who in hindsight is a better winger than any other player here

Every player you mentioned is pretty ordinary though. Switch the names around and I reckon we're still at the same place.

None of the players are game changers, Joey and Roberts at least had the potential to be and that is why they were signed. As an attempt to get an ordinary squad into the finals.

These were shortcuts in recruitment much like the shortcuts we take on the field. These guys can’t hold down a club because they’re not mentally tough. Bellamy sends young players out to work on building sites to find out their character. We should have given BJ an Oporto ‘s apron.

I don't have a problem with either signing as they were short term signings for a specific purpose.

To run 14th? I get your point but it needs to end. Need to start signing winners to teach the kids who can play (supposedly)

The winners said no, these were signings with good upside that could have made a difference if they worked out. If not there was an easy out when we will be in a position to try again with the better targets. The Roberts signing in particular was a good risk to take.

Come on mate he’s copping about 4 grand a week to do nothing. We could have a young kid learning the ropes right now. It was always doomed.

Who Talau? Roberts is on close to minimum wage, we are about $750k under the cap, with 2 spots still vacant and all reserve grade players being eligible for firsts grade. His signing held no one back.

We should have been looking for a young speedster not a washed up hack.

Nothing stopped us from both.

18 year old kid who tore us shreds on Friday has changed clubs recently. Doubt we even knew his name.

Complete nonsense

Madge literally said they knew about him 2 years ago

I've also seen the talent identification system they use, there isn't a player they don't know about.

Agree and they also tried to get him in a player swap but Broncos didn't agree. Then the warriors swooped in with a long term deal and a 1st grade opportunity.. You cannot get them all.

That is why it is folly to judge recruitment on the players you miss.

The ones we got are running 14th and will be lucky to get 15th. Can we judge on that?

Go for it mate, but you are looking at this from a very shallow angle.

Yep, I know mate. I’m burned out waiting for a sign of life from the club. The only conclusion I can draw is ‘change the cattle making the decisions’

If I’m wrong I’ll actually be happy because it’ll mean I can stop complaining about it.

Believe me I get it, I feel the same, 10 years without finals is not acceptable. I have actually discussed recruitment with Hartigan, that is why I am willing to put some faith in his ability to turn this place around. He is not going to get it right 100% of the time but I like how he goes about his job.

I got close to having a chat to him but it just didn’t eventuate, shortly after the Matterson debacle. I think my words to him would go something like this, we need a game-changer. Pay Victor Radley or someone like that double what they’re worth, somebody who will attract decent footy players. Do it now.

Shame you didn't get the chance, I found him very impressive, he is also very giving of his time.

Might reach out again if I feel the timing is right, I’m sure he’s got enough advice coming in when we’re sitting 14th.

 

[jadtiger]

So the difference in the cap between having a good coach (who attracts players- the Robinsons, Bennets, Bellamys ) is $400K for some players.

I don't believe this for a second. How many on here are going to give up 400k in income.

Latrell gave up $500k to knock us back

We were very lucky in that regard

 

[851]

So the difference in the cap between having a good coach (who attracts players- the Robinsons, Bennets, Bellamys ) is $400K for some players.

I don't believe this for a second. How many on here are going to give up 400k in income.

Latrell gave up $500k to knock us back


We were very lucky in that regard

Are we, he would have attracted better quality players, JAC for one

 

[jadtiger]

So the difference in the cap between having a good coach (who attracts players- the Robinsons, Bennets, Bellamys ) is $400K for some players.

I don't believe this for a second. How many on here are going to give up 400k in income.

Latrell gave up $500k to knock us back


We were very lucky in that regard

Are we, he would have attracted better quality players, JAC for one

JAC did not sign to go to Souffs with Mitchell there in fact he turned them down to go to the dogs

 

[851]

So the difference in the cap between having a good coach (who attracts players- the Robinsons, Bennets, Bellamys ) is $400K for some players.

I don't believe this for a second. How many on here are going to give up 400k in income.

Latrell gave up $500k to knock us back


We were very lucky in that regard

Are we, he would have attracted better quality players, JAC for one


JAC did not sign to go to Souffs with Mitchell there in fact he turned them down to go to the dogs

Souths had no way of fitting him in the cap, that wasn't an option