Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[hobbo1]

Just checked DWZ stats and he’s scored 5 tries in 9 games and averages 167m a game, that’s 20 more meters than nofa! All that in a dogs team Playing out of position with no forwards. Just imagine nofa and DWZ chalking up those meters in our team together! For 3-400k and swap with Joey leilua, make it happen!!

They would be one of the slowest wing combinations in the NRL. A big no thanks. Wingers also need to possess pace and outstanding finishing and not just 10 metres out.

DWZ should not be blocking one of our good youngsters from a wing position. Good young players who even at their age offer more than simply hitting the ball up like a second row forward. Thank goodness Sheens is coming so we can have some innovative thinking aboard HMAS Weststigers.

We are struggling now and don't see any younger wingers ready to step up into 1st grade for at least 18 months. Enter a Rep player that has captained his country under our current coach, 25 years old(still young) , 6 foot 1 and wait for it ..... getting him for 300-400k is an bargain.. If it doesn't work out then who cares as its not like it for 4 years on 700k. He could play better then TT hands down on the wing so its a YES for me.

One of the problems we have had in our backline is lack of pace. Why do you want 2 error prone slow wingers?

Good point but there is no experienced wingers out there with pace we can get.. JAC would of been excellent but also would cost 600k++ . Maybe Madge is thinking lets get DWZ as an experienced winger until we find a fast up and comer we can put there.
I'm no recruitment guru but I do trust the decisions been made at the club as most of them have turned out well in this building process.

Yeah but why would you want to sign DWZ for 2 years on pretty good money (even subsidised) just for the hell of it? I'd rather keep JTJ there until we find that up and comer.

we still need depth and having DWZ or JTJ as back up is far more preferable than running out cini again and getting him bombed to death and destroying his confidence
plus DWZ offer fullback coverage should mbye go and laurie goes down, as far as i know nobody is a capable fullback coverage from lower grades or first grade
as a squad of 30, DWZ and JTJ on a combine 600-700k isn't a bad deal in my books when you look at the experience they have, the coverage DWZ offers and the fact that none of the juniors are really ready for that step up

$400k is a lot of money for a back up winger.

or you could look at it like he is starting for 400k and JTJ who really hasn't shown that much to warrant a walk up jersey is a good back up at 200k (he has provided good ROI for the last few weeks)
we have packer running around reserves on a lot more than 400k, along with BJ
eels have fergo running around reserves
broncos had milf on 1mill
ese'ese reserves

id rather have a 400k DWZ running around reserves as a capable back up than any of them

The days of having players on top money playing reserve grade are almost over ..unless there coming back from an injury

Jimmy the jet is doing fine atm

DWZ is a nuffie ..plays the ball the wrong way & drops balls ..

Not what we need on $400k+ and why should we help the dogs out ?

They signed him on ludicrous money so they can deal with him .

that's the problem, it's not helping the dogs out, they are paying 50% of his contract roughly and he isn't playing for them, we all whinge and whine when we let a player go and have to pay part of their contract so surely receiving a player that is heavily subsidised is a win
it's a squad of 30 though and we showed the panthers what happens when your squad is 17 with a 13 fill ins

But I don’t rate DWZ ..
He makes more mistakes than Nofo and Talau combined ..

and just on his errors, going off this (only cause i don't know where else to see the stats for any individual)
https://www.nrlsupercoachstats.com/ for DWZ down the very bottom his average error count for 2021 is -1.6 points (1.6 errors/game) vs nofo and TT both at 2.2

1.6 errors a game is pretty bad saying the dogs get lapped every week ?

yet its less than both nofo and talua individually where you threw out a random stat saying that he makes more than those two combined
last year nofo and DWZ stats were reversed and TT still 2.2
and 2019 they were the same error count (nofo and DWZ)

I'm not saying DWZ is the answer to our backline, but he's a lot better than we have available to us

its hard to judge a player coming from a team that has sat at the bottom of the table for as long as the dogs have, especially when its a back. nobody from the dogs team is worth getting excited about
To me, it's the opposite of the storm, you sign a guy from the storm he is more likely to go down hill. You sign a guy from the dogs, chances are he performs better.
smith, harper, morris bros
it's worth the risk in my books

I'd prefer Roberts

I still say Roberts is a centre, we need to stop trying to manufacture players, just buy a winger or develop one. On the 1.6 errors per game for DWZ, Liddle has made more than that since he come back and everybody is praising him.

