Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Demps]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

 

[BAGNF05]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.

 

[Demps]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

AD >

I think some people are too afraid to admit Brooks has failed us for so long, no matter who's outside Jim in the halves.


I think people who have already decided that Brooks is the problem have invented a narrative that Doueihi was moved from 6 because his "dominant" nature overplayed Brooks. Its a fabrication.

Doueihi was moved from 6 because he stagnates our attack and takes wrong options.

Do you prefer Douihei at centre than 6?


Yes I do, not sure what will happen next year if Mbye is moved on.

If Douihei stagnates the attack at 6

And some say the same when he was at centre....

Wouldn't it be the coaches job to address this issue?

I think AD can play anywhere but he's built for the 6.

Don't mind if you disagree.

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

I have no problem with that, but I dont see that Brooks has less confidence that a Townsend of many other halves. A lot of unpaid psychologists here that can read Brooks mind from 40m away.

 

[cochise]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.

He likes to engage the line and likes contact, I'm honestly not trying to have a go at the guy as I think he is a good footballer. He just has a lot to work on if he wants to play 6 long term.

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.

You just described why he should be centre.

 

[BAGNF05]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.

He likes to engage the line and likes contact, I'm honestly not trying to have a go at the guy as I think he is a good footballer. He just has a lot to work on if he wants to play 6 long term.

100% with you on this one

 

[cochise]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.

He likes to engage the line and likes contact, I'm honestly not trying to have a go at the guy as I think he is a good footballer. He just has a lot to work on if he wants to play 6 long term.

100% with you on this one

Funny enough I do think he will captain the side one day and think he will be a better leader because of the influence of Tamou.

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

AD >

I think some people are too afraid to admit Brooks has failed us for so long, no matter who's outside Jim in the halves.


I think people who have already decided that Brooks is the problem have invented a narrative that Doueihi was moved from 6 because his "dominant" nature overplayed Brooks. Its a fabrication.

Doueihi was moved from 6 because he stagnates our attack and takes wrong options.

Do you prefer Douihei at centre than 6?


Yes I do, not sure what will happen next year if Mbye is moved on.

If Douihei stagnates the attack at 6

And some say the same when he was at centre....

Wouldn't it be the coaches job to address this issue?

I think AD can play anywhere but he's built for the 6.

Don't mind if you disagree.

I think AD is probably the best footballer in the team, and probably cares the most and puts in. he has a big enough body for 6 or 4. At this stage I dont think he has the mindset for 6. I am actually concerned about him. He IS a very good player, but not quite a good 6, might not even be a good 4. He is IMO a little but of a utility.

Reminds me of Michael Withers for the old Balmain fans which scares me a fair bit.

 

[frullens]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

I think Brooks is one of the few players trying his guts out. I've seen a lot of improvement this year. I really like brooks, want him in the team.

But after the weekends disguisting display, I just feel we need someone at 7 who takes control of the team. Who after the first or 2nd try, pulls the players in, gives them a rev up and says follow me.

Brooks isn't that player.

From what I've seen Hastings is that player. So
I'd like to see Hastings at 7 next year.

I would love to see Brooks running at 6.

I'd like to see Deouhi get his hands on the ball more and still have a licence to kick. If that's at centre, lock or going to 6.

 

[BAGNF05]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.


You just described why he should be centre.

And I think this would have played into Madges decision but I’d give him another crack at some point and give him instructions to be more selfish if the early ball is not on.

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.


You just described why he should be centre.

And I think this would have played into Madges decision but I’d give him another crack at some point and give him instructions to be more selfish if the early ball is not on.

I dont think Doueihi is hopeless at 6 and Im sure he will get another go there, but I think for now (IMO the rest of the season particularly if we have a mathematical chance at the 8) he is better at centre than 6 and Mbye is better for the team at 6.

The other thing that no one is considering in this discussion of whether AD should be at 6, are centres are RUBBISH and Mbye at 6 strengthens one of our centre spots.

 

[cochise]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

I think Brooks is one of the few players trying his guts out. I've seen a lot of improvement this year. I really like brooks, want him in the team.

But after the weekends disguisting display, I just feel we need someone at 7 who takes control of the team. Who after the first or 2nd try, pulls the players in, gives them a rev up and says follow me.

Brooks isn't that player.

From what I've seen Hastings is that player. So
I'd like to see Hastings at 7 next year.

I would love to see Brooks running at 6.

I'd like to see Deouhi get his hands on the ball more and still have a licence to kick. If that's at centre, lock or going to 6.

No 7 would have helped change the game on Saturday, we were down 30-0 by the time we got the ball.

