Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jirskyr]

This is hilarious. So you can predict the future ? If anyone was giving me a realistic window in which to win the comp I’d run the other way.

Yeah I call BS if a club tries to tell me they are on the verge of winning the comp. Well maybe Melbourne are allowed to say it.

 

[cochise]

There is a lot of talk about light at the end of the tunnel but little doing. Makes me believe they are all talk.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Is just the freight train coming your way

I think the most quotable part of that song is actually

"Then it comes to be yeah yeah, then it *comes* to be yeah yeah,
then it ***comes*** to be yeah yeah, then it comes to beee yeeaaah,
then it COMES to be-eh yeah, then it comes to be yeah
then it comes to be yeah yeah, then it comes to beeeeee yeaaaaaaaaah"

In the Jimmy Hetfield style

Only one person could sing that lol

 

[jirskyr]

Been saying it for years, the salary cap disadvantages the lower teams because they have to pay overs so the get less bang for their cap

got any solutions?

Well the solution to that comment is handicapping - you get less salary cap to work with the better your results, like they do in horse racing.

Unfortunately totally not implementable with the way football contracts and pre-seasons work.

But I think @supercoach is only looking at half the equation - what chance at all would lower teams have to get any decent players, even at overs, if not for the salary cap forcing top teams to shed them? Teams like Penrith Panthers aren't losing quality players for the fun of it.

You remove the salary cap, you hand the premiership to the top handful of rich clubs who simply build never-ending dynasties based solely upon $$$ and buying everyone's best players. Look at the English Premier League if you want to see what happens in a competition with no true salary cap and no draft system.

That's why Melbourne are so remarkable - can get good consistent results out of even the low-paid players. Then when those players move for bigger contracts, they get upskill the next budget guy.

 

[yeahcaz]

Instead I’m in a world where broncos and bulldogs fans are messaging me saying “far out I feel sorry for you”

Well your friends are peanuts because we have as many wins as both those clubs combined, as horrid as we are.

But they’re expected to be bad. Not to mention both are in the midst of a major clean out. Both of those teams both had more of a dig against the storm than us

 

[jirskyr]

There is a lot of talk about light at the end of the tunnel but little doing. Makes me believe they are all talk.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Is just the freight train coming your way

I think the most quotable part of that song is actually

"Then it comes to be yeah yeah, then it *comes* to be yeah yeah,
then it ***comes*** to be yeah yeah, then it comes to beee yeeaaah,
then it COMES to be-eh yeah, then it comes to be yeah
then it comes to be yeah yeah, then it comes to beeeeee yeaaaaaaaaah"

In the Jimmy Hetfield style

Only one person could sing that lol

If you added up all the "yeahs" in all the Metallica songs, can you get to a million?

 

[jirskyr]

There is a lot of talk about light at the end of the tunnel but little doing. Makes me believe they are all talk.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Is just the freight train coming your way

I think the most quotable part of that song is actually

"Then it comes to be yeah yeah, then it *comes* to be yeah yeah,
then it ***comes*** to be yeah yeah, then it comes to beee yeeaaah,
then it COMES to be-eh yeah, then it comes to be yeah
then it comes to be yeah yeah, then it comes to beeeeee yeaaaaaaaaah"

In the Jimmy Hetfield style

Only one person could sing that lol

If you added up all the "yeahs" in all the Metallica songs, can you get to a million?

https://soundcloud.com/kcclips/hetfield-grunts

 

[gregjm87]

Been saying it for years, the salary cap disadvantages the lower teams because they have to pay overs so the get less bang for their cap

got any solutions?

Well the solution to that comment is handicapping - you get less salary cap to work with the better your results, like they do in horse racing.

Unfortunately totally not implementable with the way football contracts and pre-seasons work.

But I think @supercoach is only looking at half the equation - what chance at all would lower teams have to get any decent players, even at overs, if not for the salary cap forcing top teams to shed them? Teams like Penrith Panthers aren't losing quality players for the fun of it.

You remove the salary cap, you hand the premiership to the top handful of rich clubs who simply build never-ending dynasties based solely upon $$$ and buying everyone's best players. Look at the English Premier League if you want to see what happens in a competition with no true salary cap and no draft system.

That's why Melbourne are so remarkable - can get good consistent results out of even the low-paid players. Then when those players move for bigger contracts, they get upskill the next budget guy.

Agree, with the point that the cap also forces teams to shed players. The only solution i have ever come up with is the same as yours but working the other way; give the bottom teams more cap space for the following 3 years.
e.g.
15th-16th get 15% the following year, 10% year after than 5% the 3rd. Should allow a couple extra signings and the chance to keep them for a little while.
13th-14th get 10%, 7.5% 5%
9th-12th a marquee signing allowance, one signing the following year not included in that years cap (would probably need to put a limit on this but).