Hooker is the hardest position though

Playing wing is a breeze

Most of DWZ errors would have occurred playing fullback, and if wing is a breeze, why do we have so many who can't manage it

I’d prefer we kept Jimmy ..
Ask the coach ?

So would I, but Jimmy is a centre

Easier transition..
But DWZ is a nuffie

 

[carltonleach]

Just checked DWZ stats and he’s scored 5 tries in 9 games and averages 167m a game, that’s 20 more meters than nofa! All that in a dogs team Playing out of position with no forwards. Just imagine nofa and DWZ chalking up those meters in our team together! For 3-400k and swap with Joey leilua, make it happen!!

They would be one of the slowest wing combinations in the NRL. A big no thanks. Wingers also need to possess pace and outstanding finishing and not just 10 metres out.

DWZ should not be blocking one of our good youngsters from a wing position. Good young players who even at their age offer more than simply hitting the ball up like a second row forward. Thank goodness Sheens is coming so we can have some innovative thinking aboard HMAS Weststigers.

We are struggling now and don't see any younger wingers ready to step up into 1st grade for at least 18 months. Enter a Rep player that has captained his country under our current coach, 25 years old(still young) , 6 foot 1 and wait for it ..... getting him for 300-400k is an bargain.. If it doesn't work out then who cares as its not like it for 4 years on 700k. He could play better then TT hands down on the wing so its a YES for me.

One of the problems we have had in our backline is lack of pace. Why do you want 2 error prone slow wingers?

Good point but there is no experienced wingers out there with pace we can get.. JAC would of been excellent but also would cost 600k++ . Maybe Madge is thinking lets get DWZ as an experienced winger until we find a fast up and comer we can put there.
I'm no recruitment guru but I do trust the decisions been made at the club as most of them have turned out well in this building process.

Yeah but why would you want to sign DWZ for 2 years on pretty good money (even subsidised) just for the hell of it? I'd rather keep JTJ there until we find that up and comer.

we still need depth and having DWZ or JTJ as back up is far more preferable than running out cini again and getting him bombed to death and destroying his confidence
plus DWZ offer fullback coverage should mbye go and laurie goes down, as far as i know nobody is a capable fullback coverage from lower grades or first grade
as a squad of 30, DWZ and JTJ on a combine 600-700k isn't a bad deal in my books when you look at the experience they have, the coverage DWZ offers and the fact that none of the juniors are really ready for that step up

$400k is a lot of money for a back up winger.

or you could look at it like he is starting for 400k and JTJ who really hasn't shown that much to warrant a walk up jersey is a good back up at 200k (he has provided good ROI for the last few weeks)
we have packer running around reserves on a lot more than 400k, along with BJ
eels have fergo running around reserves
broncos had milf on 1mill
ese'ese reserves

id rather have a 400k DWZ running around reserves as a capable back up than any of them

And the signings of Packer and BJ have been complete failures, as have the other players you mentioned. We should be trying desperately to avoid those types of signings, and DWZ is exactly that type of signing.

I don't want anyone running around in reserve grade on $400k unless they are working their way back from an injury.

Isn’t BJ on that kinda money playing reserve grade? So the question is would u prefer him or DWZ. I know most peoples opinions would be neither but if that’s the options which would u prefer ?

How about neither

How about moving onwards and upwards

I agree with neither but I think that’s what they’re discussing isn’t it?

 

[Roar_Power]

Kind of feel all this DWZ talk is to put pressure on the Broncos to release Isaako.

Nothing more.

He was completely dropped this week so wouldn't surprise me if something is happening there....

 

[AdelaideTiger]

When do the remaining roster spots need to be filled by? And are the Tigers able to front load existing contracts if they have space in the salary cap once the top 30 are filled?

 

[earl]

I don’t want anyone running around in reserve grade on $400k unless they are working their way back from an injury.

We have to stop this happening right. I reckon DWZ could be a decent signing but if he ends up in reserve grade it's not a good signing. If he kills it in first grade it's a good signing.