 

[BAGNF05]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.


You just described why he should be centre.

And I think this would have played into Madges decision but I’d give him another crack at some point and give him instructions to be more selfish if the early ball is not on.


I dont think Doueihi is hopeless at 6 and Im sure he will get another go there, but I think for now (IMO the rest of the season particularly if we have a mathematical chance at the 8) he is better at centre than 6 and Mbye is better for the team at 6.

The other thing that no one is considering in this discussion of whether AD should be at 6, are centres are RUBBISH and Mbye at 6 strengthens one of our centre spots.

Right we’ve worked out how we score a few more points. Now how do we stop 66 ?

 

[frullens]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.


I have no problem with that, but I dont see that Brooks has less confidence that a Townsend of many other halves. A lot of unpaid psychologists here that can read Brooks mind from 40m away.

I'm not saying Brooks isn't a good half. He is. I'm a big supporter of Brooksy

I'm just asking the question is Brooks the half that Wests Tigers need at this stage?

Put Brooksy in a team with stronger forward pack with more leadership around him (like cronulla have had) and its a very different situation.

Yes he's playing well. Yes he's a good half.
But we have won 5 games out of 15, and our squad isn't going to change very much next year.

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

We did this already

1, Melbourne - Munster, confident half
2, Penrith - Cleary and Romey, confident halves
3, Parramatta, Moses - Confident half
4, South's- Walker and Josh, confident halves

Look at the bottom teams...

Broncos, none
Dogs, none

Coincidence?
I think not...

Winning teams always have confident, talkative leaders in their important positions.

I think Brooks is one of the few players trying his guts out. I've seen a lot of improvement this year. I really like brooks, want him in the team.

But after the weekends disguisting display, I just feel we need someone at 7 who takes control of the team. Who after the first or 2nd try, pulls the players in, gives them a rev up and says follow me.

Brooks isn't that player.

From what I've seen Hastings is that player. So
I'd like to see Hastings at 7 next year.

I would love to see Brooks running at 6.

I'd like to see Deouhi get his hands on the ball more and still have a licence to kick. If that's at centre, lock or going to 6.

No 7 would have helped change the game on Saturday, we were down 30-0 by the time we got the ball.

Brooks has seriously been our best player for about 6 weeks now.

If we lose Brooks, people will really appreciate quickly how much defence he does.

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.


You just described why he should be centre.

And I think this would have played into Madges decision but I’d give him another crack at some point and give him instructions to be more selfish if the early ball is not on.


I dont think Doueihi is hopeless at 6 and Im sure he will get another go there, but I think for now (IMO the rest of the season particularly if we have a mathematical chance at the 8) he is better at centre than 6 and Mbye is better for the team at 6.

The other thing that no one is considering in this discussion of whether AD should be at 6, are centres are RUBBISH and Mbye at 6 strengthens one of our centre spots.

Right we’ve worked out how we score a few more points. Now how do we stop 66 ?

Are you making the case that Doueihi is a good defender at 6?

IMO Mbye & Doueihi defence are on a par.

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.


I have no problem with that, but I dont see that Brooks has less confidence that a Townsend of many other halves. A lot of unpaid psychologists here that can read Brooks mind from 40m away.

I'm not saying Brooks isn't a good half. He is. I'm a big supporter of Brooksy

I'm just asking the question is Brooks the half that Wests Tigers need at this stage?

Put Brooksy in a team with stronger forward pack with more leadership around him (like cronulla have had) and its a very different situation.

Yes he's playing well. Yes he's a good half.
But we have won 5 games out of 15, and our squad isn't going to change very much next year.

Then we need to change the squad. Brooks is a good half, probably in the top half of the comp. I dont think people realise how hard it will be to replace him with someone better. You think its hard getting a good second rower to come here??!?!?

 

[cochise]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

Yeah he is a bit awkward too I guess, I see him change his mind a lot which stunts the play when on the attack. I’d like to see him give early ball or try and run over someone, just simplify it.


You just described why he should be centre.

And I think this would have played into Madges decision but I’d give him another crack at some point and give him instructions to be more selfish if the early ball is not on.


I dont think Doueihi is hopeless at 6 and Im sure he will get another go there, but I think for now (IMO the rest of the season particularly if we have a mathematical chance at the 8) he is better at centre than 6 and Mbye is better for the team at 6.

The other thing that no one is considering in this discussion of whether AD should be at 6, are centres are RUBBISH and Mbye at 6 strengthens one of our centre spots.

Right we’ve worked out how we score a few more points. Now how do we stop 66 ?