The main pushback ive got from this is that people dont like seeing players change clubs (which happens anyway) and encourages tanking at the end of the year. But havent heard any other suggestions.

 

[tiger_one]

There is a lot of talk about light at the end of the tunnel but little doing. Makes me believe they are all talk.

That light is an oncoming out of control steam train!

 

[jirskyr]

Instead I’m in a world where broncos and bulldogs fans are messaging me saying “far out I feel sorry for you”

Well your friends are peanuts because we have as many wins as both those clubs combined, as horrid as we are.

But they’re expected to be bad. Not to mention both are in the midst of a major clean out. Both of those teams both had more of a dig against the storm than us

If your Doggies and Broncos friends have conned you into accepting that "expecting to be bad" is better than "hoping for better and still doing bad", then that madness is on you.

And what is worse? Not having a dig and getting annihilated, or "having a dig" and getting annihilated anyway? At least, if your team finds the way to have a dig, you might actually start winning. Having a dig and still losing - there is absolutely nowhere to go with that.

I'll let the proof be in the pudding for these Broncos and Bulldogs rebuilds.

 

[jirskyr]

Been saying it for years, the salary cap disadvantages the lower teams because they have to pay overs so the get less bang for their cap

got any solutions?

Well the solution to that comment is handicapping - you get less salary cap to work with the better your results, like they do in horse racing.

Unfortunately totally not implementable with the way football contracts and pre-seasons work.

But I think @supercoach is only looking at half the equation - what chance at all would lower teams have to get any decent players, even at overs, if not for the salary cap forcing top teams to shed them? Teams like Penrith Panthers aren't losing quality players for the fun of it.

You remove the salary cap, you hand the premiership to the top handful of rich clubs who simply build never-ending dynasties based solely upon $$$ and buying everyone's best players. Look at the English Premier League if you want to see what happens in a competition with no true salary cap and no draft system.

That's why Melbourne are so remarkable - can get good consistent results out of even the low-paid players. Then when those players move for bigger contracts, they get upskill the next budget guy.

Agree, with the point that the cap also forces teams to shed players. The only solution i have ever come up with is the same as yours but working the other way; give the bottom teams more cap space for the following 3 years.
e.g.
15th-16th get 15% the following year, 10% year after than 5% the 3rd. Should allow a couple extra signings and the chance to keep them for a little while.
13th-14th get 10%, 7.5% 5%
9th-12th a marquee signing allowance, one signing the following year not included in that years cap (would probably need to put a limit on this but).

The main pushback ive got from this is that people dont like seeing players change clubs (which happens anyway) and encourages tanking at the end of the year. But havent heard any other suggestions.

I just thought of that now, I agree it might work, give the lower sides more. AFL has done it with the new teams for some time, given them allowances until they become competitive?

Only question is how does a team coming last then use that 15% for the following season? Typically the good players are all tied up in the offseason. And if you commit salary cap in anticipation of coming last, but you don't come last, what then?

 

[gallagher]

Been saying it for years, the salary cap disadvantages the lower teams because they have to pay overs so the get less bang for their cap

got any solutions?

Well the solution to that comment is handicapping - you get less salary cap to work with the better your results, like they do in horse racing.

Unfortunately totally not implementable with the way football contracts and pre-seasons work.

But I think @supercoach is only looking at half the equation - what chance at all would lower teams have to get any decent players, even at overs, if not for the salary cap forcing top teams to shed them? Teams like Penrith Panthers aren't losing quality players for the fun of it.

You remove the salary cap, you hand the premiership to the top handful of rich clubs who simply build never-ending dynasties based solely upon $$$ and buying everyone's best players. Look at the English Premier League if you want to see what happens in a competition with no true salary cap and no draft system.

That's why Melbourne are so remarkable - can get good consistent results out of even the low-paid players. Then when those players move for bigger contracts, they get upskill the next budget guy.

Agree, with the point that the cap also forces teams to shed players. The only solution i have ever come up with is the same as yours but working the other way; give the bottom teams more cap space for the following 3 years.
e.g.
15th-16th get 15% the following year, 10% year after than 5% the 3rd. Should allow a couple extra signings and the chance to keep them for a little while.
13th-14th get 10%, 7.5% 5%
9th-12th a marquee signing allowance, one signing the following year not included in that years cap (would probably need to put a limit on this but).

The main pushback ive got from this is that people dont like seeing players change clubs (which happens anyway) and encourages tanking at the end of the year. But havent heard any other suggestions.