We need a winger. I reckon JTJ should be fighting it out for a centre spot. I reckon he is going to get caught out soon. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[happy_tiger]

Just checked DWZ stats and he’s scored 5 tries in 9 games and averages 167m a game, that’s 20 more meters than nofa! All that in a dogs team Playing out of position with no forwards. Just imagine nofa and DWZ chalking up those meters in our team together! For 3-400k and swap with Joey leilua, make it happen!!

They would be one of the slowest wing combinations in the NRL. A big no thanks. Wingers also need to possess pace and outstanding finishing and not just 10 metres out.

DWZ should not be blocking one of our good youngsters from a wing position. Good young players who even at their age offer more than simply hitting the ball up like a second row forward. Thank goodness Sheens is coming so we can have some innovative thinking aboard HMAS Weststigers.

We are struggling now and don't see any younger wingers ready to step up into 1st grade for at least 18 months. Enter a Rep player that has captained his country under our current coach, 25 years old(still young) , 6 foot 1 and wait for it ..... getting him for 300-400k is an bargain.. If it doesn't work out then who cares as its not like it for 4 years on 700k. He could play better then TT hands down on the wing so its a YES for me.

One of the problems we have had in our backline is lack of pace. Why do you want 2 error prone slow wingers?

Good point but there is no experienced wingers out there with pace we can get.. JAC would of been excellent but also would cost 600k++ . Maybe Madge is thinking lets get DWZ as an experienced winger until we find a fast up and comer we can put there.
I'm no recruitment guru but I do trust the decisions been made at the club as most of them have turned out well in this building process.

Yeah but why would you want to sign DWZ for 2 years on pretty good money (even subsidised) just for the hell of it? I'd rather keep JTJ there until we find that up and comer.

we still need depth and having DWZ or JTJ as back up is far more preferable than running out cini again and getting him bombed to death and destroying his confidence
plus DWZ offer fullback coverage should mbye go and laurie goes down, as far as i know nobody is a capable fullback coverage from lower grades or first grade
as a squad of 30, DWZ and JTJ on a combine 600-700k isn't a bad deal in my books when you look at the experience they have, the coverage DWZ offers and the fact that none of the juniors are really ready for that step up

$400k is a lot of money for a back up winger.

or you could look at it like he is starting for 400k and JTJ who really hasn't shown that much to warrant a walk up jersey is a good back up at 200k (he has provided good ROI for the last few weeks)
we have packer running around reserves on a lot more than 400k, along with BJ
eels have fergo running around reserves
broncos had milf on 1mill
ese'ese reserves

id rather have a 400k DWZ running around reserves as a capable back up than any of them

And the signings of Packer and BJ have been complete failures, as have the other players you mentioned. We should be trying desperately to avoid those types of signings, and DWZ is exactly that type of signing.

I don't want anyone running around in reserve grade on $400k unless they are working their way back from an injury.

if DWZ comes he will be starting in my opinion
JTJ has been fine the other week, possibly last week too. but the other 6 games or so he has played he was invisible for the most part, be that his fault or the halves not getting him any ball.
If 400k is too much to have in reserve grade we run a 400k winger and have JTJ on 200k in reserves who is capable to play wing and centre if needed
we all want a gun winger but there's too few on the market and even less of them want to come here at the moment

But is DWZ better than Roberts? I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Roberts the past two games and I haven’t liked what I’ve seen from DWZ in years. High risk, low reward signing.

Yep we still haven't been able to get roberts in space yet, which i am most looking forward to with him on the wing. Is doing his job nicely

I have to agree that he is doing well on the wing,however I would have loved to see him get early ball when he was in the centres,flying machine getting in the right frame of mind while with us....

Twice on Friday if someone was looking he scores long range tries ..early in the 2nd half if Mbye looks right ...try time from 60 out

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Kind of feel all this DWZ talk is to put pressure on the Broncos to release Isaako.

Nothing more.

I’d much rather Isaako. At times he scores tries for the broncos when there’s absolutely positively nothing on . They are a rabble .
He can’t create for others , but he can definitely create for himself and beat his man . Perfect for a winger .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

When do the remaining roster spots need to be filled by? And are the Tigers able to front load existing contracts if they have space in the salary cap once the top 30 are filled?

July 31st I think . It was pushed back this year for whatever reason .