Are you making the case that Doueihi is a good defender at 6?

IMO Mbye & Doueihi defence are on a par.

I think Mbye's front on defence is better but he gets himself in the wrong position more than AD does.

 

[the_third]

Morris never impressed me as a coach. He definitely got booted too soon but they could've done better than they did under him. 6 wins out of 20 games last year is not overly impressive

Flanagan is the most proven head coach but he's the cause of a lot of drama and hasn't coached in a while. Realistically we would have to look at elite assistant coaches who want the opportunity of coaching first grade but why sacrifice your career by coming here? Our options for a coach are very slim if we look to replace Madge.

Last year he was 10 wins 10 losses. Made the top 8.

True, for some reason the ladder I was looking at wasn't showing the full seasons results - I still don't think sharks were a great team though. Not saying we shouldn't have a go at him, he'd make a really good assistant too if that's an option but they had a really easy draw and never beat anyone of note really and had a pretty good squad.

I think the fact there's no great coaches available will keep Madge around for next year, maybe not the whole season but at least for the start.

But that could cause major issues as Madge has a lot of cap space to work with at the start of the season. If you let him pick a bunch of players and then he gets sacked halfway through, the next coach is stuck with players Maguire has signed to long term deals that the next manager might not want

If hartigan has the final word on recruitment that will solve the issue - he won't be getting sacked along with Madge so he can decide whether a signing will benefit the future of the club regardless of coach. Hartigan seems a good judge of what the club needs and won't pay overs or sign anyone on overly long deals.

You think so I think the players have been duds

If you look at the players we've signed after hartigan got here I'd argue most of them are pretty good, albeit most of them very young.

I’m starting to think hartigan been another dud Pascoe signing

Kepaoa - from his old club - FAIL
BJ - rumoured 650K - FAIL
Jet - FAIL
Luciano - positive start but ultimately FAIL
Tamou - some would say FAIL
Re-signing Nof - lots would say FAIL
Re-signing Lids - on current form FAIL

Then there’s the top line guys who’ve brushed us. He’s no messiah that’s for sure.

Kepaoa and Luciano are definitely not fails, Roberts is on close to minimum wage, Liddle can be good but he's being asked to play too many minutes by the coach, Tamou is okay, not great but not a fail, Joey and Nofa duds.

He's also signed/re-signed:

Doueihi: GUN
Laurie: GUN
Stefano: GUN
Seyfarth: GUN
Ofahengaue: been good and made origin
Blore: massive prospect and been playing well
Jake Simpkin: big future
Tuki Simpkins: real prospect
Tuilagi: looking really good

Not every signing can be a hit but I would argue he's done a lot more good than bad. Not to mention Hastings and Gildart could do well next season too

There's some good foundations to a team here.

I strongly believe we need to recruit hard.
We got these young guns but are still short of a well rounded roster.

We need centres asap.
I hope Gildart works out but I think Jet and BJ need replacing and I'd be Iooking at Seb Kris, Harley Smith Shields from Canbrrra and sussing the lower grades of Parra for some guys who are on the fringe but stuck behind first graders like when we signed Austin, Naiqama and Taupau.

They're out there.
We just have to uncover them.


Finucan and TPJ would also be good.
Both.

If TPJ goes, what can we get from the Roosters.
I've seen Liu name thrown around and I also like Sitili ... we need to start making moves in this market because even though we have a handful of good players we need a balanced team list.

Yeah if used properly there's a strong core of young players at our club that need to be kept together to develop - we just need to sign better players from elsewhere. Finucane, Liu, HSS would all be good options.

Also #1 issue is getting some better damn defensive structures ?

Nofo needs to learn some defensive structures.
I'd be putting him on notice.

Either improve your defence or we're trading you... I'm sure Storm or Eels would be interested.
I'm sure a swap deal could be worked out.

Maybe we could swap him for JAC.... oh wait ?

And what makes that worse...

They wanted Talau.
The worst player in the comp.


Bellyache would have turned TT into a superstar.
The question is why can’t we improve our juniors the same way?

Remember the flick pass Simona did at Leichhardt to set up a try? He wasn't seen in first grade for some time after as Sheens had told him not to do it beforehand.

Fifita also got the boot for being too loose. Although Fifita has had a good career Sheens was right.

Perhaps this is the type of discipline our club needs.

Losing Fifita was one of the worst thing sheens did before he left - don't mind him being tough on players though but as we saw in today's game the players have a sook about it


Matt Groat is up there with one of the worst things he did. Kid was in waaaaay too early and was destroyed

Very true. Really did ruin him

doesn't fit the current sheens narrative though