Geez, may aswell give crap teams a point start each week.

 

[the_third]

Why would anyone want to sign here ? Genuine question.

To play first grade and win the comp. It can be turned around pretty easily with quality players. If I was a quality player it'd be really easy for me to sign up to the Tigers. If my son was a quality player I'd push him to sign with the Tigers.

Really? What would draw you to us?

Pretty simple - playing first grade and winning the comp. What is wrong with that ? Honestly I don't see any valid counter argument.

But if other clubs want you aswell? I can see players come here if it's their only choice but that's no choice at all.

agree, its not just an issue for our club but competition wide.
Why are the Storm, Roosters consistently at the top? They get the choice of the elite young talent because those young players know they are walking straight into a strong team. They then also then get their pick of the talent who have been around a while but never won anything as they want to go to a strong team for a shot at a title. Finally, they can generally keep their top players because they have been successful at that club they feel a sense of belonging there.

The lower teams however need to pay massive overs to attract talent. But they are then instantly disadvantaged as their salary cap is now disproportional and can not sign enough elite talent to field a strong team. So they continue to underperform and remain a lower team.

Been saying it for years, the salary cap disadvantages the lower teams because they have to pay overs so the get less bang for their cap

got any solutions?

invest in youth - exactly as we are doing

 

[finnzo]

Any 1 know what’s happening with russel packer? He has to be the worst signing in history

 

[voice_of_reason]

We need to fix our edges. It's our weakest area.

Our edges aren't great but most of the points last night were through the middle. Neither of their wingers scored and their centre only scored through a ball dropped at his feet.

This is not to suggest the edges are excused. It's fairly apparent we're not defending as a unit. No-one seems to know what the guy next to them is doing and it snowballs from the middle to the edge.

 

[cochise]

Any 1 know what’s happening with russel packer? He has to be the worst signing in history

He will be gone in a couple of months

 

[weststigerman]

There is a lot of talk about light at the end of the tunnel but little doing. Makes me believe they are all talk.

I remember Marina Go saying exactly the same thing almost exactly 5 years ago.

 

[supercoach]

Why would anyone want to sign here ? Genuine question.

To play first grade and win the comp. It can be turned around pretty easily with quality players. If I was a quality player it'd be really easy for me to sign up to the Tigers. If my son was a quality player I'd push him to sign with the Tigers.

Really? What would draw you to us?

Pretty simple - playing first grade and winning the comp. What is wrong with that ? Honestly I don't see any valid counter argument.

But if other clubs want you aswell? I can see players come here if it's their only choice but that's no choice at all.

agree, its not just an issue for our club but competition wide.
Why are the Storm, Roosters consistently at the top? They get the choice of the elite young talent because those young players know they are walking straight into a strong team. They then also then get their pick of the talent who have been around a while but never won anything as they want to go to a strong team for a shot at a title. Finally, they can generally keep their top players because they have been successful at that club they feel a sense of belonging there.

The lower teams however need to pay massive overs to attract talent. But they are then instantly disadvantaged as their salary cap is now disproportional and can not sign enough elite talent to field a strong team. So they continue to underperform and remain a lower team.

Been saying it for years, the salary cap disadvantages the lower teams because they have to pay overs so the get less bang for their cap

got any solutions?

I have but I have been down this track a million times on this forum and others…basically every club is given 1000 points and every player no matter what you pay them is graded by some means..ie Australian rep,SOO rep, 200 gamer,first year rookie. So all your 30 players are given a grade by the NRL and have to fit within the 1000 points. That ensures you have a level playing field, because at present the playing field is not flat. It would stop teams getting advantages out of TPAs. Anyway not worth debating, because it will not happen. The NRL is controlled by people with self interests

 

[the_third]

Instead I’m in a world where broncos and bulldogs fans are messaging me saying “far out I feel sorry for you”

Well your friends are peanuts because we have as many wins as both those clubs combined, as horrid as we are.

But they’re expected to be bad. Not to mention both are in the midst of a major clean out. Both of those teams both had more of a dig against the storm than us

BAD? Broncos are a far better roster than us, almost across the park. I'd swap the Broncos team for ours (bar couple) in a flash. on paper they are far far far better than us, yet need a clean out?

your friends are peanuts, must be Queenslanders

 

[jadtiger]

Any 1 know what’s happening with russel packer? He has to be the worst signing in history

Still collecting his money on a regular basis.

 

[voice_of_reason]

@yeahcaz said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1394501):
>Instead I’m in a world where broncos and bulldogs fans are messaging me saying “far out I feel sorry for you”

You need more discerning friends.