 

[earl]

There was an play where Doueihi picked up a loose ball with space on the weekend, his 1st instinct was to look inside for support. If he had of looked outside, which should have been his 1st reaction, Roberts was unmarked and we would have seen how quick he is over 80 mtrs.

To be fair to JTJ I can also see him having a break out game. Doueihi needs to work on that part of his game. I still see him as our long term 6.

We need outside backs. We've been pretty poor there this season and I reckon Doueihi is playing there because at least we get a threat out wide. Mbye doesn't offer that threat. BJ isn't worth keeping on big dollars so he goes. JTJ stays because he isn't on huge dollars and he is definitely an option in the outside backs. We still need some better options there though.

 

[happy_tiger]

Kind of feel all this DWZ talk is to put pressure on the Broncos to release Isaako.

Nothing more.

I’d much rather Isaako. At times he scores tries for the broncos when there’s absolutely positively nothing on . They are a rabble .
He can’t create for others , but he can definitely create for himself and beat his man . Perfect for a winger .

Isaako can win you a game ...but he can lose you a game as well ...gotta get rid of the brainfarts ...the Dufty try was a perfect example

 

[avocadoontoast]

Kind of feel all this DWZ talk is to put pressure on the Broncos to release Isaako.

Nothing more.

I’d much rather Isaako. At times he scores tries for the broncos when there’s absolutely positively nothing on . They are a rabble .
He can’t create for others , but he can definitely create for himself and beat his man . Perfect for a winger .

Isaako can win you a game ...but he can lose you a game as well ...gotta get rid of the brainfarts ...the Dufty try was a perfect example

That was horrible.

 

[JC99]

There was an play where Doueihi picked up a loose ball with space on the weekend, his 1st instinct was to look inside for support. If he had of looked outside, which should have been his 1st reaction, Roberts was unmarked and we would have seen how quick he is over 80 mtrs.

It was first or second tackle and near the sideline, not worth risking it. He runs himself a lot but he's got 10 try assists (only one less than brooks) and quite a few tries to add to that. Can't say he's blown any wide open clear cut tries this year

 

[finnzo]

If people aren’t keen on dwz do use think we should sign Blake Ferguson instead?

 

[PabloX]

Just checked DWZ stats and he’s scored 5 tries in 9 games and averages 167m a game, that’s 20 more meters than nofa! All that in a dogs team Playing out of position with no forwards. Just imagine nofa and DWZ chalking up those meters in our team together! For 3-400k and swap with Joey leilua, make it happen!!

They would be one of the slowest wing combinations in the NRL. A big no thanks. Wingers also need to possess pace and outstanding finishing and not just 10 metres out.

DWZ should not be blocking one of our good youngsters from a wing position. Good young players who even at their age offer more than simply hitting the ball up like a second row forward. Thank goodness Sheens is coming so we can have some innovative thinking aboard HMAS Weststigers.

We are struggling now and don't see any younger wingers ready to step up into 1st grade for at least 18 months. Enter a Rep player that has captained his country under our current coach, 25 years old(still young) , 6 foot 1 and wait for it ..... getting him for 300-400k is an bargain.. If it doesn't work out then who cares as its not like it for 4 years on 700k. He could play better then TT hands down on the wing so its a YES for me.

One of the problems we have had in our backline is lack of pace. Why do you want 2 error prone slow wingers?

Good point but there is no experienced wingers out there with pace we can get.. JAC would of been excellent but also would cost 600k++ . Maybe Madge is thinking lets get DWZ as an experienced winger until we find a fast up and comer we can put there.
I'm no recruitment guru but I do trust the decisions been made at the club as most of them have turned out well in this building process.

Yeah but why would you want to sign DWZ for 2 years on pretty good money (even subsidised) just for the hell of it? I'd rather keep JTJ there until we find that up and comer.

we still need depth and having DWZ or JTJ as back up is far more preferable than running out cini again and getting him bombed to death and destroying his confidence
plus DWZ offer fullback coverage should mbye go and laurie goes down, as far as i know nobody is a capable fullback coverage from lower grades or first grade
as a squad of 30, DWZ and JTJ on a combine 600-700k isn't a bad deal in my books when you look at the experience they have, the coverage DWZ offers and the fact that none of the juniors are really ready for that step up

$400k is a lot of money for a back up winger.

or you could look at it like he is starting for 400k and JTJ who really hasn't shown that much to warrant a walk up jersey is a good back up at 200k (he has provided good ROI for the last few weeks)
we have packer running around reserves on a lot more than 400k, along with BJ
eels have fergo running around reserves
broncos had milf on 1mill
ese'ese reserves

id rather have a 400k DWZ running around reserves as a capable back up than any of them

The days of having players on top money playing reserve grade are almost over ..unless there coming back from an injury

Jimmy the jet is doing fine atm

DWZ is a nuffie ..plays the ball the wrong way & drops balls ..

