Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[frullens]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.

 

[cochise]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.

And both unproven as NRL halves

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.

All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

 

[BAGNF05]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.

And both unproven as NRL halves

Have we arrived at a point where we just pick the 17 guys who will have a go and let them sort out the mechanics? Both AD and Brooks would be among the first picked IMO.

 

[Demps]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.

And both unproven as NRL halves

Can only be proven when given the chance to prove....

This is the way forward.

 

[frullens]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

 

[cochise]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.

And both unproven as NRL halves

Can only be proven when given the chance to prove....

This is the way forward.

He has been given the chance to prove and he didn't, I have nothing against giving him another shot at 6 but he isn't a 5/8th yet. To me he is still a centre that is trying to transition to 5/8th and had a lot of work to do in the position.

 

[Demps]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

AD >

I think some people are too afraid to admit Brooks has failed us for so long, no matter who's outside Jim in the halves.

AD should be 6 and captain and a 7 found suited to his game which could be Hastings.

 

[Demps]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.

And both unproven as NRL halves

Can only be proven when given the chance to prove....

This is the way forward.

He has been given the chance to prove and he didn't, I have nothing against giving him another shot at 6 but he isn't a 5/8th yet. To me he is still a centre that is trying to transition to 5/8th and had a lot of work to do in the position.

Disagree.

Your entitled to your opinion though.

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

***Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?***

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

This is the whole point. Mbye seems to have some sort of personality that upsets everyone here, but our backs and our attack was instantly better with Mbye at 6 than AD.

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

AD >

I think some people are too afraid to admit Brooks has failed us for so long, no matter who's outside Jim in the halves.

I think people who have already decided that Brooks is the problem have invented a narrative that Doueihi was moved from 6 because his "dominant" nature overplayed Brooks. Its a fabrication.

Doueihi was moved from 6 because he stagnates our attack and takes wrong options.

 

[hobbo1]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

Agree
He’d play his ring off for a few games then succumb to the inevitable ?

 

[BAGNF05]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

AD >

I think some people are too afraid to admit Brooks has failed us for so long, no matter who's outside Jim in the halves.


I think people who have already decided that Brooks is the problem have invented a narrative that Doueihi was moved from 6 because his "dominant" nature overplayed Brooks. Its a fabrication.

Doueihi was moved from 6 because he stagnates our attack and takes wrong options.

Got kick happy against Parra I think

 

[cochise]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is unable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

 

[BAGNF05]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

 

[Demps]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is unable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think Douihei has to overplay because his 7 is so average.

Has to always go for the hero play to win the game.

 

[Demps]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

AD >

I think some people are too afraid to admit Brooks has failed us for so long, no matter who's outside Jim in the halves.


I think people who have already decided that Brooks is the problem have invented a narrative that Doueihi was moved from 6 because his "dominant" nature overplayed Brooks. Its a fabrication.

Doueihi was moved from 6 because he stagnates our attack and takes wrong options.

Do you prefer Douihei at centre than 6?

 

[cochise]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

The issues I have with Doueihi at 6 is he has an incredibly awkward running style. He uses this awkward footwork at the line to break tackles but it also makes him difficult to run off as it is very difficult to time your run. He is ok when he plays before the line to the right but does not do this regularly enough. His passing game to the left is very poor and he is enable to move the ball quickly in that direction.

In the last 10 mins of a game I do want him getting his hands on the ball but at this stage I want us to be going to him at centre.

I still think he can transition to 6 but he needs to improve on the above and it is not a guarantee that he will succeed.

I think what you’re describing is a tendency to hesitate or second guess himself. Needs to back his first instinct in the halves which would come with time. Coach talk - Either run or pass, don’t half arse it.

No its not so much that, he has a very jinky running style when he engages the line, those types of guys are just difficult to run off.

 

[frullens]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

Don't be so certain....

I think they could be very dangerous if their defence is on point.

Way too slow

Myth.

It's not and I am still not convinced that Doueihi is a 5/8th anyway.

His best position is at 6...
The whole slow thing is a myth.

He's a good runner and could be a star at 6 if the coach didn't move him to cater to Brooks.
I believe it's the position he wants to play.

Having a confident 7 outside him like Hastings would allow him to shine.

These two would feed off each other like Walker and Reynolds.

I agree

I'm a supporter of Brooks, but think this team need a stronger leader at 7

Hastings and Douehi are both natural leaders.


All this leader/alpha/introvert/extrovert business is completely invented rubbish. A team doesnt need a leader/extrovert at 6 and 7, it needs a player that passes the ball to the right player at the right time and has the right players in the right positions.