Not what we need on $400k+ and why should we help the dogs out ?

They signed him on ludicrous money so they can deal with him .

that's the problem, it's not helping the dogs out, they are paying 50% of his contract roughly and he isn't playing for them, we all whinge and whine when we let a player go and have to pay part of their contract so surely receiving a player that is heavily subsidised is a win
it's a squad of 30 though and we showed the panthers what happens when your squad is 17 with a 13 fill ins

We showed the Panthers? You're kidding right? They've barely lost a game in two years...Lucky for them Origin isn't played during the finals

 

[TheDaBoss]

If people aren’t keen on dwz do use think we should sign Blake Ferguson instead?

Mmmm no

Needs a nose job

 

[Geo]

Just checked DWZ stats and he’s scored 5 tries in 9 games and averages 167m a game, that’s 20 more meters than nofa! All that in a dogs team Playing out of position with no forwards. Just imagine nofa and DWZ chalking up those meters in our team together! For 3-400k and swap with Joey leilua, make it happen!!

They would be one of the slowest wing combinations in the NRL. A big no thanks. Wingers also need to possess pace and outstanding finishing and not just 10 metres out.

DWZ should not be blocking one of our good youngsters from a wing position. Good young players who even at their age offer more than simply hitting the ball up like a second row forward. Thank goodness Sheens is coming so we can have some innovative thinking aboard HMAS Weststigers.

We are struggling now and don't see any younger wingers ready to step up into 1st grade for at least 18 months. Enter a Rep player that has captained his country under our current coach, 25 years old(still young) , 6 foot 1 and wait for it ..... getting him for 300-400k is an bargain.. If it doesn't work out then who cares as its not like it for 4 years on 700k. He could play better then TT hands down on the wing so its a YES for me.

One of the problems we have had in our backline is lack of pace. Why do you want 2 error prone slow wingers?

Good point but there is no experienced wingers out there with pace we can get.. JAC would of been excellent but also would cost 600k++ . Maybe Madge is thinking lets get DWZ as an experienced winger until we find a fast up and comer we can put there.
I'm no recruitment guru but I do trust the decisions been made at the club as most of them have turned out well in this building process.

Yeah but why would you want to sign DWZ for 2 years on pretty good money (even subsidised) just for the hell of it? I'd rather keep JTJ there until we find that up and comer.

we still need depth and having DWZ or JTJ as back up is far more preferable than running out cini again and getting him bombed to death and destroying his confidence
plus DWZ offer fullback coverage should mbye go and laurie goes down, as far as i know nobody is a capable fullback coverage from lower grades or first grade
as a squad of 30, DWZ and JTJ on a combine 600-700k isn't a bad deal in my books when you look at the experience they have, the coverage DWZ offers and the fact that none of the juniors are really ready for that step up

$400k is a lot of money for a back up winger.

or you could look at it like he is starting for 400k and JTJ who really hasn't shown that much to warrant a walk up jersey is a good back up at 200k (he has provided good ROI for the last few weeks)
we have packer running around reserves on a lot more than 400k, along with BJ
eels have fergo running around reserves
broncos had milf on 1mill
ese'ese reserves

id rather have a 400k DWZ running around reserves as a capable back up than any of them

The days of having players on top money playing reserve grade are almost over ..unless there coming back from an injury

Jimmy the jet is doing fine atm

DWZ is a nuffie ..plays the ball the wrong way & drops balls ..

Not what we need on $400k+ and why should we help the dogs out ?

They signed him on ludicrous money so they can deal with him .

that's the problem, it's not helping the dogs out, they are paying 50% of his contract roughly and he isn't playing for them, we all whinge and whine when we let a player go and have to pay part of their contract so surely receiving a player that is heavily subsidised is a win
it's a squad of 30 though and we showed the panthers what happens when your squad is 17 with a 13 fill ins

But I don’t rate DWZ ..
He makes more mistakes than Nofo and Talau combined ..

and just on his errors, going off this (only cause i don't know where else to see the stats for any individual)
https://www.nrlsupercoachstats.com/ for DWZ down the very bottom his average error count for 2021 is -1.6 points (1.6 errors/game) vs nofo and TT both at 2.2

1.6 errors a game is pretty bad saying the dogs get lapped every week ?

yet its less than both nofo and talua individually where you threw out a random stat saying that he makes more than those two combined
last year nofo and DWZ stats were reversed and TT still 2.2
and 2019 they were the same error count (nofo and DWZ)

I'm not saying DWZ is the answer to our backline, but he's a lot better than we have available to us

its hard to judge a player coming from a team that has sat at the bottom of the table for as long as the dogs have, especially when its a back. nobody from the dogs team is worth getting excited about
To me, it's the opposite of the storm, you sign a guy from the storm he is more likely to go down hill. You sign a guy from the dogs, chances are he performs better.
smith, harper, morris bros
it's worth the risk in my books

I'd prefer Roberts

I still say Roberts is a centre, we need to stop trying to manufacture players, just buy a winger or develop one. On the 1.6 errors per game for DWZ, Liddle has made more than that since he come back and everybody is praising him.

Hooker is the hardest position though

Playing wing is a breeze

Most of DWZ errors would have occurred playing fullback, and if wing is a breeze, why do we have so many who can't manage it

I’d prefer we kept Jimmy ..
Ask the coach ?

So would I, but Jimmy is a centre

Easier transition..
But DWZ is a nuffie

I've cut Bulldogs games from the RL viewing schedule which is sad in itself for someone who used to watch every game...so I haven't watched DWZ much this year can't comment on his nuffieness...even they have their day..

 

[Blake]

Just checked DWZ stats and he’s scored 5 tries in 9 games and averages 167m a game, that’s 20 more meters than nofa! All that in a dogs team Playing out of position with no forwards. Just imagine nofa and DWZ chalking up those meters in our team together! For 3-400k and swap with Joey leilua, make it happen!!

Thank god I'm not the only one supporting this idea..
100% he would make us a better team on the wing where it is his best position..
people need to get out of there heads that he won't play FB with us and also we will not be paying him 850k..

Mbye and AD can cover fullback but it would cause a lot of disruption to move either of them. Someone like DWZ or Isaako on the wing and covering fullback in case of injury or suspension makes sense to me.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Just checked DWZ stats and he’s scored 5 tries in 9 games and averages 167m a game, that’s 20 more meters than nofa! All that in a dogs team Playing out of position with no forwards. Just imagine nofa and DWZ chalking up those meters in our team together! For 3-400k and swap with Joey leilua, make it happen!!

They would be one of the slowest wing combinations in the NRL. A big no thanks. Wingers also need to possess pace and outstanding finishing and not just 10 metres out.

DWZ should not be blocking one of our good youngsters from a wing position. Good young players who even at their age offer more than simply hitting the ball up like a second row forward. Thank goodness Sheens is coming so we can have some innovative thinking aboard HMAS Weststigers.

Having been to many Reggie games this year the constant call that the younger up and comers would be blocked by external signings is odd.
To be frank I have seen no one that this would affect there certainly is no standouts that's for sure, watching a depleted Panther side at Lidcombe on the weekend this would certainly be the case for them .
Signing externally is certainly needed at this stage .. Jersey fleg players look most likely moving forward.

Agree although Fitzgibbon is improving and Israel Ogden looks classy every time I've seen him play..that's not to say signing DWZ would block them .. not that I like the DWZ signing at all but can see why Wests Tigers would..more downside for me than the wishful upside..

Pauga has real zip and great step. He looks like a very good find for WTs.

 

[cochise]

If people aren’t keen on dwz do use think we should sign Blake Ferguson instead?

No

 

[Demps]

If people aren’t keen on dwz do use think we should sign Blake Ferguson instead?

No

X2

Saw Douihei was hanging out with Nic Cotric today....

Maybe we can ditch the DWZ deal and get Nic instead ?