Doueihi can be the best bloke and the best "leader" in the team, if he doesnt pass it to his centre or 2RF it doesnt matter.

Sorry I don't agree

Name one great half from history who lack confidence and didn't boss the team around

That's their job.

They pass it the the right player in the right position, because they have told that player where to be. Because they dictated the 3 plays before to set up the next play.

 

[Tiger5150]

All this talk about leadership ( Finucane) sounds like last year with Tamou.
Who is to say it wont turn out the same way.

I agree completely. Finucane was an honest plodder with the Dogs but is yet another example of the brilliance and influence of Craig Bellamy in transforming his limited skills into excellence.

But, we don't have Craig Bellamy or his Storm systems. There is no guarantee that Finucane would offer the WT what he does at the Storm, so why pay some inflated price for him?

That’s exactly my thoughts
**I’m not exactly against signing him,but he may be another Proctor,Glasby or Blair at another team.**

Yep it's why I'd also prefer Brandon Smith alongside of him. Not doubting his leadership skills at all but just trying to factor in how his age, our team needs and him coming from that system will vary from his current influence or input.
It wouldn't exactly matter to me if it wasn't a huge contract offer. But I feel we'd need to be getting game breakers for the price and length (of contract) though.

If it’s a possibility in any shape or form …. Throw all the $s on the “Cheese”, follow that up with Mr. Crichton and then and then any other player as a distant third.

Crichton has always topped my wishlist - him, Munster and Manu - and have always enjoyed watching B Smith play but especially moreso this year. Except last week of course.
Find he gives it his all, every game.

There's talk about getting Finucane specifically for leadership, in assisting Tamou, but our leadership group needs to be called out for failing with this too. Feel it's imperative for the group to help with our younger guys.
IIRC it's Doueihi, Brooks, Twal and Nofo in addition to the captain. Maybe we have named the wrong captain due to his limited capacity to lead at all times but there should be no problems with the rest of them. IMO it's probably the only area where Brooks warrants some criticism. (Though against the Eels he was very vocal). However, the last 2 games had nothing to do with his role for the team.

Leadership is the biggest issue

Madge talks about learning to wrestle back momentum in the ebbs and flows of the game. You wrestle back momentum with strong leaders.

Our 2020 leadership group:

Tamou is physically struggling to keep up. Heay be a eloquent talker but I don't see him barking out orders on the field.

Brooks is naturally quiet - getter better when going well, non existent when going gets tough

Twal is naturally quiet - grat worker but not a leader

Nofo - on the wing. Don't see him talking. Smirks a lot or looks for the camera. Don't see him as a team player.

Doeuhi is a true leader but has been moved to centre. Should be playing in the spine and take control.

Changes for 2021:
I think when Hastings comes, he is a barker and a natural leader, make him 7. With douehi at 6 and Brooks at 14. Time to make changes.

We need a strong alpha forward leader.
I'd be using the sheens and madge uk connections to find a big strong pommy. Similar to luke Thompson at bulldogs, Graham, Burgess

Hastings and Doueihi would be a terrible pairing.

They are both confident and talkers.

You look at our spine

Laurie - naturally quiet
Liddle - seems to lack self confidence
Brooks- naturally quiet
Mybe - naturally quiet & heart not in it.

At least a Hastings/ Doeuhi combo would be taking control of the team.

Speed can be put around them

Doueihi still needs to show he is a 5/8th.

I thought he was our best player when playing five-eighth

Yes I've heard that he plays better while the team play worse.

But I'd like to see him play with better quality outside men. And getting enough ball at centre.

Other option is:
Hastings 7
Brooks 6
Douehi 13

It's not about the team playing worse, he has shown his game is best at 5/8th. What he hasn't shown is he is capable of making the players around him better.

I still think Laurie's best games were Deouhi's last few games at 5/8

But if you are asking questions of players, you could do it for everyone.

Has Mybe constantly shown he make other players better? Has mybe shown desire abs leadership?

Has Brooks shown he can lead a team to the finals.

Let me ask you this:
If we are down by 10 against at top 4 team, from next year's squad, who do you want in the spine to take control and lead the team to victory?

AD >

I think some people are too afraid to admit Brooks has failed us for so long, no matter who's outside Jim in the halves.


I think people who have already decided that Brooks is the problem have invented a narrative that Doueihi was moved from 6 because his "dominant" nature overplayed Brooks. Its a fabrication.

Doueihi was moved from 6 because he stagnates our attack and takes wrong options.

Do you prefer Douihei at centre than 6?

Yes I do, not sure what will happen next year if Mbye is moved on.